Important! CP rate was adjusted

Env_t · February 2021

Patchnotes on PTS stated:

this is how it looks like:

LIVE CP

PTS CP

Env_t · February 2021

from my understanding, they just forgot to change it?

zaria · February 2021

Env_t wrote: »

from my understanding, they just forgot to change it?

yes, for one the +50% xp needed for cp level above cap should not be in so cost for next level for him should be around 500K.

That is with no other changes.

seecodenotgames · February 2021

What I'm curious though is why the next point is blue on live, but red on PTS with the same values.

Env_t · February 2021

seecodenotgames wrote: »

What I'm curious though is why the next point is blue on live, but red on PTS with the same values.

its because there is another group of starts on PTS

Xuhora · February 2021

Lastly, we adjusted the rate at which you gain CP to be faster than it currently is on the live servers. Considering we haven’t raised the cap by 30 per patch in quite some time, we adjusted the CP curve to accommodate for that difference with a focus on speeding up the gain between 810 CP and roughly 1200 CP. This means you’ll gain CP levels faster at lower levels, and the rate at which you gain CP between 810 and 1200 (ish) will be slightly faster than how it is now with CP 1.0. After 1200 CP or so, the CP gain rate will feel about the same as it did in CP 1.0 once you reached higher ranks.

This is from the addendum of wheeler in the combat changes thread.
so its pretty much a oversight that the XP for CP 989 on live and pts have the same values

zaria · February 2021

Xuhora wrote: »

Lastly, we adjusted the rate at which you gain CP to be faster than it currently is on the live servers. Considering we haven’t raised the cap by 30 per patch in quite some time, we adjusted the CP curve to accommodate for that difference with a focus on speeding up the gain between 810 CP and roughly 1200 CP. This means you’ll gain CP levels faster at lower levels, and the rate at which you gain CP between 810 and 1200 (ish) will be slightly faster than how it is now with CP 1.0. After 1200 CP or so, the CP gain rate will feel about the same as it did in CP 1.0 once you reached higher ranks.

This is from the addendum of wheeler in the combat changes thread.
so its pretty much a oversight that the XP for CP 989 on live and pts have the same values

Its ignoring the fact that cp levels above cap has an +50% cost as they are above cap.

cost of getting an new cp level.
(((x / (cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000) if x ≤ cap
(((x / (cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000 * 1.5) if x > cap
x is your current number of Champion Points.

898 to 899 fits well with 539026*1,5=808538 who is the 1.5 penalty of being above cap.
In short they uses the old calculation system without changes and an legacy 810 speed bump.

No I don't expect them to use the old formula with an cap of 3600 as it would only require 120 K XP from 809 to 810 and probably bump most of us veterans to 3600 at once but the penalty for being above 810 makes no sense.

Env_t · February 2021

@ZOS_BrianWheeler hello! can you please explain when CP exp adjustements will be added to PTS, you said about them in Combat section
also patchnotes stated its changed

but its not true and misleading, as you can see from first post proofs

Env_t · February 2021

i guess need to wait for next patches

seecodenotgames · February 2021

Looks like it has been fixed in the patch notes. I'm curious to know how much difference it makes to characters over 810 and over 1200.

"Fixed an issue where the adjustments to the Champion Point experience curve mentioned in the original notes was not properly working."

PizzaCat82 · February 2021

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Sgrug · February 2021

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Anyone above CP 1200 will see no difference at all.

TwinLamps · February 2021

Seeing that we will need about 2.5k for PvP to be viable outside pure zerging...
:XpanD:

Sgrug · February 2021

TwinLamps wrote: »

Seeing that we will need about 2.5k for PvP to be viable outside pure zerging...
:XpanD:

Just not right. At most maybe someone can say CP 1200 to effectively min/max for pvp. 2500 is just scaremongering.

AlnilamE · February 2021

Sgrug wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Anyone above CP 1200 will see no difference at all.

That makes no sense unless they are keeping the cap at 810 and only adjusting the pre-cap part of the formula.

If we still have NA characters on PTS when it comes back from maintenance, I will let you know. I currently have 1418 CP and it takes 1.13 million XP per point.

AlnilamE · February 2021

We have EU characters now. So I can only check 810 CP. It requires 362,842 XP to get to 811

Env_t · February 2021

@Sgrug lol?
install pts and test
for effective PVP you need 2700 CP

Sgrug · February 2021

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Anyone above CP 1200 will see no difference at all.

That makes no sense unless they are keeping the cap at 810 and only adjusting the pre-cap part of the formula.

If we still have NA characters on PTS when it comes back from maintenance, I will let you know. I currently have 1418 CP and it takes 1.13 million XP per point.

From all I read there will be no conversion from the old CP to the new, what you have is where you will be. Above 1200 the XP rate will be the same as the old system, ergo my comment anyone above 1200 will see no difference, meaning no change in CP rate of XP.

Env_t · February 2021

on PTS

WTF is this

AlnilamE · February 2021

Sgrug wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Anyone above CP 1200 will see no difference at all.

That makes no sense unless they are keeping the cap at 810 and only adjusting the pre-cap part of the formula.

If we still have NA characters on PTS when it comes back from maintenance, I will let you know. I currently have 1418 CP and it takes 1.13 million XP per point.

From all I read there will be no conversion from the old CP to the new, what you have is where you will be. Above 1200 the XP rate will be the same as the old system, ergo my comment anyone above 1200 will see no difference, meaning no change in CP rate of XP.

I know that the CP amount will not change.

But they adjusted the formula, so at 810 CP you now need 362k XP (before it would have been something like 420K).

I don't think they are going to just change the formula below 1200, while making the 1200+ crowd earn CP as if the cap was still 810. That's overly complicating the formula.

Sgrug · February 2021

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Anyone above CP 1200 will see no difference at all.

That makes no sense unless they are keeping the cap at 810 and only adjusting the pre-cap part of the formula.

If we still have NA characters on PTS when it comes back from maintenance, I will let you know. I currently have 1418 CP and it takes 1.13 million XP per point.

From all I read there will be no conversion from the old CP to the new, what you have is where you will be. Above 1200 the XP rate will be the same as the old system, ergo my comment anyone above 1200 will see no difference, meaning no change in CP rate of XP.

I know that the CP amount will not change.

But they adjusted the formula, so at 810 CP you now need 362k XP (before it would have been something like 420K).

I don't think they are going to just change the formula below 1200, while making the 1200+ crowd earn CP as if the cap was still 810. That's overly complicating the formula.

They are and it was always that way, the higher your CP gets the more XP you need to get the next CP

Env_t · February 2021

first post updated with new devastating info

Env_t · February 2021

@AlnilamE check first post

Parrot1986 · February 2021

Sgrug wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Anyone above CP 1200 will see no difference at all.

That makes no sense unless they are keeping the cap at 810 and only adjusting the pre-cap part of the formula.

If we still have NA characters on PTS when it comes back from maintenance, I will let you know. I currently have 1418 CP and it takes 1.13 million XP per point.

From all I read there will be no conversion from the old CP to the new, what you have is where you will be. Above 1200 the XP rate will be the same as the old system, ergo my comment anyone above 1200 will see no difference, meaning no change in CP rate of XP.

I have 1400 CP and need 1.1m for each CP on live on PTS I need 900k XP for a CP so there’s a benefit beyond 1200 as well.

Ranger209 · February 2021

Xuhora wrote: »

Lastly, we adjusted the rate at which you gain CP to be faster than it currently is on the live servers. Considering we haven’t raised the cap by 30 per patch in quite some time, we adjusted the CP curve to accommodate for that difference with a focus on speeding up the gain between 810 CP and roughly 1200 CP. This means you’ll gain CP levels faster at lower levels, and the rate at which you gain CP between 810 and 1200 (ish) will be slightly faster than how it is now with CP 1.0. After 1200 CP or so, the CP gain rate will feel about the same as it did in CP 1.0 once you reached higher ranks.

This is from the addendum of wheeler in the combat changes thread.
so its pretty much a oversight that the XP for CP 989 on live and pts have the same values

When saying something like "higher ranks" 1200 is not in the higher ranks any longer. Proportionally speaking 1200 with a cap of 3600 is like 270 with a cap of 810, it is only .3333 of the way to cap. Higher ranks to me would be those above cap which is now 3600. Being some of these CP cost 50-100 CP just to unlock it that is going to be a very long time playing before you can upgrade your character in any fashion. I don't look for this to last long if it goes live like that, there is plenty of bemoaning already. If it goes live it will become deafening.

zaria · February 2021

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Anyone above CP 1200 will see no difference at all.

That makes no sense unless they are keeping the cap at 810 and only adjusting the pre-cap part of the formula.

If we still have NA characters on PTS when it comes back from maintenance, I will let you know. I currently have 1418 CP and it takes 1.13 million XP per point.

From all I read there will be no conversion from the old CP to the new, what you have is where you will be. Above 1200 the XP rate will be the same as the old system, ergo my comment anyone above 1200 will see no difference, meaning no change in CP rate of XP.

I know that the CP amount will not change.

But they adjusted the formula, so at 810 CP you now need 362k XP (before it would have been something like 420K).

I don't think they are going to just change the formula below 1200, while making the 1200+ crowd earn CP as if the cap was still 810. That's overly complicating the formula.

The existing formula is
(((x / (cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000) if x ≤ cap
(((x / (cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000 * 1.5) if x > cap
Where cap is 810.
The same is true on current PTS down to single xp accuracy.
Yes you still get an x1.5 penalty for being above 810 for reasons

The grind is real.

PizzaCat82 · February 2021

Maybe I'll just start using xp pots and scrolls to do everything on my main guy just for fun.

AlnilamE · February 2021

Sgrug wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Anyone above CP 1200 will see no difference at all.

That makes no sense unless they are keeping the cap at 810 and only adjusting the pre-cap part of the formula.

If we still have NA characters on PTS when it comes back from maintenance, I will let you know. I currently have 1418 CP and it takes 1.13 million XP per point.

From all I read there will be no conversion from the old CP to the new, what you have is where you will be. Above 1200 the XP rate will be the same as the old system, ergo my comment anyone above 1200 will see no difference, meaning no change in CP rate of XP.

I know that the CP amount will not change.

But they adjusted the formula, so at 810 CP you now need 362k XP (before it would have been something like 420K).

I don't think they are going to just change the formula below 1200, while making the 1200+ crowd earn CP as if the cap was still 810. That's overly complicating the formula.

They are and it was always that way, the higher your CP gets the more XP you need to get the next CP

Yes. But what they have done is move the "Cap" to 1020 and keep the same formula.

Env_t wrote: »

@AlnilamE check first post

I did, but I don't see any actual edit. The XP curve has been adjusted on PTS and the new cap is 1020 (though we can use CP after that).

zaria wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

So those of us with CP 1500+ plus will be gaining CP like we usually do with no boost at all.
Gotcha.

Anyone above CP 1200 will see no difference at all.

That makes no sense unless they are keeping the cap at 810 and only adjusting the pre-cap part of the formula.

If we still have NA characters on PTS when it comes back from maintenance, I will let you know. I currently have 1418 CP and it takes 1.13 million XP per point.

From all I read there will be no conversion from the old CP to the new, what you have is where you will be. Above 1200 the XP rate will be the same as the old system, ergo my comment anyone above 1200 will see no difference, meaning no change in CP rate of XP.

I know that the CP amount will not change.

But they adjusted the formula, so at 810 CP you now need 362k XP (before it would have been something like 420K).

I don't think they are going to just change the formula below 1200, while making the 1200+ crowd earn CP as if the cap was still 810. That's overly complicating the formula.

The existing formula is
(((x / (cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000) if x ≤ cap
(((x / (cap ^ 0.995)) + 0.085) * 400000 * 1.5) if x > cap
Where cap is 810.
The same is true on current PTS down to single xp accuracy.
Yes you still get an x1.5 penalty for being above 810 for reasons

The grind is real.

Yeah. They just changed the "cap" to 1020. Yikes!

Not sure why they want to have a penalty after the cap. It's going to take us long enough to get to 3600 either way.

Luke_Flamesword · February 2021

Yeah. They just changed the "cap" to 1020. Yikes!

1020 is probably a mistake with not intended "0" between "1" and "2", they told about 1200, so I assume that there will be cap

Sgrug · February 2021

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

Yeah. They just changed the "cap" to 1020. Yikes!

1020 is probably a mistake with not intended "0" between "1" and "2", they told about 1200, so I assume that there will be cap

They have been clear, there will be no cap, you can earn CP up to 3600 and it can be used, though you will end up seeing more horizontal options with CP

Env_t · February 2021

please anyone with CP above 1200, can you post picture of how many exp per CP you have?