If proc sets make it back...

Ahk1lleez

If proc sets make it back should each class have an ability reworked to include reflecting projectiles?

As this wouldn't affect melee proc builds, if proc sets make it back should the sets that proc from melee attacks be toned down in terms of damage through battle spirit?

SshadowSscale

No to both and explain your position

Lol I agree process sets should be addressed as they are way over performing but giving everyone a reflect ability would just screw magicka players over even more than elder stamina/dizzy swing online is already doing

Araneae6537

No to both and explain your position

What have projectiles to do with proc sets? At least none of the obnoxious proc sets have projectiles that I can recall... Regardless, I want to battle other players, not their **** armor.

Armor should work with and augment a player’s abilities, not do any significant free damage for them. I don’t see any need to do that with Battle Spirit, just fix the OP sets.

Dr_Ganknstein

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No to both, I think certain sets (not just damage proc sets) are over performing and should be adjusted.

Ahk1lleez

My line of thinking here is that toning down the damage through battle spirit would not affect the sets in PvE gameplay. I mean, they aren't META anyway, but you wouldn't get the PvE crowd complaining about nerfs due to their performance in PvP.

As it was before the Cyrodiil test, a lot of the worst offending sets have conditions which allow them to be set off from range without the risk of being in melee range. There needs to be a counter in my opinion, and simply slotting purge is not a counter.

I regret calling for Wings to lose their reflecting capability. I still fondly recall bouncing meteors between DK's. Meteor being determined to be a projectile is another debate entirely I guess.

I'm just trying to think of ways to bring things in line while keeping everyone happy while also improving pvp balance.

As for mag players being unfairly nerfed, there are ways around this. For example make one of the force shock morphs unreflectable among other things.

DT-ARR

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I think proc sets need to be broken down into 2 categories: direct damage and buff sets.

Direct damage proc sets should stay as is...BUT should be limited to wearing 1 per character, similar to mythics. This would include monster sets as well.

Speaking of mythics - malacath needs to also be changed to not buff proc set / monster set damage.

erio

Not all proc sets are bad
Not all of us want to play with pure statsticks all day.
Sure free damage sets like venomous mite or cheese defense sets like crimson should go, but to remove all non statstick gear is silly and pretty remove removes the purpose of the rest of the game outside of pvp.
Ill gladly take a more fun pvp system over a purely "stat stick = skill based" pvp system.

DT-ARR

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Lol where’d you come up with the term stat stick....? Would proc *** then be a an accurate way to describe your style of play by comparison? All you need to do is to press one button to make it go off. Fun but immature if you ask me..

In all seriousness though the reality is that proc sets in combination with malacath and HA stacking health builds are dominating the current meta because the are the antithesis of balance. There is no sacrifice needed whatsoever on behalf of the player You get max survivability and equal damage as a max stat build with no downside.

I dont see how its controversial to say that this is wildly unbalanced.

Ryuvain

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Reflect only murders magicka players, again. 90% of players are already stam 2-handers.

Armor should've been only defensive or passive effects that are visible instead of random invisible damage.

Sahidom

I'd humor a martial damage reflect skill.

finehair

If proc sets come back, they should remove them again.
They are unbalanced as a very unbalanced thing and their very existence is a stain to pvp.

Vermintide

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The problem isn't actually proc sets, the problem is how everything in the game is tuned around CP (and the endless power creep it gives), and the underlying balance that means a lot of builds are weak without them, while others who are already strong over-perform.

Good luck playing a magblade these days without Zaan to lean on, for example- A set many would call OP, but frankly it's the only reason you can still get kills on that class. Meanwhile I recently got my Necro to 50, and I've been walking around killing people by accident in my crafted PVE gear. I can only imagine the horror he'd be if I put some research into his build.

Jayserix

Yes to one and explain your position

Yes to make sure proc dmg is scaled based on a combination of max stat+weapon/spell damage

The reflect is a terrible idea

Dr_Ganknstein

No to both and explain your position

If a proc set does high damage it should be harder to set the proc off. Same goes for defensive procs. Also engine guardian needs to be looked at. For as frequently as it procs it should either not be targetable or die a lot faster.

Vevvev

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I'm for class identity over everyone getting the same stuff. Technically every class does have a reflect thanks to the sword and shield line if you're willing to use it.

Sangwyne

Wait, why would you suggest that only procs from melee attacks should be nerfed in damage? Aren't ranged procs way more obnoxious to deal with? And why grant every class the ability to reflect projectiles when that falls under the purview of one of the last remaining abilities iconic to Dragonknight? Man, the class is already a shell of its former self, at this point you might as well just take its entire class identity apart and spoon feed it to the other classes. From a mighty warrior leaping from the heavens to rain fire and death upon his foes, now more like a dude that can grow spikes from his back and cough pretty well. How the mighty have fallen.

NoSoup

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I just don't see Proc sets as an issue, players will always be able to find some sort of toxic build to steamroll/troll other players.

Even now with the Proc Test on PC there are plenty of unkillable players running around that need to be zerg'd down to kill yet still somehow manage to do redic damage....

GRXRG

They just need to do the same they did to the DoT meta years ago.
Nerf all proc damaging set by 75% and they are balanced.
So they give you a little extra damage to help you, but not the carry damage they offer now for simply doing nothing.

Or as some people stated, a minor damage nerf, but a global cooldown on procs so only 1 proc effect can be triggered in a window of 10 seconds.

vesselwiththepestle

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ROFL

No no no. Sorcs and Magblades cried to hard, so DK lost their reflect. Yeah, I am still salty about that.

Anyhow, do you know, every class can already slot a reflect against projectiles? It's part of the SnB skill line.

TwinLamps

DK had reflect but zos removed it...
Saddest day in ESO

Brrrofski

No to both and explain your position

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Lol I agree process sets should be addressed as they are way over performing but giving everyone a reflect ability would just screw magicka players over even more than elder stamina/dizzy swing online is already doing

Especially magblade.

If you came across a mag DK while you were on a magblade back back in the day, you couldn't do a thing against them.

relentless_turnip

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NoSoup wrote: »

I just don't see Proc sets as an issue, players will always be able to find some sort of toxic build to steamroll/troll other players.

Even now with the Proc Test on PC there are plenty of unkillable players running around that need to be zerg'd down to kill yet still somehow manage to do redic damage....

We call those guys wardens... 🤭

Anyron

No to both and explain your position

1.some proc sets are fine, but damage proc sets shouldnt exist in pvp at all

2. long live 40k health stamdens, hitting like truck, invulnerable from range. great idea

while we are at it, why just dont make all ranged attack cost 200% more and always miss?
go on, just keep spamming your dizzy

etchedpixels

No to both and explain your position

Proc sets need counters not nerfing or pvp changing. Let people negate proc sets, make damage reflection abilities that work against proc sets etc. Do that and it becomes a strategy and tactical part of the gameplay.

Daemonai

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Wings is gone and never coming back. Let it go, LOL