please zos, remove the penalty for leaving dungeons

MalEducado

dungeons are not a competitive content like battlegrounds or another pvp activity... pls remove that... its freedom and legit to leave if you are not confortable in that dungeon lobby... pls zos

Flamebait

Won't happen, if they did you would have nothing but constant complaints about people queueing as a fake tank, then leaving the instant they get a dungeon they can't fake tank through. It would be a punishment to the remaining 3 people in the group then rather than the 1 that left.

deleted221106-002999

It used to be that way long ago but players just auto-quit and re-queued until they got a dungeon they wanted.

I imagine the servers got quite hot and bothered during peak queue times back then, not to mention some players.

MalEducado

i queue some times and my partners can kill a wolf add... but i have to be punishing for leaving?

caperb

Then don't queue for random vet

VaranisArano

It's to incentivize players to stick around when their random dungeon drops them in City of Ash 2 instead of Fungal Grotto 1. In general, its to encourage players to give their group a chance for 15 minutes. After that, they can drop with no penalty.

Maybe you wouldn't abuse it to skip out on harder dungeons, leaving groupmates holding the bag, but plenty of players would.

MalEducado wrote: »

i queue some times and my partners can kill a wolf add... but i have to be punishing for leaving?

Then don't use Groupfinder if you don't want to deal with teammates who aren't up to your standards. Make a premade group instead.

SeekerAssassin

MalEducado wrote: »

i queue some times and my partners can kill a wolf add... but i have to be punishing for leaving?

yes

lazywhiteseal

yesh yesh
remove the penalty so griefers can queue dungeon, leave, que dg, leave, q dg, leave over and over and over again to annoy other players who just want to do pugs.
dunno how you cant see why theres a penalty for this

QuebraRegra

MalEducado wrote: »

i queue some times and my partners can kill a wolf add... but i have to be punishing for leaving?

dat fake DPS.. always amazing.

Greasytengu

honestly, they should get rid of the bonus from the first random of the day, and just have the rewards drop from the first last boss you kill instead.

Groupfinder is wonkey, pugs can be a hassle, and sometimes you just dont have time or patience for a DLC dungeon.

kargen27

Been more than a few times I get in a group that doesn't want to try a DLC dungeon. I tell them if we quit we are getting a penalty we might as well go to the first boss then decide. Sometimes we decide nope not going to happen but most of the time we decide let's keep going.

Matchimus

No. Will be abused by players doing randoms & looking for quick dungeons.

PaddyVu

U wont have penalty if dungeon only 2 members left, 2 will be penalty, 2 will leave fine without penalty. The only way u wont get penalty when have more than 2 players is beg for kick

preevious

Certainly not.

You end up in a random you don't want? If you abandon your group, eat the penalty. (especially as a (fake) tank).
No matter their skill.

MalEducado

VaranisArano wrote: »

It's to incentivize players to stick around when their random dungeon drops them in City of Ash 2 instead of Fungal Grotto 1. In general, its to encourage players to give their group a chance for 15 minutes. After that, they can drop with no penalty.

Maybe you wouldn't abuse it to skip out on harder dungeons, leaving groupmates holding the bag, but plenty of players would.

MalEducado wrote: »

i queue some times and my partners can kill a wolf add... but i have to be punishing for leaving?

Then don't use Groupfinder if you don't want to deal with teammates who aren't up to your standards. Make a premade group instead.

i dont have friends, im lonely wolf

MalEducado

caperb wrote: »

Then don't queue for random vet

budy, i dont have friends, i play alone

orion_1981usub17_ESO

Dungeon quit timer is proper and bound to character. I can count the number of times I left a dungeon group on my fingers still. And on the blue moon that I get a group that can't progress, (I can solo most dungeons) I'm sure to offer my services in teaching how to actually play the game, rather than abandoning them to their ignorance. Only if they are then rude to me, and that is very rare but has happened, do I then quit.... and switch characters and requeue.

I can't fathom that absolute irresponsibility that would occur if the quit timer was removed. New comers would never have a chance as people would just dump them over and over again. Got a below 50 doing the actual dungeon quest, quit... got a lower than 810 in a random vet, quit. Of course this only logically works for people queueing as tanks and healers.

Lapin_Logic

MalEducado wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

Then don't queue for random vet

budy, i dont have friends, i play alone

Make Friends, join gulds, talk to people, add "nice players" you ran with in the LFG

The fix for "My PUG team sucks" is have an alternate build yourself or Vote to Kick or Log out and switch to an Alt

VaranisArano

Greasytengu wrote: »

honestly, they should get rid of the bonus from the first random of the day, and just have the rewards drop from the first last boss you kill instead.

Groupfinder is wonkey, pugs can be a hassle, and sometimes you just dont have time or patience for a DLC dungeon.

They do that for the Undaunted Event.

Guess what? Most players want to run Fungal Grotto 1 as fast as possible. They don't have the time or patience to do anything else.

The major point of incentivizing random dungeons is to backfill groups who chose particular dungeo s or who had a member drop out. Your suggestion would make it that much harder to fill groups in harder content, especially DLC dungeons.

VaranisArano

MalEducado wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

It's to incentivize players to stick around when their random dungeon drops them in City of Ash 2 instead of Fungal Grotto 1. In general, its to encourage players to give their group a chance for 15 minutes. After that, they can drop with no penalty.

Maybe you wouldn't abuse it to skip out on harder dungeons, leaving groupmates holding the bag, but plenty of players would.

MalEducado wrote: »

i queue some times and my partners can kill a wolf add... but i have to be punishing for leaving?

Then don't use Groupfinder if you don't want to deal with teammates who aren't up to your standards. Make a premade group instead.

i dont have friends, im lonely wolf

That doesn't justify removing the penalty for leaving groupfinder. It just means you've decided the major option for fixing your problem is off the table.

Best hope that the coming Companions do decent DPS, I guess?

ectoplasmicninja

I very rarely leave dungeons or kick people. I did recently leave a normal Falkreath Hold with 3 CP180ish players not because the DPS wasn't there but because their strategy was to sprint past literally everything, dying as they went, and fight whatever remained at the bosses. A valid method I suppose, but I'd rather just do it the regular way, so I gladly ate the ten minute penalty farming double drop nodes in Vvardenfell until I could queue again.

The dungeon finder queue is random. You know what you're getting into, by which I mean you have no idea what you're getting into. Speedrunners? Roleplayers? PvPers? Fungal Grotto I? Lair of Maarselok? That's the risk we all undertake if we want that XP chunk and our ten transmute crystals. For the most part I think it's fair to have to deal with the random elements for the reward, and so I think the penalty is fair. Otherwise, group with guildmates or grab a low level player from zone, and assure a quick easy run.

Eedat

Then don't use the feature. When I queue for random norms, I am prepared to carry three level 20s with no tank or healer. Anything better than that is a bonus. I will never use random queue on my tank or healer because I don't want to sit through a dungeon with 15k combined dps. If you're queueing for random vets, don't lol. Organize your own group to farm vet dungeons.

AlnilamE

MalEducado wrote: »

i queue some times and my partners can kill a wolf add... but i have to be punishing for leaving?

Give them 15 minutes in the dungeon, or wait 15 minutes out of the dungeon. It's not like the penalty is you can't queue again for the rest of the day.

In the random queue, you are signing up to be a mercenary sword that helps a group achieve their goal. Hold up your end of the bargain or pay the "early release fee".

SeekerAssassin

AlnilamE wrote: »

It's not like the penalty is you can't queue again for the rest of the day.

maybe this should be a thing

thorwyn

Bad idea. There is a reason why this penalty exists. Removing the penalty would open a pandora's box for griefplay and trolls.

Viewsfrom6ix

@MalEducado

If you're on PC/NA, I'll be your friend.

zaria

MalEducado wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

Then don't queue for random vet

budy, i dont have friends, i play alone

Then do named pledge dungeons and an random normal for the XP and transmute.
At pledge you tend to get much better groups this includes DLC both in normal and vet.