Nightblades nerf

Casandra

Might as well remove the whole class, nightblades have been nerfed to the ground and not playable in pvp after this patch. 21% reduction on damage, don't you find this excessive, what other class has this huge of a nerf on skills? Just not a viable class in pvp.anymore.....

Nairinhe

Did I miss something in the patch notes? Where does that 21% come from?

fred4

It's the Snipe nerf, isn't it? As if that was the only thing nightblades do.

ErMurazor

Kinda suprised that ZoS nerfed snipe that hard. THE casual pug skill numero uno.

Grimlok_S

Meanwhile if you compare the tooltips, PTS numbers are higher than live without CP factored into either.

Wait no, the sky is falling!

FrancisCrawford

A class that is particularly strong in critical damage is going to suffer from the likely reductions in crit chance pretty automatically.

Nairinhe

Personally, I rarely use snipe. It feels like I can go and make myself a cup of tea while it gets cast. Now it gets cheaper and faster, so at least this should be taken into account.
But if snipe is what defines you as a nightblade, you aren't a nightblade.

Tommy_The_Gun

Changes to snipe looks like ZOS is trying to minimize health de-syncs. They reduced cast time & increased travel time - as those contributed the most to this issue. Snipe was only able to actually do something nasty if it de-synced - so the "receiving end" would get hit by 2 or 3 snipes in one moment - with no chance to react.

So, even though they nerfed dmg (they had to nerf something, because of skill power budget), Snipe would not be able to do much in current meta, unless you are lucky and find someone with less than 30K health.

It seems that it will be new "pew pew" toy, as only advantage this skill has is incredible range.

I am actually seriously thinking that most bow builds next patch will use Poison Arrow & morphs as this skill has no cast time and actually, comparable dmg (PTS).

erio

A decent nightblade doesnt even slot snipe

JayKwellen

erio wrote: »

A decent nightblade doesnt even slot snipe

fred4

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

A class that is particularly strong in critical damage is going to suffer from the likely reductions in crit chance pretty automatically.

Unless they're wearing Acuity.

FrancisCrawford

fred4 wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

A class that is particularly strong in critical damage is going to suffer from the likely reductions in crit chance pretty automatically.

Unless they're wearing Acuity.

Fair enough, for burst-only PvP.

NagualV

I posted this in the pts champion point thread but I'll post here since it's a nightblade thread.....anyone tested the new 'slippery' champion skill? It's a free, automatic break free every 18 secs. On first day of PTS I slotted it and messed around dueling some magdk's......it essentially turns breaking free from fossilized Into autopilot mode. It breaks you free Instantly, and automatically. You just have to dodge roll lol. Easy mode. I wonder if any other folks have tested or have thoughts on it....

Grimlok_S

NagualV wrote: »

I posted this in the pts champion point thread but I'll post here since it's a nightblade thread.....anyone tested the new 'slippery' champion skill? It's a free, automatic break free every 18 secs. On first day of PTS I slotted it and messed around dueling some magdk's......it essentially turns breaking free from fossilized Into autopilot mode. It breaks you free Instantly, and automatically. You just have to dodge roll lol. Easy mode. I wonder if any other folks have tested or have thoughts on it....

Now we have sets AND CP that can play the game for us. Woo!

Raegwyr

Well snipe is just one of not so many playstyles nb excels at. No brawlerblade for you because you are too squishy. Gank is hard af during this very tanky meta. Sniper is gone. Magblade as pvp class is a joke but at least you can be a bomber.
Overall snipe change is good, just blades needs a little redesign

Merlin13KAGL

Range or damage needed to go anyway. The range on that skill is ridiculous as is, let alone with the extension from the Alliance war line.

Some silence areas need extended too, apparently, since some want to hide on their perch and just try to spam for bow kills.

Get in the damn fight.

Raegwyr

Fawn4287 wrote: »

erio wrote: »

A decent nightblade doesnt even slot snipe

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Imagine they even manage to fix the cloak before the nerfs (buggiest skill in entire game for years)

Fawn4287

Raegwyr wrote: »

Fawn4287 wrote: »

erio wrote: »

A decent nightblade doesnt even slot snipe

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Imagine they even manage to fix the cloak before the nerfs (buggiest skill in entire game for years)

A concept fit only for the imagination unfortunately

Xeniph

NagualV wrote: »

I posted this in the pts champion point thread but I'll post here since it's a nightblade thread.....anyone tested the new 'slippery' champion skill? It's a free, automatic break free every 18 secs. On first day of PTS I slotted it and messed around dueling some magdk's......it essentially turns breaking free from fossilized Into autopilot mode. It breaks you free Instantly, and automatically. You just have to dodge roll lol. Easy mode. I wonder if any other folks have tested or have thoughts on it....

This also has me concerned.

1) It makes tactical stuns in pvp less effective for everyone and also triggering a lot of passive mitigation from "While immunne to CC" effects, virtually automatic.

2) Ganking will suffer greatly from this "perk". As the stun from sneak and abilities during the opening is critical for most engagements success.

3) it completely renders one half of a Nightblade's Master Assassin passive moot in pvp.

Now, I realize a lot of people dislike this type of playstyle and/or being a victim of it, hence the hate for years. However most people fail to realize the benefits they get from having people that do this on their side.

ivramirez

Casandra wrote: »

Might as well remove the whole class, nightblades have been nerfed to the ground and not playable in pvp after this patch. 21% reduction on damage, don't you find this excessive, what other class has this huge of a nerf on skills? Just not a viable class in pvp.anymore.....

Play what the game push you to play... WW, malacth, proc set, HP and heavy builds

Dr_Ganknstein

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Meanwhile if you compare the tooltips, PTS numbers are higher than live without CP factored into either.

Wait no, the sky is falling!

The tooltip is slightly higher, like 80 damage higher only because you get an extra 1000 weapon damage. Snipe is a very mediocre ability and if you aren't a squishy glass canon you aren't hitting for squat with it. I think with this change they should look into changing lethal arrow also since minor defile is trash and only lasts for 4 seconds. If anyone disagrees I encourage you to slot snipe on your non-gank setup and go into pvp.

People like to talk smack about using snipe but show me one 1vX video of a player using Snipe and I'll show you 100 more of someone using dizzy. I want to see someone be effective with snipe on a non-gank non-nb build.

NagualV

Xeniph wrote: »

NagualV wrote: »

I posted this in the pts champion point thread but I'll post here since it's a nightblade thread.....anyone tested the new 'slippery' champion skill? It's a free, automatic break free every 18 secs. On first day of PTS I slotted it and messed around dueling some magdk's......it essentially turns breaking free from fossilized Into autopilot mode. It breaks you free Instantly, and automatically. You just have to dodge roll lol. Easy mode. I wonder if any other folks have tested or have thoughts on it....

This also has me concerned.

1) It makes tactical stuns in pvp less effective for everyone and also triggering a lot of passive mitigation from "While immunne to CC" effects, virtually automatic.

2) Ganking will suffer greatly from this "perk". As the stun from sneak and abilities during the opening is critical for most engagements success.

3) it completely renders one half of a Nightblade's Master Assassin passive moot in pvp.

Now, I realize a lot of people dislike this type of playstyle and/or being a victim of it, hence the hate for years. However most people fail to realize the benefits they get from having people that do this on their side.

Yeah although I was benefitting from the 'skill' while testing it, I also had similar thoughts about my build/class. It's already hard to land assassins will/soul harvest. This champion 'skill' completely automates, INSTANTLY, break free. And it's free, every 18 secs. While I was dueling the magdk's, I only had to focus on dodge rolling, and the magdk's simply could not pin me down. The moment you're fossilized, dodge roll, that's it! I wear wild hunt, good luck ever catching me again lol.

To me, it seemed like the game was playing for me....

Pauls

Its good NB bow[snip] spammers got a nerf, totally appceriate

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Nick_Balza

The nerf could be fair if other most abused skills (like jabs/streaks/leaps/swings) would be nerfed too. But now it just looks like nightblades lost another one (more if we will include passives) tools from their effective toolkit.

Or, probably ZOS is trying to force people to buy Markarth DLC for getting vateshran bow (actually, which compensates lack of snipe damage)

Goregrinder

Don't worry man, they're increasing the projectile travel time and decreasing the cast time to below the GCD. There will be new setups to make snipe work as well as it does right now, we will just have to adjust to the change in playstyle. 21% damage reduction is a lot of lost burst out of the gate, but people will brew up ways to make up for the damage elsewhere. Either using different gear setups, race changing, different buffs, etc. I think you will notice the nerf in burst the most in CP, but honestly if I have to snipe 1 or 2 more times to kill someone it's not a big deal, especially with the range it has.

For CP, people will figure out allocation setups that will make up for the damage in some way. I mean malacath on snipe builds might even become the new snipe meta (for instance). We're losing some crit, so we just have to boost that damage in other areas. I am sure a few of us gankers will figure out the CP 2.0 tree and find a new way of snipe ganking. Who knows, maybe even the Vateshran bow (which is sort of useless to use right now) might be viable for ganking when the patch drops. Like a melee gankblade but with Vateshran bow front bar....w

Who knows, we will figure it out though...we always do.

QuebraRegra

ErMurazor wrote: »

Kinda suprised that ZoS nerfed snipe that hard. THE casual pug skill numero uno.

I still use SNIPE in PVE... I might have been the last. Gone now fer sure... because PVP? FFS!

Some will choose not to remember when the NB core skill Refreshing PATH lost it's damage ability.

Provin915

QuebraRegra wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

Kinda suprised that ZoS nerfed snipe that hard. THE casual pug skill numero uno.

I still use SNIPE in PVE... I might have been the last. Gone now fer sure... because PVP? FFS!

Some will choose not to remember when the NB core skill Refreshing PATH lost it's damage ability.

I use snipe too in PvE! Trying to keep the bow/bow alive ^^

Grimlok_S

QuebraRegra wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

Kinda suprised that ZoS nerfed snipe that hard. THE casual pug skill numero uno.

I still use SNIPE in PVE... I might have been the last. Gone now fer sure... because PVP? FFS!

Some will choose not to remember when the NB core skill Refreshing PATH lost it's damage ability.

Your dps will see a net increase spamming snipe. You can now light attack on GCD.