Silver Arrows....

grkkll

Can we have some please - for the Werewolf threat

oXI_Viper_IXo

https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/silver-bolts

Lephrel

Skill description:
Fire a Dawnguard Vampire Hunter's crossbow bolt to strike an enemy, dealing 1399 Physical Damage.

I just noticed something about this skill...the tooltip says it's a vampire hunter's crossbow. Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it. Isn't silver supposed to kill werewolves instead?
Is this a mistake in the ability tooltip or are TES vampires also vulnerable to silver?

opaj

Lephrel wrote: »

I just noticed something about this skill...the tooltip says it's a vampire hunter's crossbow. Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it. Isn't silver supposed to kill werewolves instead?
Is this a mistake in the ability tooltip or are TES vampires also vulnerable to silver?

TES vampires, ghosts, and all manner of undead are vulnerable to silver. This can be seen in the mechanics of the singleplayer games, though this effect has slowly been reduced with each successive game.

Syldras

Lephrel wrote: »

Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction#Weaknesses

Girl_Number8

I think you’re looking for the skilled tracker passive in the fighters guild combined with whatever fg skill.

Skilled Tracker
Rank I - Fighters Guild Rank 7

Your Fighters Guild abilities that deal damage deal an additional 20% damage to Undead, Daedra and Werewolves.

Lephrel

opaj wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

I just noticed something about this skill...the tooltip says it's a vampire hunter's crossbow. Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it. Isn't silver supposed to kill werewolves instead?
Is this a mistake in the ability tooltip or are TES vampires also vulnerable to silver?

TES vampires, ghosts, and all manner of undead are vulnerable to silver. This can be seen in the mechanics of the singleplayer games, though this effect has slowly been reduced with each successive game.

Thanks for the info! I'd completely forgotten that vampires were more vulnerable to silver swords in Skyrim.

Syldras wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction#Weaknesses

@Syldras According to your wikipedia link, silver doesn't harm vampires in twilight and the vampire diaries. Since those are undoubtedly the most important works of vampire fiction, TES lore should be adjusted. ^^

PS: I have never even heard of twilight and vampire diaries before. Totally didn't watch those movies. Your article is the only reason I know about their respective lores.

Syldras

Lephrel wrote: »

According to your wikipedia link, silver doesn't harm vampires in twilight and the vampire diaries. Since those are undoubtedly the most important works of vampire fiction, TES lore should be adjusted. ^^
PS: I have never even heard of twilight and vampire diaries before. Totally didn't watch those movies. Your article is the only reason I know about their respective lore.

I'm more a traditionalist when it comes to vampirism. Folklore, classic novels from Stoker or Le Fanu (for anyone interested in this type of stories, I really recommend Le Fanu's "Carmilla"!) or old movies like Nosferatu Somehow I don't really enjoy modern vampire stories... They're so... harmless.

grkkll

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

I think you’re looking for the skilled tracker passive in the fighters guild combined with whatever fg skill.

Skilled Tracker
Rank I - Fighters Guild Rank 7

Your Fighters Guild abilities that deal damage deal an additional 20% damage to Undead, Daedra and Werewolves.

Ah yes but I suggest that the term werewolves may specifically relate to PVE and may not include players who are werewolves in PVP.

QuebraRegra

opaj wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

I just noticed something about this skill...the tooltip says it's a vampire hunter's crossbow. Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it. Isn't silver supposed to kill werewolves instead?
Is this a mistake in the ability tooltip or are TES vampires also vulnerable to silver?

TES vampires, ghosts, and all manner of undead are vulnerable to silver. This can be seen in the mechanics of the singleplayer games, though this effect has slowly been reduced with each successive game.

since morrowind (the real original Morrowind).. I remeber creedping into a crypt with NO mag weapon, and only making a dent in ghosts etc because I had silver weapons (reminds me of old AD&D rules).

QuebraRegra

Syldras wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

According to your wikipedia link, silver doesn't harm vampires in twilight and the vampire diaries. Since those are undoubtedly the most important works of vampire fiction, TES lore should be adjusted. ^^
PS: I have never even heard of twilight and vampire diaries before. Totally didn't watch those movies. Your article is the only reason I know about their respective lore.

I'm more a traditionalist when it comes to vampirism. Folklore, classic novels from Stoker or Le Fanu (for anyone interested in this type of stories, I really recommend Le Fanu's "Carmilla"!) or old movies like Nosferatu Somehow I don't really enjoy modern vampire stories... They're so... harmless.

Dig it:
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/14833/14833-h/14833-h.htm

I really like the original WW games (PnP) treatment, and explanations of variations in vampires.

driosketch

QuebraRegra wrote: »

opaj wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

I just noticed something about this skill...the tooltip says it's a vampire hunter's crossbow. Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it. Isn't silver supposed to kill werewolves instead?
Is this a mistake in the ability tooltip or are TES vampires also vulnerable to silver?

TES vampires, ghosts, and all manner of undead are vulnerable to silver. This can be seen in the mechanics of the singleplayer games, though this effect has slowly been reduced with each successive game.

since morrowind (the real original Morrowind).. I remeber creedping into a crypt with NO mag weapon, and only making a dent in ghosts etc because I had silver weapons (reminds me of old AD&D rules).

Since at least Daggerfall at least, although in game it was really weapon material silver or higher.

geonsocal

it's been a while, but, I had silver shards and a whole lot of poison abilities show up on my death recap as i was trying figure what exactly had interrupted my fun tearing through a big melee of folks...

I kind of took seeing that particular fighter's guild ability personal...like who the heck even slots silver bolts for pvp - almost no one...

I felt like maybe they really hated werewolves...

it's bad enough having folks drop dawnbreakers on you all day, but really, you gotta slot silver bolts too...

Muizer

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

I think you’re looking for the skilled tracker passive in the fighters guild combined with whatever fg skill.

Skilled Tracker
Rank I - Fighters Guild Rank 7

Your Fighters Guild abilities that deal damage deal an additional 20% damage to Undead, Daedra and Werewolves.

I really wish they'd change this. 20% extra damage against Undead, Daedra and Werefolves (which you can also read as 17% less damage against mortals) isn't specific enough. Dat gap should be far wider. I.e. if you fire silver bolts against a werewolf, undead or vampire, you should get perhaps double or triple the damage, but when fired against a mortal it should be a complete waste of stamina/ult.

And if that's too big a gap in damage, they could add back the CC silver bolts used to have. Whatever it takes to make slotting FG line skills and using them a more deliberate FG oriented choice of play style.

Firstmep

Lephrel wrote: »

opaj wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

I just noticed something about this skill...the tooltip says it's a vampire hunter's crossbow. Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it. Isn't silver supposed to kill werewolves instead?
Is this a mistake in the ability tooltip or are TES vampires also vulnerable to silver?

TES vampires, ghosts, and all manner of undead are vulnerable to silver. This can be seen in the mechanics of the singleplayer games, though this effect has slowly been reduced with each successive game.

Thanks for the info! I'd completely forgotten that vampires were more vulnerable to silver swords in Skyrim.

Syldras wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction#Weaknesses

@Syldras According to your wikipedia link, silver doesn't harm vampires in twilight and the vampire diaries. Since those are undoubtedly the most important works of vampire fiction, TES lore should be adjusted. ^^

PS: I have never even heard of twilight and vampire diaries before. Totally didn't watch those movies. Your article is the only reason I know about their respective lores.

Whoah there! I recommend checking out Dracula on Netflix, it's a really good series.
Might change your perspective on what vampires should be

Sgrug

Syldras wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction#Weaknesses

Elder Scrolls dates back to 1994 with Arena, I think the first teen angst novel for Twilight was released in 2005. Obviously, your preferred choice of vampire fiction is the one that should be re-written to align with Elder Scrolls.

Point aside, the game already has its own lore and is not meant to be based on others with the exception of maybe LOTR which just about 99.9% of all high fantasy is based on.

Tommy_The_Gun

Muizer wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

I think you’re looking for the skilled tracker passive in the fighters guild combined with whatever fg skill.

Skilled Tracker
Rank I - Fighters Guild Rank 7

Your Fighters Guild abilities that deal damage deal an additional 20% damage to Undead, Daedra and Werewolves.

I really wish they'd change this. 20% extra damage against Undead, Daedra and Werefolves (which you can also read as 17% less damage against mortals) isn't specific enough. Dat gap should be far wider. I.e. if you fire silver bolts against a werewolf, undead or vampire, you should get perhaps double or triple the damage, but when fired against a mortal it should be a complete waste of stamina/ult.

And if that's too big a gap in damage, they could add back the CC silver bolts used to have. Whatever it takes to make slotting FG line skills and using them a more deliberate FG oriented choice of play style.

I think that "silver" is "mimicked" by poison & fire dmg. Werewolves take 25% more poison dmg, and Vampires take more fire dmg in a similar way.

So if you stack those together (fighters guild + dmg types), you may end up with a WW / Vamp hunter type of build that will really hurt them.

Syldras

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Dig it:
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/14833/14833-h/14833-h.htm

Thanks, I know it

Firstmep wrote: »

Whoah there! I recommend checking out Dracula on Netflix, it's a really good series.
Might change your perspective on what vampires should be

I don't have Netflix, but just checked that series on Wikipedia - it sounds nice, actually. The take on vampirism is a bit different, but at least it's a real vampire story and not some "teenager do teenager things and one by chance happens to be a vampire for whatever reasons as it's completely irrelevant for the story" thing.

Sgrug wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Lephrel wrote: »

Since when are vampires vulnerable to silver, I have literally never heard of vampires being affected by it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vampire_traits_in_folklore_and_fiction#Weaknesses

Elder Scrolls dates back to 1994 with Arena, I think the first teen angst novel for Twilight was released in 2005. Obviously, your preferred choice of vampire fiction is the one that should be re-written to align with Elder Scrolls.

Not sure if you're quoting the right person.

Bucky_13

geonsocal wrote: »

it's been a while, but, I had silver shards and a whole lot of poison abilities show up on my death recap as i was trying figure what exactly had interrupted my fun tearing through a big melee of folks...

I kind of took seeing that particular fighter's guild ability personal...like who the heck even slots silver bolts for pvp - almost no one...

I felt like maybe they really hated werewolves...

it's bad enough having folks drop dawnbreakers on you all day, but really, you gotta slot silver bolts too...

Silver shards is really good for PvP on some ranged builds, you get some splash damage and it's one of those skills that tends to work no matter how laggy it is in Cyro. Add in the bonus damage from FG passives, and it works exceptionally with snipe and poison arrow.

geonsocal

Bucky_13 wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

it's been a while, but, I had silver shards and a whole lot of poison abilities show up on my death recap as i was trying figure what exactly had interrupted my fun tearing through a big melee of folks...

I kind of took seeing that particular fighter's guild ability personal...like who the heck even slots silver bolts for pvp - almost no one...

I felt like maybe they really hated werewolves...

it's bad enough having folks drop dawnbreakers on you all day, but really, you gotta slot silver bolts too...

Silver shards is really good for PvP on some ranged builds, you get some splash damage and it's one of those skills that tends to work no matter how laggy it is in Cyro. Add in the bonus damage from FG passives, and it works exceptionally with snipe and poison arrow.

yeah but, werewolves are people too