A New Vivec City Home Suggestion: Saint Olms Canal House

Vehlir

You may know me from my other Housing Thread, where I highlighted several areas of underutilized potential. That thread takes a larger, more broader approach. This thread I aimed to be geared as a more focused, straightforward and specific suggestion.

As someone who always fantasized about living in Vivec City growing up playing TES3, and then fell in love all over again when ESO's interpretation of the Holy city was released in 2017, Vivec has LONG been on my radar. The striking tile work, the sculpted artwork adorning the walls and the unique designs seen Vivec shown off in a whole new, modernized light. Outside of the aesthetics, Vivec City also remains one of the most popular player hubs in the entire game with it's Crafting & Guild Trader setups, making it a highly desirable locale for practicality's sake as well.

Unfortunately however, anyone wishing to live here is limited to the extremely restrictive "St Delyn Penthouse". Not only just being a small room, it is burdened by being an "Inn" type home, restricting the location to only 30 furnishings.

The concept behind "Inn" room homes is that they are Starter homes. Meant & designed to be small to allow players a place to grow and eventually move on into bigger homes. Something that is displayed in Alinor's "Golden Gryphon Garret" and then the following Alinor's "Alinor Crest Townhouse. Also displayed in Solitude's "Snowmelt Suite" & then advancing to Solitude's "Proudspire Manor". And once more with Rimmen's "Sugar Bowl Suite" & then Rimmen's "Hall of the Lunar Champion".

However the flaw with this concept & "St Delyn Penthouse" is that there is currently ZERO alternatives in the Vivec City style to ascend into. If you love the unique style not seen anywhere else in Tamriel, you are currently forced to remain in these very limited "Inn" type homes or just give up on the style altogether.

This is one of the main goals of the home. Providing a bigger, but not exceedingly large, alternative for Vivec and it's incredibly unique style of architecture. One that fits well with the established lore of the location & also continues the pattern held consistently with the rest of the Chapters.

Summary & Floorplan of Saint Olms Canal House

It's a Small-Medium sized home (something that is heavily requested more & more in the Housing Community) located in the St. Olms Canton, Canalworks Level on the Southern Outdoor terrace. HERE is my proposed Entrance to the home. Consistent with lore of the city as these exact doors do lead to homes in Canalworks level of St. Olms Canton as displayed in TES 3. I chose this one in particular due to it's ease of access for players not needing to navigate the inner hallways of Vivec's cantons and it's direct proximity to the Temple District, it's Wayshrine and the Zone Daily Quester Givers it houses.

Like my other thread this suggestions utilizes an already existing, but currently not functional locked door that is currently in the game & serves zero purpose. However the good thing about Vivec City is that it doesn't have to be THIS particular door. There are currently 20+ similarly unused doors in the city, with by my count 4 just like this on the same outdoor terraces in the St Olms Canton alone. So there is plenty of options. The Waistworks of St Olms one level up also could work as in lore those doors also contained a plethora of small homes which extends the available unused doors to 8.

The interior also utilizes assets and room layouts that are currently in the game and taken from the In-Game map, and pieced together.

The idea for the interior was to provide a simple layout that has defined, separated rooms of versatile shape and size. So that players can have defined purpose for each room, but also so that players can block off a room easily if they wish too. It's a small 3 room design so it's not massive or complex by any means but just enough to execute a decent variety of ideas.

Obviously I wouldn't care at all if the layout/entrances differs massively or uses totally different rooms & pieces this is just the type of layout I felt 1) Fits well for the type of Small home that could be found here 2) Makes good usage of small space still allowing for defined purposes to each room. But ultimately if ANY larger house were added to Vivec City I'd be beyond ecstatic!


I hope you guys enjoyed this suggestion and would love to hear any feedback, questions, concerns or any ideas you have to expand or improve the idea! Hopefully if there is enough interest something like this can find it's way into the game eventually!

TheImperfect

I like the idea a lot but have a couple of additional ideas. The home could be deeper under the canton and have access to the underground water, but still be done in the same style, could add some fun to it.
It could also have an epic view if it was higher in the canton with windows or a balcony that looked out, not sure how easy to implement that would be but a view of Vivecs Palace would be fun.
I really think your idea is well presented though.

Spawniaq

i was thinking about that yesterday, i was in the appartment there and it would be great to see a big version of that

Adremal

Wonderful idea, the only thing I would've added as a suggestion has already been proposed:

TheImperfect wrote: »

I like the idea a lot but have a couple of additional ideas. The home could be deeper under the canton and have access to the underground water, but still be done in the same style, could add some fun to it.

bluebird

That's a fabulous idea! I've always been sad that we didn't get enough houses to show off the wonderful architectural diversity of Morrowind! I also like how your example points out already existing example rooms of the style in game that could be taken from their existing assets, I'm sure devs appreciate that too!

The Vivec Canton style has such potential, it has gorgeous nowhere-else-seen mosaics, pleasant corridors and room arrangements, and unique features like the round Skylights that filter light down from above with intricate shadows. I really wish a Vivec style house would include this part which I think it's gorgeous:

Vehlir

TheImperfect wrote: »

I like the idea a lot but have a couple of additional ideas. The home could be deeper under the canton and have access to the underground water, but still be done in the same style, could add some fun to it.
It could also have an epic view if it was higher in the canton with windows or a balcony that looked out, not sure how easy to implement that would be but a view of Vivecs Palace would be fun.
I really think your idea is well presented though.

Cool idea as well! The Underworks were an actual level underneath the Canalworks level in TES3 and was popular with vagrants and thieves and those sort of characters (A proper thieves hideout is also something else that has been requested alot).

Cool thing about the design is that technically instead of having the stairs go up to a second floor, just have them go down instead and have that room have a little door leading into them if they wanted to go this route.

I tried to keep my suggestion relatively simple as avoid asking for too much. However I certainly wouldn't complain if they did. I just want a bigger home in Vivec City any means necessary 😅

TheImperfect wrote: »

It could also have an epic view if it was higher in the canton.

Yeah this could fit just as well, I agree and somewhat mentioned it in the thread. Realistically the level above, the Waistworks, has the same exact type of doors on the Waistworks terrace that also lead to homes in TES3 and could easily work just as well. Combined between the Canalworks & Waistworks levels there is a total of 8 possible doors in the Saint Olms canton that could work.

Keagle

I think Zenimax can really capitalize the housing in game by adding more specific housing designs like this. Like Vehlir said there is a lot of unused space in the game that could be filled out. I would love to see this in game, and I hope Zenimax sees this!

Vehlir

Keagle wrote: »

I think Zenimax can really capitalize the housing in game by adding more specific housing designs like this. Like Vehlir said there is a lot of unused space in the game that could be filled out. I would love to see this in game, and I hope Zenimax sees this!

Hey man, long time no see! And you and me both, fingers crossed!

bluebird wrote: »

That's a fabulous idea! I've always been sad that we didn't get enough houses to show off the wonderful architectural diversity of Morrowind! I also like how your example points out already existing example rooms of the style in game that could be taken from their existing assets, I'm sure devs appreciate that too!

The Vivec Canton style has such potential, it has gorgeous nowhere-else-seen mosaics, pleasant corridors and room arrangements, and unique features like the round Skylights that filter light down from above with intricate shadows. I really wish a Vivec style house would include this part which I think it's gorgeous:

Hey blue! Might as well finally give you that response now that you're back! I agree in that I absolutely love this feature as well. This specific one might be a little tricky to implement given how large it is but perhaps they can make a smaller version? It could also work nicely if it was a furnishing!

bluebird

Vehlir wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

That's a fabulous idea! I've always been sad that we didn't get enough houses to show off the wonderful architectural diversity of Morrowind! I also like how your example points out already existing example rooms of the style in game that could be taken from their existing assets, I'm sure devs appreciate that too!

The Vivec Canton style has such potential, it has gorgeous nowhere-else-seen mosaics, pleasant corridors and room arrangements, and unique features like the round Skylights that filter light down from above with intricate shadows. I really wish a Vivec style house would include this part which I think it's gorgeous:

This specific one might be a little tricky to implement given how large it is but perhaps they can make a smaller version? It could also work nicely if it was a furnishing!

Oh yeah, totally! It's a pretty large room, so they would have to block off most entrances/exits there and just include the ceiling. Maybe this room could be the entry / vestibule which leads to your 3-smaller-roomed apartment?

And yeah agree, it would be cool if it was a furnishing (even in a downscaled version)! The Vivec furniture pack included some fun mosaic pieces, but no lights. This skylight could look spectacular in many homes! Plus they've been adding furniture with intricate shadows recently (e.g. Reach chandelier, Ayleid chandelier), so they are technically capable of doing so!

Vehlir

bluebird wrote: »

Oh yeah, totally! It's a pretty large room, so they would have to block off most entrances/exits there and just include the ceiling. Maybe this room could be the entry / vestibule which leads to your 3-smaller-roomed apartment?

And yeah agree, it would be cool if it was a furnishing (even in a downscaled version)! The Vivec furniture pack included some fun mosaic pieces, but no lights. This skylight could look spectacular in many homes! Plus they've been adding furniture with intricate shadows recently (e.g. Reach chandelier, Ayleid chandelier), so they are technically capable of doing so!

Ah yeah I remember your post on the items giving intricate shadows, I definitely enjoy those as well. Really adds a great ambiance for sure. More additions always welcome anyway we can ge them!

And yeah I love the Vivec pack! The "Seal of Vivec" fits perfectly & matches the tilework on the Cantons. I'd love to make a little prayer/ancestral area with those pieces in a larger Vivec home.

MornaBaine

Oh if only! I would SO love to see a well thought out home in this style!

maximusrex45

Vehlir wrote: »

Unfortunately however, anyone wishing to live here is limited to the extremely restrictive "St Delyn Penthouse". Not only just being a small room, it is burdened by being an "Inn" type home, restricting the location to only 30 furnishings.

As an aside, I don't know who decided that certain type homes have to have these preset limits, instead of scaling limits to the size of the home. 30 worked for me in the Rosy Lion Inn, but I was just starting to put some detail into St. Delyn and hit the cap. It really should be 40-50 because it is bigger than the average Inn room.

I like your ideas for a bigger Vivec home, but at the same time I have mixed feelings about having a free Inn Room home and a paid home in the same city, it feels like a waste to have 2 homes in the same place. It might have been nicer to have an Inn room in Balmora, and a medium home in Vivec. Certainly the Inn Room in Leyawiin has dampened my desire for Water's Edge.

Vehlir

maximusrex45 wrote: »

As an aside, I don't know who decided that certain type homes have to have these preset limits, instead of scaling limits to the size of the home. 30 worked for me in the Rosy Lion Inn, but I was just starting to put some detail into St. Delyn and hit the cap. It really should be 40-50 because it is bigger than the average Inn room.

I agree. I totally get it if the overall cap of 700 cant be increased, but I really wish they would raise up the smaller homes a bit. Even doubling the Inn rooms to 60 would go a LONG way!

maximusrex45 wrote: »

I like your ideas for a bigger Vivec home, but at the same time I have mixed feelings about having a free Inn Room home and a paid home in the same city, it feels like a waste to have 2 homes in the same place.

Well as I mentioned its the trend right now for all of there Chapters, as Zenimax has done that very thing for every chapter so far.

Alinor's "Golden Gryphon Garret" and then the following Alinor's "Alinor Crest Townhouse. Also displayed in Solitude's "Snowmelt Suite" & then advancing to Solitude's "Proudspire Manor". And once more with Rimmen's "Sugar Bowl Suite" & then Rimmen's "Hall of the Lunar Champion"." And now ofc again with Leyawin.

So for me it's just keeping consistent with that trend but also giving us something actually expansive in that style. Now in a perfect world we got House styles for both Inn Rooms & Actual homes in ALL of the styles and cities. I am also a big fan of Balmora receiving a new home. I even laid out some routes they could go to do just that in another thread of mine actually:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/405136/the-great-vvardenfell-housing-renewal-proposal-of-2e-582/p1


However at least Amaya Lake Lodge has the Balmora style. For Vivec City's unique style, the small Inn room is the ONLY thing in that template.

hashii

When I first joined ESO, all I did was admire the architecture and the sights of places I have never been to. I just stuck to Vvardenfell and travelled everywhere.

This place was my most favorite. I love the vvardenfell music + this architecture.

Looking back now, I would love a notable house in this similar style.

MornaBaine

I want a St Deyln's actual HOUSE so much! Something on the scale of the Amaya Lake Lodge but...in the St Deyln's style! Make it so ZOS!

NotaDaedraWorshipper

It's disappointing they rarely gives us houses between inn rooms and noteable in size, especially the medium ones. More so inside big cities, like Vivec, Orsinium, Abah's Landing etc.

The Vivec architectural style is so nice too, and there are lots of unused doors that could be turned into some house.

netch_a_sketch

Endorsed! You put a lot of thought into this and it's a great idea.

Vehlir

Jazzius wrote: »

Endorsed! You put a lot of thought into this and it's a great idea.

Thank you!

MornaBaine wrote: »

I want a St Deyln's actual HOUSE so much! Something on the scale of the Amaya Lake Lodge but...in the St Deyln's style! Make it so ZOS!

It might be difficult to go that large given the physical constraints of the Cantons, but I'll take anything we can get as long as it's bigger then St Delyns 😅. Anything bigger then my idea here would be icing on the cake haha

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

It's disappointing they rarely gives us houses between inn rooms and noteable in size, especially the medium ones.

Yeah it's definitely a bit of an under focused section of homes right now. Especially a bit irritating because with ESO's furnishing restrictions, Medium sized homes tend to be right in that sweet spot of not being too big to properly furnish with the caps Furniture Caps, but not too small to be restrictive. Who knows, Fingers crossed!

Cloudtrader

I would love this.

MornaBaine

Vehlir wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I want a St Deyln's actual HOUSE so much! Something on the scale of the Amaya Lake Lodge but...in the St Deyln's style! Make it so ZOS!

It might be difficult to go that large given the physical constraints of the Cantons, but I'll take anything we can get as long as it's bigger then St Delyns 😅. Anything bigger then my idea here would be icing on the cake haha

g too big to properly furnish with the caps Furniture Caps, but not too small to be restrictive. Who knows, Fingers crossed!

I just really want something in this style in the 12 player/600 furnishing cap area. It's so beautiful I can't even believe they didn't exploit it. It would have sold like mad!

Vehlir

MornaBaine wrote: »

I just really want something in this style in the 12 player/600 furnishing cap area. It's so beautiful I can't even believe they didn't exploit it. It would have sold like mad!

LOL true!

Would be interesting to see with a lot of the theories out atm that they focus heavily on bigger homes for the usually associated inflated price justification.

Personally, and this might sound irresponsible as a consumer, I can admit I would spend an unhealthy amount of money on it if they ever released this 😅😅