Ice staff taunt is most def needed

linuxlady

tsaescishoeshiner

I don't know why there's a taunt on Frost Clench when there's already Inner Rage

linuxlady

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tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I don't know why there's a taunt on Frost Clench when there's already Inner Rage

whats a frost clench? googled it. dont like frost clench. HA taunt is what i want

madman65

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It is the morph of Destructive Touch, Frost Clench immobilizes the enemy. As far as I know it does not taunt, as for the subject I really hope ESO doesn`t make the staff taunt again.

linuxlady

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madman65 wrote: »

It is the morph of Destructive Touch, Frost Clench immobilizes the enemy. As far as I know it does not taunt, as for the subject I really hope ESO doesn`t make the staff taunt again.

i used it for magica build tank. now it's not so good i have to give up a slot for a taunt that could be used for something else. boring stamina tanking is dull really... everyone does THAT

QuebraRegra

didn't everyone complain when the frost staff taunted?

AcadianPaladin

Some hated the frost staff heavy attack taunt; others (like me), loved the flexibility on my magwarden. . . sometimes it is just easier to grab the boss by the nose and hold him than trying to heal squishies running from an angry WB. But it is not worth slotting a skill to have that sometimes handy taunt. Never had a problem (ever) unintentionally taunting.

What most can agree with however, is that the frost clench skill taunt from an ice staff is inferior in all ways to the undaunted inner fire taunt.

B0SSzombie

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God no. Never make Heavy Attacks with an Ice Staff Taunt ever again.

Nothing like being a Tank in a Dungeon or Trial and some lunatic DPS using an Ice Staff Heavy Attacks the boss and it insta-kills them then goes on to sweep the group because I lost the aggro.

Never again. Inner Rage is perfect for Staff Taunting (and even Bow, for those niche Tank Builds), plain and simple.

madman65

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linuxlady: get the Caller of the Void shield and sword, you will love it. I got it, gamers see me use that item and start asking about it during the pledges and randoms. Really easy to get from Vateshrane arena, one hit and you pull several in.
If you want to go further with the shield and sword then also equip Swarm Mother.

WhereArtThouVampires

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linuxlady wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I don't know why there's a taunt on Frost Clench when there's already Inner Rage

whats a frost clench? googled it. dont like frost clench. HA taunt is what i want

But HA taunt isn't what everyone else wants.

B0SSzombie

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madman65 wrote: »

linuxlady: get the Caller of the Void shield and sword, you will love it. I got it, gamers see me use that item and start asking about it during the pledges and randoms. Really easy to get from Vateshrane arena, one hit and you pull several in.
If you want to go further with the shield and sword then also equip Swarm Mother.

I think you mean the Void Bash Set. That's the one that drops in Vateshran.

Caller of the Void/Voidcaller is an entirely different set from Markarth Overland.

madman65

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Your correct, sorry everyone for the wrong info. Just couldn`t remember the set.

Grandchamp1989

Ice staff is my prefered staff but not because of the taunt.
IMO it was made worse than the heavy attack version of the previous version..

I prefer ice staff because..
It got same block mitigation as Sword&Board so I got the same security when I'm on my backbar.
When damage is really low I can alternate between blocking with stamina and magicka
I can give myself an extra damage shield of 25% of max health

Wall and Taunt was for the ice staff made worse IMO with the latest version..
But that's the deal with PvE tanks, our kit gets watered down.

First Ice staff, then Major and minor buffs and now again.. But I digress.

Goregrinder

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I don't know why there's a taunt on Frost Clench when there's already Inner Rage

Because options probably. Inner Rage isn't affected by Destro staff passives, but a Frost taunt would be.

starkerealm

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As a tank, I hated the ice staff's heavy attack taunt.

In vet content, it was basically a non-option. Trying to put taunt on a target, when it would take a full second to charge and fire was just... ugh. Especially given Inner Fire was a thing.

No, as a tank, I hated the ice staff's heavy attack taunt, because there was always some DPS pulling taunt in the dungeon finder. If they were durable enough to soak the incoming hits, great... but they weren't. And then I'd need to peel their carcass off the walls, because the boss decided to turn them into pasta sauce.

You'd have a player who was using destruction staves, didn't understand that the ice staff was very different from the fire and lightning ones, swap over to a new shiny, and then blame the tank when they'd unwittingly slotted a taunt.

Yeah, screw that entire mess.

linuxlady

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starkerealm wrote: »

As a tank, I hated the ice staff's heavy attack taunt.

In vet content, it was basically a non-option. Trying to put taunt on a target, when it would take a full second to charge and fire was just... ugh. Especially given Inner Fire was a thing.

No, as a tank, I hated the ice staff's heavy attack taunt, because there was always some DPS pulling taunt in the dungeon finder. If they were durable enough to soak the incoming hits, great... but they weren't. And then I'd need to peel their carcass off the walls, because the boss decided to turn them into pasta sauce.

You'd have a player who was using destruction staves, didn't understand that the ice staff was very different from the fire and lightning ones, swap over to a new shiny, and then blame the tank when they'd unwittingly slotted a taunt.

Yeah, screw that entire mess.

they could easily add a seperate passive and label it TAUNT... i love the windup. it requires skill to use unlike inner fire which is just for the unskilled really.

B0SSzombie

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linuxlady wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

As a tank, I hated the ice staff's heavy attack taunt.

In vet content, it was basically a non-option. Trying to put taunt on a target, when it would take a full second to charge and fire was just... ugh. Especially given Inner Fire was a thing.

No, as a tank, I hated the ice staff's heavy attack taunt, because there was always some DPS pulling taunt in the dungeon finder. If they were durable enough to soak the incoming hits, great... but they weren't. And then I'd need to peel their carcass off the walls, because the boss decided to turn them into pasta sauce.

You'd have a player who was using destruction staves, didn't understand that the ice staff was very different from the fire and lightning ones, swap over to a new shiny, and then blame the tank when they'd unwittingly slotted a taunt.

Yeah, screw that entire mess.

they could easily add a seperate passive and label it TAUNT... i love the windup. it requires skill to use unlike inner fire which is just for the unskilled really.

"Hold down one button while Big thing kills your team" isn't exactly skill either, my good chum.

Konstant_Tel_Necris

is there really another option to this?

Inner Rage better, as it add synergy for team.

Araneae6537

NO

Snowstrider

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I say no but if you mean a AoE taunt yes

Ratzkifal

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Personally I don't think Ice staves should have a taunt at all. Not on skills and not on heavy attacks. Inner Fire is certainly enough. The only change it could use is that it applies Major Fracture and Breach so it is equal to the melee taunt in that regard.

A staff for tanking should be an Alteration staff. That would fit thematically and doesn't need any new assets like a spear would.

El_Borracho

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LOL. For years people begged to lose the taunt so ice could be a viable DPS skill. Now people want it back despite the assortment of taunts available to tanks. What tank is not using Pierce Armor? Answer: One I don't want to run with.

Hapexamendios

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No, I like being able to play with an ice warden and being able to take all the passives. Besides as many people have pointed out: INNER FIRE

ccfeeling

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Inner fire win everything.

Ice blockade provide group projective ice shield?
Who genius do it?

itscompton

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I loved having the taunt on the HA's as I was already doing them for the shield on my tank so it was an easy 2 for 1.

Athan1

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Why are we even running in circles? MMOs tire me...

linuxlady

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Athan1 wrote: »

Why are we even running in circles? MMOs tire me...

MMOS most def run people in circles

coop500

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I had no idea it's gone... this is kinda sad because I was building a tank that was S&B and ice staff.

coop500

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On the flipside, since everyone seems to hate it so much, it would be nice if it was it's own passive far down the tree that grants NOTHING but the taunt. So if people put a point in it, it means A: They can't read and nothing will save them or B: They actually want it.

linuxlady

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coop500 wrote: »

I had no idea it's gone... this is kinda sad because I was building a tank that was S&B and ice staff.

no free ice staff taunt for you!

I loved not having to slot inner rage on my ice staff build.

i tank with two staves.... one was lightning staff with crowd control for mobs other was ice staff with taunt for bosses. worked great with sorc. very fun. put matriarch on last slot of each for great healing.

not now fun anymore. boo

Ratzkifal

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coop500 wrote: »

On the flipside, since everyone seems to hate it so much, it would be nice if it was it's own passive far down the tree that grants NOTHING but the taunt. So if people put a point in it, it means A: They can't read and nothing will save them or B: They actually want it.

coop500 wrote: »

I had no idea it's gone... this is kinda sad because I was building a tank that was S&B and ice staff.

@coop500 The taunt is still there. It's on Frost Clench now. OP just doesn't like it for some reason.