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Please keep procs out of PvP even if the test doesn't satisfy!!!
Nyladreas
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I've not had this much fun in PvP for years. This finally feels amazing and I can't stop playing!! My partner has to physically pull me off from my chair in order to receive any attention 😁😁
Skill finally shows and all fights feel fair and satisfying! It's no longer a game that makes me mad and sad, just reflect on what I could've done better. I don't even care I can't theory craft as much (which was honestly loads of fun), this is just great!
Now I only wish BGs would get the same treatment 😢
I can't thank you enough for this Zenimax! Do the right thing after it's over!
PS: Nearly 0 lag for me so far, and I really can't stress this enough! I have no idea how somebody can say there's no improvement at all, my game has been smooth and no big delays occurred. Perhaps we should address ball groups next? 😊
Edited by Nyladreas on February 15, 2021 11:39PM Skill finally shows and all fights feel fair and satisfying! It's no longer a game that makes me mad and sad, just reflect on what I could've done better. I don't even care I can't theory craft as much (which was honestly loads of fun), this is just great!
Now I only wish BGs would get the same treatment 😢
I can't thank you enough for this Zenimax! Do the right thing after it's over!
PS: Nearly 0 lag for me so far, and I really can't stress this enough! I have no idea how somebody can say there's no improvement at all, my game has been smooth and no big delays occurred. Perhaps we should address ball groups next? 😊
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lolo_01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭And if you remove all skills from the players and only let them do light attacks, you'd improve the server performance even more.
Honestly, I hope this helps them find issues with the server so they can bring back some more sets. I mean, what's so bad about sets like seducer, nma, kagrenac, btb, ... that they have to be banned from pvp?9 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »And if you remove all skills from the players and only let them do light attacks, you'd improve the server performance even more.
Honestly, I hope this helps them find issues with the server so they can bring back some more sets. I mean, what's so bad about sets like seducer, nma, kagrenac, btb, ... that they have to be banned from pvp?
Don't get me wrong here... As far as flat increase/decrease sets go that's still totally fine with me. I would expect them to bring those back if the test doesn't give positive results. Those barely affect skilled gameplay apart from theorycrafting knowledge.
They're just trying to remove all calculations at the moment to see the impact. On the other hand though, if performance stays as good as it is now, I'll only support removing those sets for good. Sorry. Performance > all else.Edited by Nyladreas on February 15, 2021 11:52PM7 -
AinSoph✭✭✭✭✭If anything, this test proves that ZOS has a skewed perception of what a proc is since they think any set that has to check their conditions constantly is a proc. To quote someone "NMA has to check if your ability is an ability."11 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If anything, this test proves that ZOS has a skewed perception of what a proc is since they think any set that has to check their conditions constantly is a proc. To quote someone "NMA has to check if your ability is an ability."
Like I said they're likely just turning off ALL calculations to see the best possible result.4 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭no thank you.
i enjoy and need the sets i use.
according to the list i was told specifically they are considered proc sets.
Hawk's Eye
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Reduces the cost and increases the damage of your Bow abilities by 6%.
and
Mighty Chudan
(1 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(2 items) Gain Major Ward and Major Resolve at all times, increasing your Physical and Spell Resistance by 5280.
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
has zero negative effect on anything (hurts none) and ive used those sets for years.
just cause "you" and a small (Very Small) group of people dont like proc sets is no reason to destroy other people freedom.18 -
Pattceht✭✭✭Can the guys responding so negatively relax a little. OP has already explained what they're doing, I expect the sets you have mentioned will make a return in the future, however if these sets *** up the performance because of their spaggheti code then I guess we won't be using them. Hopefully we'll be supplied with suitable replacements but for now please calm your negativity. Don't you want to see a decrease in lag?15
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Pattceht✭✭✭Your previous comment wasn't really negative just ***. You picked 2 sets that aren't really procc sets but zos has decided are. We don't know what will happen in the future but if they decide to remove these sets I'd be surprised if we didn't have some sort of replacement. Also don't cherry pick.3
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erio✭✭✭✭✭Hitting like a wet noodle isnt as fun imo. No crimson is a plus. I didnt notice a change in performance2
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SOLDIER_1stClass✭✭✭✭Certain procs not all.
Sets that require no input for free damage or heals like Crimson, Zaan, Venomous, Ember Shield, unfathomable darkness, Mad Tinkered, Sloads, Caluurions Legacy, choke thorn, Grothdar need to be removed from pvp.
Procs like EssenceThief, Briarheart, Bone pirate, Bright Throat, Eternal Vigor, Balorgh, grundwolf, Iceheart, Chudan can stay. As there is no passive damage damage.4 -
JerrysKid✭✭no thank you.
i enjoy and need the sets i use.
according to the list i was told specifically they are considered proc sets.
Hawk's Eye
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Reduces the cost and increases the damage of your Bow abilities by 6%.
and
Mighty Chudan
(1 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(2 items) Gain Major Ward and Major Resolve at all times, increasing your Physical and Spell Resistance by 5280.
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
has zero negative effect on anything (hurts none) and ive used those sets for years.
just cause "you" and a small (Very Small) group of people dont like proc sets is no reason to destroy other people freedom.
You must have missed the results of the many polls on the subject. People that dislike them in PVP far outweigh those that do.14 -
SOLDIER_1stClass✭✭✭✭no thank you.
i enjoy and need the sets i use.
according to the list i was told specifically they are considered proc sets.
Hawk's Eye
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Reduces the cost and increases the damage of your Bow abilities by 6%.
and
Mighty Chudan
(1 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(2 items) Gain Major Ward and Major Resolve at all times, increasing your Physical and Spell Resistance by 5280.
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
has zero negative effect on anything (hurts none) and ive used those sets for years.
just cause "you" and a small (Very Small) group of people dont like proc sets is no reason to destroy other people freedom.
You must have missed the results of the many polls on the subject. People that dislike them in PVP far outweigh those that do.
There is no prove of either, saying otherwise is absurd.
Its estimated that ESO has around 15 million players.
Let's say only half are active, a forum poll were not all of them have a voice is no indicator of the larger groups want.
[Snip]
[Edited for bait]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on February 16, 2021 2:39PM5 -
Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »And if you remove all skills from the players and only let them do light attacks, you'd improve the server performance even more.
Honestly, I hope this helps them find issues with the server so they can bring back some more sets. I mean, what's so bad about sets like seducer, nma, kagrenac, btb, ... that they have to be banned from pvp?
Don't get me wrong here... As far as flat increase/decrease sets go that's still totally fine with me. I would expect them to bring those back if the test doesn't give positive results. Those barely affect skilled gameplay apart from theorycrafting knowledge.
They're just trying to remove all calculations at the moment to see the impact. On the other hand though, if performance stays as good as it is now, I'll only support removing those sets for good. Sorry. Performance > all else.
Based on your posts so far, your logic then is:
A- what you experienced must be what all others experience
B- performance > all else
Ok, well during entirety of MYM event I had zero lag and zero issues staying connected in cyro and IC. Hence no one else must have had any issues at all. Since zos proves they can provide good performance during a heavy use period like MYM, while all procs were working, it clearly shows the issue isn’t procs but whether zos provides the additional server bandwidth needed.
Just add whatever extra capacity zos clearly did for MYM and problem solved (using your logic that I had perfect performance during MYM so everyone else must have been fine too)
Edited by Jacozilla on February 16, 2021 3:08AM6 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The forums are a small minority.
Most people use and enjoy proc sets. A lot of them look really cool too - the game is downright boring without their effects.
That being said, going forward there should be one campaign without proc sets. Then you'll truly see if it's what players really want.10 -
JerrysKid✭✭SOLDIER_1stClass wrote: »no thank you.
i enjoy and need the sets i use.
according to the list i was told specifically they are considered proc sets.
Hawk's Eye
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Reduces the cost and increases the damage of your Bow abilities by 6%.
and
Mighty Chudan
(1 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(2 items) Gain Major Ward and Major Resolve at all times, increasing your Physical and Spell Resistance by 5280.
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
has zero negative effect on anything (hurts none) and ive used those sets for years.
just cause "you" and a small (Very Small) group of people dont like proc sets is no reason to destroy other people freedom.
You must have missed the results of the many polls on the subject. People that dislike them in PVP far outweigh those that do.
There is no prove of either, saying otherwise is absurd.
Its estimated that ESO has around 15 million players.
Let's say only half are active, a forum poll were not all of them have a voice is no indicator of the larger groups want.
[Snip].
Do some research into sample polling and sampling error. [Snip].
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm surprised. I have the complete opposite experience.
And not because I miss using proc sets - I play a Stamplar, usually in Stuhn + Eternal Vigor. Hardly opressive sets.
But fights don't feel magically more fair now. My jabs either delete someone in 2 hits, or don't even make a dent. There is not much inbetween. Same on my end - either I sustain and survive as well or even better than before, or I just pop in a second. Combat feels very swing-y.
It would have been incredible imo if disabling an, as far as effects go, rather arbitrary selection of sets (Seducer? NMA?) would somehow result in a balanced experience. Of course I say good riddance to certain builds - Harbinger necros for one. But that doesn't mean the game is now magically balanced.
As an oddity that never had much problems with performance, I also regret to say that lag is immeasurably worse. I'm not sure why, but the difference is night and day.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.7 -
SOLDIER_1stClass✭✭✭✭SOLDIER_1stClass wrote: »no thank you.
i enjoy and need the sets i use.
according to the list i was told specifically they are considered proc sets.
Hawk's Eye
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Reduces the cost and increases the damage of your Bow abilities by 6%.
and
Mighty Chudan
(1 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(2 items) Gain Major Ward and Major Resolve at all times, increasing your Physical and Spell Resistance by 5280.
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
has zero negative effect on anything (hurts none) and ive used those sets for years.
just cause "you" and a small (Very Small) group of people dont like proc sets is no reason to destroy other people freedom.
You must have missed the results of the many polls on the subject. People that dislike them in PVP far outweigh those that do.
There is no prove of either, saying otherwise is absurd.
Its estimated that ESO has around 15 million players.
Let's say only half are active, a forum poll were not all of them have a voice is no indicator of the larger groups want.
[Snip].
Do some research into sample polling and sampling error. [Snip].
Sample polling only works in specific scenarios where other observed polls have been conducted to calculate the probability that those being questioned can accurately represent the group as a whole. In most basic polls it would take 3 preliminary polls to establish parameters.
For example
1. Targeting pvpers on subject A
2. Targeting Pvpers on subject B
3. Targeting pvers on subject AB
Following the responses you'd take the assessed responses to isolate whether or not a poll can be conducted on subject D to get a proper representation of what you are looking for.
So no, the current polls cannot accurately depict the majority.
[Snip]
[Edited for bait]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on February 16, 2021 2:41PM2 -
regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've not had this much fun in PvP for years. This finally feels amazing and I can't stop playing!! My partner has to physically pull me off from my chair in order to receive any attention 😁😁
Skill finally shows and all fights feel fair and satisfying! It's no longer a game that makes me mad and sad, just reflect on what I could've done better. I don't even care I can't theory craft as much (which was honestly loads of fun), this is just great!
Now I only wish BGs would get the same treatment 😢
I can't thank you enough for this Zenimax! Do the right thing after it's over!
PS: Nearly 0 lag for me so far, and I really can't stress this enough! I have no idea how somebody can say there's no improvement at all, my game has been smooth and no big delays occurred. Perhaps we should address ball groups next? 😊
Good to see that "YOU" had zero lag but I beg to differ i watched multiple streams today and PC NA grayhost is completely unplayable.8 -
Nemeliom✭✭✭✭Please keep procs out of the game!! It's been years since I had that much fun in Cyrodiil.
I have my own toxic canerigenous builds with proc sets and I hate them, but the proc meta doenst give you much of a chance.
Now in Cyordiil, with pure sets, I'm having a total blast!!
SOOOO HAPPY!!!Baradur Morker - Level 50 Bosmer Nightblade
Le-Duck - Level 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight
Boom-Stormer - Level 50 High Elf Sorcerer
Nemeliom the Great - Level 50 Redguard Warden
Crazy Little Maggie - Level 50 High Elf Templar6 -
regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭SOLDIER_1stClass wrote: »no thank you.
i enjoy and need the sets i use.
according to the list i was told specifically they are considered proc sets.
Hawk's Eye
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Reduces the cost and increases the damage of your Bow abilities by 6%.
and
Mighty Chudan
(1 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(2 items) Gain Major Ward and Major Resolve at all times, increasing your Physical and Spell Resistance by 5280.
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
has zero negative effect on anything (hurts none) and ive used those sets for years.
just cause "you" and a small (Very Small) group of people dont like proc sets is no reason to destroy other people freedom.
You must have missed the results of the many polls on the subject. People that dislike them in PVP far outweigh those that do.
There is no prove of either, saying otherwise is absurd.
Its estimated that ESO has around 15 million players.
Let's say only half are active, a forum poll were not all of them have a voice is no indicator of the larger groups want.
[Snip].
Do some research into sample polling and sampling error. [Snip].
Sorry he is right, in order for that poll to be 100% valid a vote must be done with Every single person casting their vote.Edited by ZOS_Volpe on February 16, 2021 2:42PM2 -
ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, turn everything off in PVP, everyone use the same model and fight each other, what they call it SKILLS.4 -
JerrysKid✭✭SOLDIER_1stClass wrote: »SOLDIER_1stClass wrote: »no thank you.
i enjoy and need the sets i use.
according to the list i was told specifically they are considered proc sets.
Hawk's Eye
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Reduces the cost and increases the damage of your Bow abilities by 6%.
and
Mighty Chudan
(1 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(2 items) Gain Major Ward and Major Resolve at all times, increasing your Physical and Spell Resistance by 5280.
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
has zero negative effect on anything (hurts none) and ive used those sets for years.
just cause "you" and a small (Very Small) group of people dont like proc sets is no reason to destroy other people freedom.
You must have missed the results of the many polls on the subject. People that dislike them in PVP far outweigh those that do.
There is no prove of either, saying otherwise is absurd.
Its estimated that ESO has around 15 million players.
Let's say only half are active, a forum poll were not all of them have a voice is no indicator of the larger groups want.
[Snip].
Do some research into sample polling and sampling error. [Snip].
Sample polling only works in specific scenarios where other observed polls have been conducted to calculate the probability that those being questioned can accurately represent the group as a whole. In most basic polls it would take 3 preliminary polls to establish parameters.
For example
1. Targeting pvpers on subject A
2. Targeting Pvpers on subject B
3. Targeting pvers on subject AB
Following the responses you'd take the assessed responses to isolate whether or not a poll can be conducted on subject D to get a proper representation of what you are looking for.
So no, the current polls cannot accurately depict the majority.
[Snip]
In this specific case what would those questions be? How could the forums be so totally devoid of people that support proc sets? Every single poll is a landslide for people who are against them. Considering that the margin of error within even the smallest samples is roughly 6% I'd say you are grasping at straws. [Snip].
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Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SOLDIER_1stClass wrote: »no thank you.
i enjoy and need the sets i use.
according to the list i was told specifically they are considered proc sets.
Hawk's Eye
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Reduces the cost and increases the damage of your Bow abilities by 6%.
and
Mighty Chudan
(1 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(2 items) Gain Major Ward and Major Resolve at all times, increasing your Physical and Spell Resistance by 5280.
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
has zero negative effect on anything (hurts none) and ive used those sets for years.
just cause "you" and a small (Very Small) group of people dont like proc sets is no reason to destroy other people freedom.
You must have missed the results of the many polls on the subject. People that dislike them in PVP far outweigh those that do.
There is no prove of either, saying otherwise is absurd.
Its estimated that ESO has around 15 million players.
Let's say only half are active, a forum poll were not all of them have a voice is no indicator of the larger groups want.
[Snip].
Yeah, no.
If eso had 15 mil active players the megaservers would cause a nucleral apocalypse, they'd overheat so much.
They sold that many copies/had ppl try the game.
Eso's player retention is so atrocious, we will likely never see active player numbers.Edited by ZOS_Volpe on February 16, 2021 2:43PM3 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If it weren't for performance (Ravenwatch, PC-EU) being one of the worst I've seen in a long time yesterday, I think I would've really enjoyed PvP during the first day of tests. Eliminating procsets definitely didn't do anything about performance, but the quality of PvP in terms of what factors determines the outcome of a fight was much healthier.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If anything, this test proves that ZOS has a skewed perception of what a proc is since they think any set that has to check their conditions constantly is a proc. To quote someone "NMA has to check if your ability is an ability."
They said they were disabling every set bonus that triggered a procedure call. Which is what, "proc," is short for, in case that was unclear.
And then they disabled every set bonus that triggered a procedure call, just like they said they would.
As for NMA, without knowing what the scripting looks like on the back end, I suspect all cost modifications are executed through procs.5 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sadly primetime main campaign at PC EU had really bad lag, exactly the same as before the test, so no improvements on performance.
But i do admit i have enjoyed the no procs combat anyways after so long time of the current meta.
Would be kind of interesting and fun to have same type of rulesets of gear for Battlegrounds for few weeks also where the big zergs do not make the game unresponsive..5 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Get the same lags as always.
If they remove proc sets - all we get is:
I can not press skills, some one can, i have lags, so skills just do not press. I have no remove debuffs skill, no invis or sorcs streak.
So just let low skill player kill me, becouse nothing work is not a good game option for me.
In next update all thery crafting will be removed from CP game.
All you have the same 3 option that you can chose from.
Game already becomes the game for stupid, no brain will be needed.
If all other difference will be only in - that one can press button, and i can not becouse of lug, and all the same sets - what is it different from Korea games ?
No difference, so i better play them or wow.
The first thing i like in TESO is that you can take different thingth and combine it. Brain is needed.
If no need in brain - then i better play the same korea game with girls half naked gear. It will be the same gameplay - but they are more naked.1 -
Athan1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's not mix things up... Conditional =/= proc. Conditional is checking if something is a stamina ability. Proc is rolling the die, e.g. 10% to activate an effect.
Tbh is sounds there has been poor coding if they treat "ifelse" conditionals as procs.
I was quite shocked at NMA too tbh...
Anyway, I'd love to see no procs in Cyrodiil for good.Athan Atticus Imperial Templar of Shezarr7 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If it weren't for performance (Ravenwatch, PC-EU) being one of the worst I've seen in a long time yesterday, I think I would've really enjoyed PvP during the first day of tests. Eliminating procsets definitely didn't do anything about performance, but the quality of PvP in terms of what factors determines the outcome of a fight was much healthier.
That's strange...my performance was flawless on the same server yesterday o.O1