CP 2.0 from a tank’s perspective

BejaProphet

I’m very excited about this new system but I have one major criticism.

There are way too few slottable boosts to tanking in the trees. Take warfare tree for example. Basically it’s...

10% AoE mit
10% direct mit

Together these two translate into 10% mitigation period.

Then 10% DoT mitigation.


Now I see lots of great stuff that does NOT require slotting. But this will only distinguish low to mid CP characters. We must remember that in theory DD’s healers and tanks will ALL have every single non slottable passive. At that point this 10% mitigation is all that will distinguish me in choosing to build for a tank role.

TLDR. Tanks need more choices to build for our role which require slots to use. Because ultimately those choices are the ones distinguishing everybody.

zvavi

You need the 150 weapon+spell damage for alkosh jokes aside (u dont need the 150 weapon dmg passive to reach alkosh cap, easily done without it) bulwark (1900 resists, translates into 3%~ reduced dmg over the board) and reinforced (5k shield every 10 seconds) were my choices.

Starlight_Whisper

There was 4 migration stars no?

Starlight_Whisper

So I logged in just for this

Damage migration stars to slot

Unassailable
Duelist Rebuff
Enduring Resolve

Others
Bulwark - restinces
Reinforced - bubble shield
Last stand - ultimate gain
Riposte - dps for self for overworld or bad dps groups

zvavi

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

So I logged in just for this

Damage migration stars to slot

Unassailable
Duelist Rebuff
Enduring Resolve

Others
Bulwark - restinces
Reinforced - bubble shield
Last stand - ultimate gain
Riposte - dps for self for overworld or bad dps groups

I wouldn't take last stand, my HP nearly never drops below 20%.

BejaProphet

@Starlight_Whisper

That’s the exact 3 I referred to. And look at my post more carefully.

There is definitely stuff for tanking. But the slottable stuff is only the three, and those amount to 10% general mit and another 10 for dots.

In due time every DD will fill in the other trees. Me making CHOICES in the slottable to distinguish myself for the tank role is extremely scarce.

zvavi

BejaProphet wrote: »

That’s the exact 3 I referred to. And look at my post more carefully.

There is definitely stuff for tanking. But the slottable stuff is only the three, and those amount to 10% general mit and another 10 for dots.

In due time every DD will fill in the other trees. Me making CHOICES in the slottable to distinguish myself for the tank role is extremely scarce.

disagree a lot. I wouldnt touch the 10% aoe mitigation in most cases, and the 10% dot+10% st mitigation is as a must have as 10% st + 10% dot dmg on dd...

Starlight_Whisper

BejaProphet wrote: »

@Starlight_Whisper

That’s the exact 3 I referred to. And look at my post more carefully.

There is definitely stuff for tanking. But the slottable stuff is only the three, and those amount to 10% general mit and another 10 for dots.

In due time every DD will fill in the other trees. Me making CHOICES in the slottable to distinguish myself for the tank role is extremely scarce.

Nope you are wrong, everything I listed is sloteable. Maybe was different last patch, but I went on pts to check this today

BejaProphet

Looked closer, and yes they are, but I had discounted them because they are all either not a help in tanking or so terrible they aren’t worth a slot.

As is, I would take the top three you named then slot the extra Stam or mag resources.

I’m not going to go through each you listed to tell why each one is beneath consideration. I stand by my original assessment. There is not enough slottable choices to distinguish me from somebody who is a damage dealer who is grabbing the same non slottable tanks passives as me.

Starlight_Whisper

BejaProphet wrote: »

Looked closer, and yes they are, but I had discounted them because they are all either not a help in tanking or so terrible they aren’t worth a slot.

As is, I would take the top three you named then slot the extra Stam or mag resources.

I’m not going to go through each you listed to tell why each one is beneath consideration. I stand by my original assessment. There is not enough slottable choices to distinguish me from somebody who is a damage dealer who is grabbing the same non slottable tanks passives as me.

A shield when blocking or extra resistances. Either or can be your four. You are complaining lack of option, but I have you plenty and then you yourself did another with just max resources.

Each of my options had damage reduction or trigger on block. They are things dps won't likely slot in group content as we only get 4 slots. If you want something more then say what you want to see in future because right.now you do have options just not ones I assume you want to see?

BejaProphet

It’s ok. I’m giving feed back to them not debating you. [Snip]. And the kicker is that there is no need for you to do so. I am very pleased with CP 2.0. I’m just giving feed back where there is room for improvement. And I’ve done that now.

I’m certainly not going to go through the list and explain things like why a 5k shield every 10 seconds is an absolute joke. Or why 9 seconds of boosted ultimate when I drop to 20% health...omg a delayed help for an oh crap moment. Or why 1k per second damage reflect upon blocking is utterly pointless for serious tanking. But when a 1.4K boost to magicka is in my top FOUR choices for tank boosts, then that itself tells you something.

You can hang your shield up, ZOS can handle some mild feedback.

[Edited for minor bait]

Starlight_Whisper

BejaProphet wrote: »

It’s ok. I’m giving feed back to them not debating you. [Snip]. And the kicker is that there is no need for you to do so. I am very pleased with CP 2.0. I’m just giving feed back where there is room for improvement. And I’ve done that now.

I’m certainly not going to go through the list and explain things like why a 5k shield every 10 seconds is an absolute joke. Or why 9 seconds of boosted ultimate when I drop to 20% health...omg a delayed help for an oh crap moment. Or why 1k per second damage reflect upon blocking is utterly pointless for serious tanking. But when a 1.4K boost to magicka is in my top FOUR choices for tank boosts, then that itself tells you something.

You can hang your shield up, ZOS can handle some mild feedback.
[Edited for minor bait]

I am simplying disagreeing with you. You aren't seeing the potential, but yeah we can walk away from this

zvavi

BejaProphet wrote: »

It’s ok. I’m giving feed back to them not debating you.

Well we are giving feedback too. And even pointing out the points we disagree on in your feedback that you posted on the open to all forums...

BejaProphet

@zvavi nothing you have said has upset me. My frustration was in response to Starlight’s posts. And I apologize for posting before the frustration was entirely past, I ought to have waited a bit longer. And I’ve tried to avoid a lengthy post that would be required to explain my frustration but I would like readers to know that I’m not simply upset that somebody does not agree with me.

I look at CP 2.0 and I am very pleased. And as a tank in particular I am very happy that there are lots of great stuff for tanks in it. However, I can’t help but note that overwhelmingly the things that help me tank are non-slottable. Meaning (in the long run) there will be no choice involved. Everybody will get them in the course of leveling. And I look at the warfare tree in particular, which seems most about distinguishing your role, and I note that the slottables are particularly underwhelming to distinguish me as a tank.

I give that feedback.

The response I get is a long list of things I’m capable of slotting, which I certainly could slot. And some certainly would distinguish me for being the only player foolish enough to choose them. I’m accused of ignoring those because they aren’t what I want as if I’m just throwing a tantrum.

Let’s take one example on the list. Riposte allows me to reflect 5k damage once every five seconds when I block. Her reasoning was that since it procs on block it is a “tank” ability and it proves my feed back wrong. Only the reasoning is flawed. What if when I blocked the proc’ed effect was that my next harvest time was cut in half? Should I be happy for the tank perk? No, because it does nothing to make me a better tank. Me getting a 1k dps boost to my personal damage does nothing to make me a better tank regardless of whether a block procs it.

So I found myself at a choice. I could go through her entire list explaining each one and why it is useless for improving me as a tank, a list that she could effortlessly type but would take me an extensive post to refute...OR I could just say I’m giving ZOS feedback and I’m not worried about convincing her.

I chose the later. 🤷‍♂️

zvavi

I actually think that the options of 1.5k resources (both mag and stam) are actually a nice perk to have in case you need to use them to balance your resources when you change gear(I once had the mistake of getting my stam and mag out of balance cause gear, needless to say I did badly that trial). So choice are there (for example I wouldn't use AoE CP out of specific fights like vSS) no need to lash out on people for their opinions though, even if they call Riposte a tank perk (which I highly disagree with)

UnknownResults

@BejaProphet what about the slotable star for recovery? I would've though recovery would be insanely good for tanks (can't remember exactly so ignore me if I'm wrong)

UnknownResults

nvm don't mind me, didn't fully read the thread