The guild bank for large guilds

KoStick79

Hello ZeniMax!

I am KoStick79 (GM Gnolams Orion Guild), representing TESO Rus GM's discord server of 140+ Guild Masters and officers from different ESO guilds.

On behalf of our community I want to kindly ask if it is possible to increase the guild bank space for large guilds (250+ members) up to 1000 spaces for better social interaction.

Or maybe make a new token/scroll which will increase the guild bank space. It would be nice if this token/scroll could be available at the Crown Store or from NPC for Writ vouchers.

Thanks for this great game!
Have a nice day!

GreenHere

Never seemed right to me that an entire guild is limited to such a small bank.

I've known GMs who wanted to stock things like Siege, "standard" recipes/motif/furnishings, good tradable gear, etc. for dispensing to newbies/guildies as needed (which is super cool of them, and a great guild perk imo!), but were seriously hampered by the limit. (In addition to all the items they needed to manage for regular guild activities, like auctions and whatnot.)

It prevents them from being able to hold onto much at any given time while also having space left to accept direct donations; they often have to resort to having officers / alt accounts gather, hoard, and redistribute items just to make it work. It's a lot of tedious micro-managing. Which seems like an unnecessary time waster, especially for people who are already going out of their way & making significant personal sacrifices to make other players' experience better.

I say go bigger! Give guilds +1000 banks slots for each 100 members! And 1000 at base. Maybe make 400+ just give 2K, to avoid "needing" to be capped to avoid having the max slots bouncing up and down near guild member cap.

AcadianPaladin

I'd be happy to see the ability to stack many things that should be but are not stackable (runeboxes I'm lookin' at you). That would be a good start.

Hapexamendios

^

That + plus stackable items stacking automatically.

fredthefrown

For the love of god just let me stack things in the bank. What’s the big bad abusable reason why we can’t?

wolfbone

KoStick79 wrote: »

Hello ZeniMax!

I am KoStick79 (GM Gnolams Orion Guild), representing TESO Rus GM's discord server of 140+ Guild Masters and officers from different ESO guilds.

On behalf of our community I want to kindly ask if it is possible to increase the guild bank space for large guilds (250+ members) up to 1000 spaces for better social interaction.

Or maybe make a new token/scroll which will increase the guild bank space. It would be nice if this token/scroll could be available at the Crown Store or from NPC for Writ vouchers.

Thanks for this great game!
Have a nice day!

cant you upgrade guild bank space?

zvavi

fredthefrown wrote: »

For the love of god just let me stack things in the bank. What’s the big bad abusable reason why we can’t?

Uh, they failed to implement it without bugs.

ectoplasmicninja

wolfbone wrote: »

cant you upgrade guild bank space?

Nope. Fixed at 500 slots whether you have 10 members or 500.

Sgrug

I agree with more space but not with gating it behind guild size.

There is no reason not to do this for all guilds why does everything have to be made elitist.

Coatmagic

More space AND better permissions - per category or something ANYTHING is better than this all or nothing crap.

GreenHere

Sgrug wrote: »

I agree with more space but not with gating it behind guild size.

There is no reason not to do this for all guilds why does everything have to be made elitist.

Is incentivizing & rewarding guilds to grow their members list elitist now?

The idea is also to keep "tiny" guilds in check somewhat; 5000 bank slots for every guild that can slap together 10 members might be a bit much for the servers. We tend to think of it as free and infinite, but those bits and bytes gotta live somewhere!

Bank space does actually have an irl cost, and server bandwidth/bloat is a problem I imagine needs keeping in-check.

Sgrug

GreenHere wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

I agree with more space but not with gating it behind guild size.

There is no reason not to do this for all guilds why does everything have to be made elitist.

Is incentivizing & rewarding guilds to grow their members list elitist now?

The idea is also to keep "tiny" guilds in check somewhat; 5000 bank slots for every guild that can slap together 10 members might be a bit much for the servers. We tend to think of it as free and infinite, but those bits and bytes gotta live somewhere!

Bank space does actually have an irl cost, and server bandwidth/bloat is a problem I imagine needs keeping in-check.

As you stated. " the idea is to keep tiny guilds in check" yes that is elitest.

GreenHere

Sgrug wrote: »

GreenHere wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

I agree with more space but not with gating it behind guild size.

There is no reason not to do this for all guilds why does everything have to be made elitist.

Is incentivizing & rewarding guilds to grow their members list elitist now?

The idea is also to keep "tiny" guilds in check somewhat; 5000 bank slots for every guild that can slap together 10 members might be a bit much for the servers. We tend to think of it as free and infinite, but those bits and bytes gotta live somewhere!

Bank space does actually have an irl cost, and server bandwidth/bloat is a problem I imagine needs keeping in-check.

As you stated. " the idea is to keep tiny guilds in check" yes that is elitest.

It's not elitism, it's just a practicality. There are limits on storage spaces in the first place because of the technological limitations the game has, along with the real-world costs involved in storing more and more data.

I'm not a game dev, so I'm not saying I know the perfect/correct numbers to afford players or guilds on the whole; I'm just saying that more generous methods of doling out space to those who need it would be welcome. They can't just give everyone in the game infinite storage, right? And they can't do it for guilds, either. There needs to be some kind of limits in place for the sake of having the whole thing work. That's just the reality. None of us want infinite space for everyone if it means 4x longer loading screens, 3 second skill lag, constant disconnects, ZOS just straight up going out of business, et cetera...

My suggestion was meant to afford every guild more space, and even have it grow further as the needs of the guild grew with population; you know, to be extra generous. Maybe the numbers themselves need tweaking (or maximizing!) to fall in line with the technical limitations in play, but it feels like you're doing mental gymnastics to turn that into me saying anything disparaging or elitist toward smaller guilds. Perhaps I worded it poorly, but I just don't think giving <100 member guilds the same storage space as 500+ member guilds is feasible, sadly. ZOS couldn't/wouldn't sustain it.

If there were no downsides, I'd want everyone to have infinite storage space, honestly. I think managing inventory might just be the least fun aspect of any game ever.

dvonpm

Also allow players to see their own deposits and withdrawals please

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Player storage space is not costly for ZOS. We have the crafting bag, and it swallows any amount of all crafting ingredients in the game. There are no strong technical reasons why you can't allow players to store significantly more items in any bank.

This is all about designing the game to be inconvenient enough for players to pay for bank space any way they can. I have a guild bank all to myself, and if that one got expanded to 1000 slots or more, I would no longer need ESO+, as all crafting items would easily fit in the guild bank while leaving some room for other stuff as well. With 500 slots, there is not even enough room for all the crafting ingredients which pile up rather quickly without ESO+.

However, I agree that large guilds with lots of active players (not my large guild composed only of offliners and myself) would benefit greatly from an expanded guild bank. Perhaps it would be good to implement a guild activity bonus, where each member who logged in reasonably often would contribute to a ranking that had some reasonable impact on the guild bank size over time?

DeepSeaDiver

Agreed about increasing space & both points about stacking (there's even inconsistency with style pages as some can be stacked and some can't).

If you're on PC try the Roomba addon for stacking items that can be stacked
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info402-Roomba-GuildbankStacker.html