Stam Sorc dps problem

Quelindor

I can't get even 20k dps with my stamina sorcerer. Which have 420 champ points. Using Dual wield for main skillbar and bow for second. And i can't understand what am i doign wrong. Is it my gear or skillset. Most of the builds using this skillset with some little differences. Can someone help me about it.

Summon Clannfear
Bound Armaments
Whirlwind
Crystal Weapon
Camoflaged Hunter
Flawless Dawnbreaker

Backbar;
Summon Clannfear
Endless Hail
Lıghtweight Beast Trap
Poison Injection
Hurricane
Greater Storm Atronach

I am trying it with dummy. My rotation goes like; Precast hurricane, bound armaments. Endless Hail > Poison Injection > Beast Trap > Storm Atronach > 4x Crystal WeaponLight Attack > Bound Armaments etc. After %50 using whirlwind.
I am using weapon damage potion and food.
My gear is full new moon medium and spriggan medium. Still try to get monster set, so my head is Selene and shoulder is Balorgh. My rings and neck are spriggan.
Two dagger new moon both yellow. Maın is nirnhoned and off is Sharpened. Main has poison damage enchantment off has weapon damage enchantment. Most armors have maximum stam enchantment.

With this setup, maximum damage that i can reach is 16k. Mostly around 13-14k
I am doing weaving and even using addon for it.

What am i doing wrong? Is it my gear? Or skillset? Or am i just bad? I am also wondering is this gear viable?

zvavi

LF cmx.

Quelindor

zvavi wrote: »

LF cmx.

Quelindor

zvavi

This is much less info than combat metrics but I guess it will do.
Low uptime on DoTs (are you using endless hail?)
no proper use of bound armaments (needs to be used on 4 knives)
Other morph of trap.
No major brutality+savagery

Other than that tests are usually taken on the 21m dummy for the debuffs u get from tanks/heals, if u r testing solo setup try adding razor caltrops for almost 6k penetration

Quelindor

zvavi wrote: »

This is much less info than combat metrics but I guess it will do.
Low uptime on DoTs (are you using endless hail?)
no proper use of bound armaments (needs to be used on 4 knives)
Other morph of trap.
No major brutality+savagery

Other than that tests are usually taken on the 21m dummy for the debuffs u get from tanks/heals, if u r testing solo setup try adding razor caltrops for almost 6k penetration

Thanks for your answer. I am using Endless hail, it's statistics not shown there, i couldn't get screenshot of all fight. Also i am trying to user bound armaments every 4 stacks but maybe i should more focus on that.
So i can higher my dps with more proper play with the same gear. This is what i was wondring about.

Also i thought it was combat metrics, i just realized it is AUI Combat Statistics

Schattenfluegel

Have you tried to practise the Rotation without that addon with manual Weaving? It need Time and Practise to get Dmg. You'll need to learn the Timings...

And as other said, do you even use Endless Hail?

Benoftheflies

if you are not able to light attack weave, then crystal weapons is not really worth it. You should use rapid strikes until you get the hang of it. When you do get good light attack weaving, then try to go back to crystal weapons. Also the gear can be a bit better. Try to farm for relequin from NCR. It is really easy to find groups running that.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

ITS ALWAYS YOUR ROTATION. Sorry to say it loud for the folks in the back, but it's axiomatic on the ESO forums. Everyone thinks it's their gear, but its always your rotation and your weave. I see 37 light attacks. Dont see a time on that recap, but 3,000,000 health dummy divided by 16k DPS is about 187 seconds, which means there should be something like 160-170 light attacks in that parse.

If you can't light weave, I strongly suggest you go Magic and work on a heavy attack build. Either that, or practice your light weave.

Edit: Ahh, there is the time. It says 1m, guessing that is one minute? That's a little unusual for a parse. Looks like I see total damage of about 1.1 mil so either you didnt finish the parse (will make it look low) or it was mostly execute (which will usually make it look high). That suggests a little better LA ratio than I outlined, but still on the low side. In one minutes you should have 55 or so light attacks. I would download combat metrics and do another parse or two, and also, do them from 100%-0% on the dummy.

TheMuyu

Did you tried on Giant Trial Dummy ? With that should be like 30K with your rotation.

Quelindor

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

ITS ALWAYS YOUR ROTATION. Sorry to say it loud for the folks in the back, but it's axiomatic on the ESO forums. Everyone thinks it's their gear, but its always your rotation and your weave. I see 37 light attacks. Dont see a time on that recap, but 3,000,000 health dummy divided by 16k DPS is about 187 seconds, which means there should be something like 160-170 light attacks in that parse.

If you can't light weave, I strongly suggest you go Magic and work on a heavy attack build. Either that, or practice your light weave.

Edit: Ahh, there is the time. It says 1m, guessing that is one minute? That's a little unusual for a parse. Looks like I see total damage of about 1.1 mil so either you didnt finish the parse (will make it look low) or it was mostly execute (which will usually make it look high). That suggests a little better LA ratio than I outlined, but still on the low side. In one minutes you should have 55 or so light attacks. I would download combat metrics and do another parse or two, and also, do them from 100%-0% on the dummy.

Here is the full Combat metrics logs of fight. I have tried it until my stam 0. After that i lost my dps significantly until i kill the dummy.

I am not sure if i am doing weaving correct, but it seems it is correct. I am cancelling every light attack animation with crystal weapon. Yet i can't cancel crystal weapon's animation. I've tried it with swap weapons but it is really too hard and i am not sure if it's worth it.

I can work with the weaving but i don't know what am i doing wrong.
I will also share %100-%0 dummy combat metrics.

Quelindor

Benoftheflies wrote: »

if you are not able to light attack weave, then crystal weapons is not really worth it. You should use rapid strikes until you get the hang of it. When you do get good light attack weaving, then try to go back to crystal weapons. Also the gear can be a bit better. Try to farm for relequin from NCR. It is really easy to find groups running that.

Should i replace the spriggan or new moon, with the Relequin?

Schattenfluegel wrote: »

Have you tried to practise the Rotation without that addon with manual Weaving? It need Time and Practise to get Dmg. You'll need to learn the Timings...

And as other said, do you even use Endless Hail?

Actually, i am doing it manually, the addon is for only tracking.
Yes i am using endless hail, and i am trying to refresh it everytime when it finishes.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Quelindor wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

ITS ALWAYS YOUR ROTATION. Sorry to say it loud for the folks in the back, but it's axiomatic on the ESO forums. Everyone thinks it's their gear, but its always your rotation and your weave. I see 37 light attacks. Dont see a time on that recap, but 3,000,000 health dummy divided by 16k DPS is about 187 seconds, which means there should be something like 160-170 light attacks in that parse.

If you can't light weave, I strongly suggest you go Magic and work on a heavy attack build. Either that, or practice your light weave.

Edit: Ahh, there is the time. It says 1m, guessing that is one minute? That's a little unusual for a parse. Looks like I see total damage of about 1.1 mil so either you didnt finish the parse (will make it look low) or it was mostly execute (which will usually make it look high). That suggests a little better LA ratio than I outlined, but still on the low side. In one minutes you should have 55 or so light attacks. I would download combat metrics and do another parse or two, and also, do them from 100%-0% on the dummy.

Here is the full Combat metrics logs of fight. I have tried it until my stam 0. After that i lost my dps significantly until i kill the dummy.

I am not sure if i am doing weaving correct, but it seems it is correct. I am cancelling every light attack animation with crystal weapon. Yet i can't cancel crystal weapon's animation. I've tried it with swap weapons but it is really too hard and i am not sure if it's worth it.

I can work with the weaving but i don't know what am i doing wrong.
I will also share %100-%0 dummy combat metrics.

First thing I will say is that I am not an expert on Stam Sorc in the current meta. I really havent tried to min/max a DPS build since the changes to bound armaments and crystal weapon.

You really need to figure out how to sustain your parse from 100-0. I take it that you are getting about a third of the way through the dummy, running out of stamina, and then watching your numbers fall off a cliff. That is going to make any parse recap likely reflect a bit lower than you are actually doing because once you run out of stam, you likely have a few dots that taper off in a staggered order until you completely stop doing any damage, which is just going to drag down your parse.

Food: I would suggest some parse food (you want Max Stamina and Stamina Regen). Lava Foot Food and Saltrice is what you are after on stam. Who cares about your health or magic when you parse. It is perfectly acceptable to run parse food. Your sustain in a good group will always be higher than solo, and this makes up for it.

Major Endurance: This is a mandatory buff for parsing and will increase your stamina recovery by 20% The simplest way to do this is to consume stamina pots on cooldown. This should be up 100% of the time.

Heavy Attacks: These are a last resort, but throw in a heavy attack if you need to sustain. My guess is that food and stam pots will get you where you need to go.

Drop Vamp: You arent using it and this is also hurting your sustain and ultimate usage.

Buffs/Debuffs. The main damage buff you want is Major Brutality, a 20% buff to weapon damage. Like Major endurance, this should be up 100% of the time. As a sorc, you have really two options. First and best (especially in a group) is to run weapon power potions on cooldown. This will ensure you have Major Endurance (stam regen), Major Savagery (weapon crit) and Major Brutality (weapon damage) up 100% of the time. You are getting Major Savagery's from Camo hunter already, but you do need it from somewhere. Weapon power pots will buy you a bar slot. The second option for major Brutality is to run crit surge. This is a strong option on sorc because it means you dont need to use weapon power pots and you get a nice little heal as you do damage. Not the best for pure DPS, but the utility is nice especially when doing solo content.

The main Debuff you really want is a source of major breach. A raid dummy comes standard with this, but if parsing on a 3 mil, you really have two options. Have a buddy run it for you, or could work caltrops into your rotation. I wont say its mandatory at your stage, but you will always have major breach in any group content.

I would also swap from lightweight trap to barbed trap. You really run this for the minor force more than anything else. Barbed trap is longer duration, so you dont need to cast as often. You are already in melee range anyways.

Comments on weaving: Light attack weaving is not strictly limited to crystal weapon. A light attack should go before EVERY ability you cast while in combat. The only exception is if you need to heavy attack (again goes before the skill) because you need resources. In a perfect world, there are 60 light attacks in a 60 second parse. You are at 31 (26 front bar, 5 back bar), so there is a ways to go on this. LA/Sec is the easiest way to spot check a parse and probably the most telling stat in determining someone's DPS potential.

Sorc rotation really comes down to managing your buffs and debuffs, than playing the crystal weapon/bound armament mini game. When all buffs, debuffs, DOTs, Ultimate, etc. are ticking, you weave crystal weapon. Every 5th skill assuming you weave all of them, is a bound armaments' cast(build 4 stacks, and cast).

As to your bars, you can drop both whirlwind and cammo hunter (perhaps even poison injection). You probably want to add rending slashes (can swap to whirlwind for trash AOE fights). You may also want to consider deadly cloak, crit surge, or caltrops depending on what you are doing and what you need.

That is certainly not everything, but its probably enough to move the needle on this.

Edit: forgot to mention gear. Nothing wrong with spriggan and new moon, both are fine damage sets, but there are better sets for parsing. Spriggans will be overkill in the penetration department in any decent group, and new moon is not doing your sustain any favors. Pretty much every stam spec wants Relequen for PVE DPS if you can get it. Both for the proc and for the minor slayer buff you get from most DPS trial sets. Best thing to pair with that is likely going to be a set that stacks weapon crit. Advancing Yokeda is the gold standard, but there are other options that work great. Even something as simple as hundings rage or briarheart will work great (but so will new moon). If you were to just add relequen, I would drop Spriggan first.

Quelindor

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

This is really nice answer. I will test everything that you suggest and will work with my rotation and weaving. Thank you so much for your detailed answer. This is exactly what i looked for.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Quelindor wrote: »

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

This is really nice answer. I will test everything that you suggest and will work with my rotation and weaving. Thank you so much for your detailed answer. This is exactly what i looked for.

Sure thing. If you are on PC/NA, you are welcome to add me and use my trial dummies. You probably want to sort out a few more things before making the move to a trial dummy, but they really are the gold standard for comparing parses in ESO. I have 2 in my house along with a bunch of 3 mil and 6 mil. Happy to help out if you need gear or anything as well.

zvavi

Holy moly vamp stage 4, your skills are costing 12% more at that point no?
Also your weapon critical is too low (probably because not using weapon power potions) when not using those you need to find other sources of it, use camo hunter on frontbar, and critical surge on backbar, or, potions. hmm. i feel like i already said that major buffs are lacking. if your crit is that low even with camo hunter, either change your gear to more crit, or swap mundus to thief.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

zvavi wrote: »

Holy moly vamp stage 4, your skills are costing 12% more at that point no?
Also your spell critical is too low (probably because not using weapon power potions) when not using those you need to find other sources of it, use camo hunter on frontbar, and critical surge on backbar, or, potions. hmm. i feel like i already said that major buffs are lacking. if your crit is that low even with camo hunter, either change your gear to more crit, or swap mundus to thief.

Pretty sure he means weapon crit, but yes, that is also true. On a stam, your number one priorty is a source of major brutality, major savagery, and major endurance (thats why we chug weapon power potions). Shadow is generally the best mundus stone when min maxed, but at that crit level, you may very well do a bit better with thief.

The spriggans/NMA combo only has one crit buff if I believe. If you look at meta sets (AY and Rele) you are getting 4 one piece crit bonuses and a 5th piece bonus from AY that is about equal to the first 4 put togehter at max stacks. As a general rule, weapon/spell crit is your number one priority for PVE DPS. Magic for example typically pairs their meta trial set (siroria) with Mothers' Sorrow, which is essentially a pure crit set.

A really simple change might be to replace Spriggans (really a PVP or solo PVE set) with hundings or briarheart. Briarheart is better due to the heal, but not craftable. As AY needs a trial group, you could also look to Tzogvins Warband from Frostvault. Tzogvins is nice because its also a source of minor force so you can drop trap if you want.

Another strong option (not max DPS but great utility) is Vicious Serpant (AKA Vicious Ophidian). This set is better than Relequen in places like Malestrom Arena. Dont wear both at the same time because the 3 piece bonus (minor slayer) is redundant and doesn't stack.

AY/relequen for max damage. VO/Briarheart or Tsogvins for max utility (arenas, maybe non optimal 4 man content, etc).

zvavi

Uh ye meant weapon crit, editted.

Snow_White

If you’re not married to DW, I’m pretty sure 2H does more damage on a Sorc. Replace crystal weapon with wrecking blow down to 30% health, then switch to executioner.

I only slot bound weapon for the passive bonus and don’t actually cast it.

Crit surge, endless hail, hurricane, barswap
Wrecking blow x 10, barswap
Endless hail, hurricane, barswap
Wrecking blow x10, barswap
Back to crit surge....

Insert barbed trap on cool down and drop flawless dawnbreaker whenever it procs.

At 30% replace wrecking blow with executioner.

Front bar weapon - sharpened*, absorb stamina enchant (parse with damage health poison IX or crown lethal poison)
Backbar bow - infused, weapon damage enchant
Armour - all medium divines with stamina enchants
Jewellery - all bloodthirsty if its endgame gear, robust if it isn’t (don’t waste the transmutes on gear yore not going to keep)
Mundus - experiment with shadow and lover, use which ever parses higher

* most guides recommend piercing over sharpened weapon, which I think is META in an optimized group that’s near the penetration cap; but, if you’re in an unoptimized group (overland, dungeons, hitting a 3 mil dummy, etc) I think sharpened is a better choice.

Quelindor

zvavi wrote: »

Holy moly vamp stage 4, your skills are costing 12% more at that point no?
Also your spell critical is too low (probably because not using weapon power potions) when not using those you need to find other sources of it, use camo hunter on frontbar, and critical surge on backbar, or, potions. hmm. i feel like i already said that major buffs are lacking. if your crit is that low even with camo hunter, either change your gear to more crit, or swap mundus to thief.

I am vampire because pvp purposes. I like the vampire rogue style character in pvp and really enjoying it.
Actually, i am using weapon buff pot at every cooldown. Yet it gave me not spell critical but weapon critical.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Holy moly vamp stage 4, your skills are costing 12% more at that point no?
Also your spell critical is too low (probably because not using weapon power potions) when not using those you need to find other sources of it, use camo hunter on frontbar, and critical surge on backbar, or, potions. hmm. i feel like i already said that major buffs are lacking. if your crit is that low even with camo hunter, either change your gear to more crit, or swap mundus to thief.

Pretty sure he means weapon crit, but yes, that is also true. On a stam, your number one priorty is a source of major brutality, major savagery, and major endurance (thats why we chug weapon power potions). Shadow is generally the best mundus stone when min maxed, but at that crit level, you may very well do a bit better with thief.

The spriggans/NMA combo only has one crit buff if I believe. If you look at meta sets (AY and Rele) you are getting 4 one piece crit bonuses and a 5th piece bonus from AY that is about equal to the first 4 put togehter at max stacks. As a general rule, weapon/spell crit is your number one priority for PVE DPS. Magic for example typically pairs their meta trial set (siroria) with Mothers' Sorrow, which is essentially a pure crit set.

A really simple change might be to replace Spriggans (really a PVP or solo PVE set) with hundings or briarheart. Briarheart is better due to the heal, but not craftable. As AY needs a trial group, you could also look to Tzogvins Warband from Frostvault. Tzogvins is nice because its also a source of minor force so you can drop trap if you want.

Another strong option (not max DPS but great utility) is Vicious Serpant (AKA Vicious Ophidian). This set is better than Relequen in places like Malestrom Arena. Dont wear both at the same time because the 3 piece bonus (minor slayer) is redundant and doesn't stack.

AY/relequen for max damage. VO/Briarheart or Tsogvins for max utility (arenas, maybe non optimal 4 man content, etc).

I am using this set because i'm doing pvp primarily and i saw it from someone's guide. Yet, i am still leraning the game and started to learn how to use sets with builds. Now, i am trying to collect set pieces for pve. Thank you for suggestions i will check it out.

I am using serpent mundus right now because i have trouble with maintaining stamina resource and when i use the serpent it really helps.

danno8

Like others have said

-You heavy attacked 5 times on that parse. On a one million dummy, you shouldn't have to heavy attack at all if your regeneration is where it should be.

-around 40 light attacks in 60 seconds, if you can get that closer to 60 you will add around 1500 DPS based on your average light attack damage

-penetration is a huge boost. Switch to lover mundas or use caltrops. You can go all the way to 18k penetration before it becomes a waste while soloing.

-Chug stamina pots on cooldown (the savagery, brutality and endurance ones)

-vamp is good for PvP but if you want a better parse you will have to deal with the increased costs. At least be stage one.

With Briarheart, Automaton and random damage helm (Stormfist, Kraags etc.) you should be able to pull into the mid 30k's easily on a 3 million dummy. Just light attacking weaving with Wrecking Blow (or whatever the concussion one is) will get me past 20k.

You just won't get good results using PvP skills on a PvE dummy.