Exploiting for Emp during Midyear Mayhem

MirelaUmbrella

So today in Evergloam on PC EU, me and my fiancée were playing at the time the campaign resetted. We noticed the person in first place had 500k score in 25 minutes (with no low pop). Of course this isn't impossible by legitimate means, but it seemed fishy considering the second place was only on 100k and this first place player was nowhere to be seen. I ported around our keeps for a while and came across a group of around 8 players split across two alliances generating defensive ticks over and over for this one player.

One of the guys who was doing the exploit whispered my fiancée "tell your wife to leave this keep, let us do our business", which confirmed to me that they were indeed exploiting def ticks to get this guy emp

I didn't make a scene out of it in zone chat at first because I didn't really have any concrete evidence, but later on I mentioned it and one of the players involved with the boosting said this:



To my surprise, a lot of people in zone chat were defending these actions, insulting us for speaking out about it, and threatened to do it again

So what do you think about this? Should ZOS be punishing players for exploiting in PvP just as they punished players who exploited for skins and such in PvE?

I also want to clarify that while me and my fiancée aren't interested in emp, there are possibly some people who take days off work and put real time and effort in, just to be smashed by some people breaking the rules of the game.

Maybe ZOS should change the way AP is awarded, like having a cooldown on AP gains if you defend the same keep against the same players?

Let me know what you think

Ackwalan

It happens a lot during MYM, especially on the temporary campaigns. It would take ZOS about 5 minutes to monitor the top AP gain to spot this and another 10 minutes to verify it. After the first day of the event and a few temporary bans (72 hours) the word would spread and it would stop.

To clarify, the kind of boosting the OP is talking about is not the same as leaving the campaign after making EMP so the next person in line can get it.

Goregrinder

Pretty standard fight-clubbing. Been a part of MMORPG's since PVP became a thing back in the 90's.

magnusthorek

It's because of this that I hate Emperorship has an achievement associated to it. Only cheaters get to be Emperor nowadays.

You cof, perhaps, send s ticket with these people names and hope their progress get drained, who knows, perhaps you get lucky and your ticket is handled by someone intelligent and honest enough to deal with the villainy

worrallj

Ackwalan wrote: »

It happens a lot during MYM, especially on the temporary campaigns. It would take ZOS about 5 minutes to monitor the top AP gain to spot this and another 10 minutes to verify it. After the first day of the event and a few temporary bans (72 hours) the word would spread and it would stop.

To clarify, the kind of boosting the OP is talking about is not the same as leaving the campaign after making EMP so the next person in line can get it.

I agree this seems so so easy to spot, just look at anyone making AP at a high rate and check out what they're doing to earn it so fast. They could even have an employee in game with some kind of perma invisible toon that could be like a spy for this stuff. It's awfully conspicuous it shouldn't be hard to stop.

Vlad9425

Emp should be disabled in the campaigns that get added during MyM, it’s that simple. Any player that uses exploits or boosting to obtain Emp should be ashamed of themselves.

SeaGtGruff

I don't know why any self-respecting player would even want to be "Emperor" if the title and achievement had absolutely no real meaning because it was "earned" through a completely bogus method.

madman65

Had the same thing on PC NA a few days ago, could not get the players health down no matter how many of us damaged the player. Makes me wonder if someone COULD be paying for this achievement because the player was with alot of other players.

harmsway

A few MYM's ago my buddy ran for emp on one of the new campaigns and was top of the leader board by a good amount and we ended up taking all the keeps so that he could be crowned. Apparently there was a bug and he wasnt able to get the achievement and stuff Zos even confirmed it was their end and that they were going to patch it. With picture proof and multiple witnesses Zos basically said oh well we cant do anything about it we dont have the means to manually give achievements to players, do it again.

xinvidiousx

Goregrinder wrote: »

Pretty standard fight-clubbing. Been a part of MMORPG's since PVP became a thing back in the 90's.

as is being banned for boosting

Pauwer

Yes, it happens. It's the peeps who want every achievement. Some buy/sell emp pushes. Some guilds push emp for members one at the time and some guilds are very good at this, they farm ap like real pros.

Luckily i'm already the empress at my house, don't need it in some game lol

xinvidiousx

i usually dgaf if people boost (not dieing for another red dye i wont use and i dont run titles even tho have them) what i do care about is how its so blatant and nothing is done about it, essentially turning pvp fun event into a boring grind. every campaign is doing it, evergloam literally is swapping emps every 30 minutes between dc/ep with ep taking all outer keeps or zerging you down if you breathe on an 8%, quagmire is boosting 3 keep runs or player boosting in keep d-tiks. i don't even mind alliance changes but feel it should have a cooldown associated with it (24 hours before it takes effect) so it eliminate the ability to run these boosting campaigns the way they are. but then again its also nice to be able to go in and disrupt their "ap trains" by holding keeps from being flipped for the boost (evergloams dc boost is literally a 5man group run by fiji water "we have a deal with ep to flip emp keeps back and forth" quote him. i get why they do it, farming ap for buying gold jewelry to sell, but do you really have to cheat to do it? at least leave one campaign for legit players that dont want it just handed to them.

sad to see these "sweat pvp'ers" boosting but then again titles and stars dont keep you alive in the end so you look more garbage when a cp500 takes down your former emp/5star.

ne.ga.kurai_ESO

PCNA noCP had crazy boosting at the beginning of our camp this round. In the first day they had AP totals that took us 30d to get the previous campaign. Not only that we have prominent streamers have people hand them the hammer regularly. We have people on alts grab the hammer, jump the milegate straight into their group and then log back on their mains. We have people buying the hammer for gold.

ZOS does not give a ####.

Skcarkden

Didn't ZoS use to punish people for this?

They definitely should. If you're willing to blatantly cheat to get it, you're willing to risk being banned imo.

xinvidiousx

Skcarkden wrote: »

Didn't ZoS use to punish people for this?

They definitely should. If you're willing to blatantly cheat to get it, you're willing to risk being banned imo.

would be nice but tbh at this point zos cant afford to ban them because theyd lose too big a chunk of players. but title/ap reverting could be a thing or even 3 day suspensions or something to discourage it

drunkendx

xinvidiousx wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Didn't ZoS use to punish people for this?

They definitely should. If you're willing to blatantly cheat to get it, you're willing to risk being banned imo.

would be nice but tbh at this point zos cant afford to ban them because theyd lose too big a chunk of players. but title/ap reverting could be a thing or even 3 day suspensions or something to discourage it

Agreed.

This is like using console commands in Skyrim to give yourself an achievement, what's the point if you exploited, you think someone will respect you for using exploits?

LOSERS...

DarcyMardin

Using an exploit to get an achievement cheapens the achievement — suddenly it becomes not something to be proud of. Three day ban sounds like a good solution to me.

iksde

drunkendx wrote: »

xinvidiousx wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

Didn't ZoS use to punish people for this?

They definitely should. If you're willing to blatantly cheat to get it, you're willing to risk being banned imo.

would be nice but tbh at this point zos cant afford to ban them because theyd lose too big a chunk of players. but title/ap reverting could be a thing or even 3 day suspensions or something to discourage it

Agreed.

This is like using console commands in Skyrim to give yourself an achievement, what's the point if you exploited, you think someone will respect you for using exploits?

LOSERS...

for things like this this isnt just console command, you need to do it and you need help with it

people dont care for respect for this if they only want to get it for achiev fo completion
and so they do it with so cheesy way to make it fast and efficient instead of no-lifing for days to get these ap, to stay on 1st place and get keeps for emp

and so event like with with additional campaigns is perfect moment to cheese for emperor achiev because in normal way...well...you really will need to no-life for days to get it because of how may players play this and are on leaderboards so once again...why to no-life for days when you can fast cheese it and have it done and not thinking anymore about this?

ectoplasmicninja

With paying for a trial carry, you have a goal you don't have the time/skill to achieve on your own, so you pay others to help you achieve it. For some people all they want is a cool costume and a shiny dye or to check a box, and it's not about bragging rights or a sense of accomplishment. I totally get that, and frankly I see no issue in paying for trial carries. I don't feel diminished in my legitimate achievement of vMoL when I see hundreds of other people with that skin. My cool mount isn't cool because of rarity, it's cool because of looks. That's how I feel about these things generally.

In PvP however, you're climbing the ladder to emperor by stepping on the heads of other people who are struggling to get the same thing but legitimately. That's rude and not cool. People put a lot of time and effort and hard work into trying to become emperor, and then some dude and his buddies come cheese their way to the top and make all that work useless. That's not the kind of environment I'd want to encourage in my MMO.

I would love to be emperor someday. Just for five seconds, so I can unlock the costume and the dye and then leave the campaign so someone else can have it. But I'll never get there, because I don't have the time, probably not the skill, and certainly not enough friends. It saddens me greatly because that costume is amazing. Still not going to pay for or cheese it. Maybe it'll be my last achievement, many years in the future, just before they take down the servers and kill the game for good.

Thoragaal

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

So today in Evergloam on PC EU, me and my fiancée were playing at the time the campaign resetted. We noticed the person in first place had 500k score in 25 minutes (with no low pop). Of course this isn't impossible by legitimate means, but it seemed fishy considering the second place was only on 100k and this first place player was nowhere to be seen. I ported around our keeps for a while and came across a group of around 8 players split across two alliances generating defensive ticks over and over for this one player.

One of the guys who was doing the exploit whispered my fiancée "tell your wife to leave this keep, let us do our business", which confirmed to me that they were indeed exploiting def ticks to get this guy emp

I didn't make a scene out of it in zone chat at first because I didn't really have any concrete evidence, but later on I mentioned it and one of the players involved with the boosting said this:



To my surprise, a lot of people in zone chat were defending these actions, insulting us for speaking out about it, and threatened to do it again

So what do you think about this? Should ZOS be punishing players for exploiting in PvP just as they punished players who exploited for skins and such in PvE?

I also want to clarify that while me and my fiancée aren't interested in emp, there are possibly some people who take days off work and put real time and effort in, just to be smashed by some people breaking the rules of the game.

Maybe ZOS should change the way AP is awarded, like having a cooldown on AP gains if you defend the same keep against the same players?

Let me know what you think

Flipping resources etc like that (back n forth) is a bannable offense. Report them.

hexentb16_ESO

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

So today in Evergloam on PC EU, me and my fiancée were playing at the time the campaign resetted. We noticed the person in first place had 500k score in 25 minutes (with no low pop). Of course this isn't impossible by legitimate means, but it seemed fishy considering the second place was only on 100k and this first place player was nowhere to be seen. I ported around our keeps for a while and came across a group of around 8 players split across two alliances generating defensive ticks over and over for this one player.

One of the guys who was doing the exploit whispered my fiancée "tell your wife to leave this keep, let us do our business", which confirmed to me that they were indeed exploiting def ticks to get this guy emp

I didn't make a scene out of it in zone chat at first because I didn't really have any concrete evidence, but later on I mentioned it and one of the players involved with the boosting said this:



To my surprise, a lot of people in zone chat were defending these actions, insulting us for speaking out about it, and threatened to do it again

So what do you think about this? Should ZOS be punishing players for exploiting in PvP just as they punished players who exploited for skins and such in PvE?

I also want to clarify that while me and my fiancée aren't interested in emp, there are possibly some people who take days off work and put real time and effort in, just to be smashed by some people breaking the rules of the game.

Maybe ZOS should change the way AP is awarded, like having a cooldown on AP gains if you defend the same keep against the same players?

Let me know what you think

This is why Cyrodil needs a FULL reset when the score resets. Even the quests because some people save those for the reset score too.

Soriana

Was accosted by a guildmate in a campaign last week when a group of us were actually *gasp* playing the game and PVP'ing. They were on another alliance and called out in both guild chat and whispers to leave the area so their friend could get emp.

Imagine the audacity of PVP'ing in a PVP zone...

spartaxoxo

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I don't know why any self-respecting player would even want to be "Emperor" if the title and achievement had absolutely no real meaning because it was "earned" through a completely bogus method.

The costume

xinvidiousx

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

With paying for a trial carry, you have a goal you don't have the time/skill to achieve on your own, so you pay others to help you achieve it. For some people all they want is a cool costume and a shiny dye or to check a box, and it's not about bragging rights or a sense of accomplishment. I totally get that, and frankly I see no issue in paying for trial carries. I don't feel diminished in my legitimate achievement of vMoL when I see hundreds of other people with that skin. My cool mount isn't cool because of rarity, it's cool because of looks. That's how I feel about these things generally.

In PvP however, you're climbing the ladder to emperor by stepping on the heads of other people who are struggling to get the same thing but legitimately. That's rude and not cool. People put a lot of time and effort and hard work into trying to become emperor, and then some dude and his buddies come cheese their way to the top and make all that work useless. That's not the kind of environment I'd want to encourage in my MMO.

I would love to be emperor someday. Just for five seconds, so I can unlock the costume and the dye and then leave the campaign so someone else can have it. But I'll never get there, because I don't have the time, probably not the skill, and certainly not enough friends. It saddens me greatly because that costume is amazing. Still not going to pay for or cheese it. Maybe it'll be my last achievement, many years in the future, just before they take down the servers and kill the game for good.

same, just would be nice to have one campaign out of the 5? (forget how many but cp for me lol) that wasnt boosting so im not bored. also many of the diehard 18+ hours a da6y players are farming AP to sell, no better than bots tbh (though guaranteed half of them will whinge about them)

be nice to see a cooldown timer (12+ hours) on aliance changes. as well...

Oreyn_Bearclaw

It was being openly discussed in the Evergloam zone chat by people doing this last night in zone chat (PC/NA). They were letting keeps be taken on purpose to lose emp so they could boost the next guy. ZOS DOES NOT CARE, and it is frankly disgusting that they do nothing about it.

Temp bans do nothing after the fact. Perma ban or at the least, strip the title and reset AP to zero. They wont, but they should.

spartaxoxo

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

It was being openly discussed in the Evergloam zone chat by people doing this last night in zone chat (PC/NA). They were letting keeps be taken on purpose to lose emp so they could boost the next guy. ZOS DOES NOT CARE, and it is frankly disgusting that they do nothing about it.

Temp bans do nothing after the fact. Perma ban or at the least, strip the title and reset AP to zero. They wont, but they should.

This explains why I someone calling out for help in zone chat where a yellow keep was being taken over by a red zerg. They had worked on it off and one for a while and then complained about a ton of red swarming. It and I'm like it's a yellow home keep and our side is nowhere near there, why would we care if Red takes it? And someone replied the person shouting was AD trash.

I get it now.

mickeyx

I hope you will report them. This is not PVP this is just blatant exploiting the game mechanics.

wolfbone

MirelaUmbrella wrote: »

So today in Evergloam on PC EU, me and my fiancée were playing at the time the campaign resetted. We noticed the person in first place had 500k score in 25 minutes (with no low pop). Of course this isn't impossible by legitimate means, but it seemed fishy considering the second place was only on 100k and this first place player was nowhere to be seen. I ported around our keeps for a while and came across a group of around 8 players split across two alliances generating defensive ticks over and over for this one player.

One of the guys who was doing the exploit whispered my fiancée "tell your wife to leave this keep, let us do our business", which confirmed to me that they were indeed exploiting def ticks to get this guy emp

I didn't make a scene out of it in zone chat at first because I didn't really have any concrete evidence, but later on I mentioned it and one of the players involved with the boosting said this:



To my surprise, a lot of people in zone chat were defending these actions, insulting us for speaking out about it, and threatened to do it again

So what do you think about this? Should ZOS be punishing players for exploiting in PvP just as they punished players who exploited for skins and such in PvE?

I also want to clarify that while me and my fiancée aren't interested in emp, there are possibly some people who take days off work and put real time and effort in, just to be smashed by some people breaking the rules of the game.

Maybe ZOS should change the way AP is awarded, like having a cooldown on AP gains if you defend the same keep against the same players?

Let me know what you think

I dont think there's a way to stop the ap exploitation, but cool downs on AP would be a bad idea, as some battles can last a while with the enemy constantly respawning at a nearby keep and keep riding over. I feel a AP cool down would put people off defending the same place till the opposing forces either left or where wiped out and gave up

Girl_Number8

You can still get empress without cheating if you are a seasoned PvPer and good at it. That is the truth.

That said, boosters that are abusing the campaign to such levels are not PvPers in anyway.

They are a disgrace to every PvPer, and they're cheaters. Worse then any meta or proc set out there. Simply, they should lose their accounts and be permanently banned. Just like the gold sellers because they are no better.

That is a solution that would slow it down by having actual consequences for ones actions.

Players have gotten banned for exploiting trials, they should for this too.

Make sure though that you have real evidence and are not just assuming. There are legit PvP guilds and reporting someone is a serious matter.

Sju

Temp ban, strip their achievement, the title, the costume, then restrict them from ever achieving it again.

madman65

In another post, someone was boasting about getting Emperorship within 20 hours. Seems like there is a problem, just putting it out there.