NO NEW CLASS?!

Glacku808

So you are telling me there is essentially no new gameplay coming? No new class or skill lines?

Well, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna be saving some money this year.

Thevampirenight

I was actually expecting this, because here is the thing, they mentioned they don't want to focus on any new systems until they address the performance which is their prime priority.
They stated this in the letter Matt Sent out to the community. Looks like they were being very serious about doing just that.
They want to get performance in a good spot, since its not the best it could be.
Plus we are going to be able to unlock two unique companions to be there for us throughout all the other content and that should be interesting.

Chaos2088

trackdemon5512

No New Class
No New Race
No New Skill Line

NEW SERVERS
CP SYSTEM 2.0 REWORK
COMPANIONS

Yeah I’ll take the latter over the former any day at this point.

Qyrk

Well, I’ll tell you what, this shouldn’t come as a surprised since they told us less new systems for 2021. Read the letter from December .

Tremuto

Y'all complaining that there's no new class or skill line are the same people who will complain that either those things are broken and need to be tuned/nerfed, or that it doesn't work and needs to be fixed.

Y'all will complain about anything.

Katahdin

They have also said they arent giving us any more character slots so maybe they dont want to make people have to delete characters?

MashmalloMan

I didn't want 1 anyway... but no 1h + rune, no spellcrafting, not even a new basic guild skill line is pretty dissapointing especially after last years non combat focussed mechanic. New gear obtained through a minigame does not count as a new combat system improvement when we get new sets all the time.

But.. idk, I'm kinda interested in having a companion. It really depends how smart the ai is and how customizable they are. I happen to enjoy pve and pvp so it's still something I can use.. but for strictly pvp players, this is a big OOF. Every other chapter there was at least something to play around with..

Jewelry crafting and psijic order.
Warden.
Necro.
Mythics.

What are they going to do with a companion that only works in pve? It's very short sited..

That being said, I'm super excited for the free updates, CP System looks fantastic, armor changes look fun, sticker book was fantastic and I'm sure they have more stuff like that planned for the future.

Companions really felt like something they came up with very late into developement as they barely hyped it up during the stream.. like at all.

actosh

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

No New Class
No New Race
No New Skill Line

NEW SERVERS
CP SYSTEM 2.0 REWORK
COMPANIONS

Yeah I’ll take the latter over the former any day at this point.

Same here, except for companions. They shouldn't work in trials, dungeons.

MashmalloMan

actosh wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

No New Class
No New Race
No New Skill Line

NEW SERVERS
CP SYSTEM 2.0 REWORK
COMPANIONS

Yeah I’ll take the latter over the former any day at this point.

Same here, except for companions. They shouldn't work in trials, dungeons.

They should, but they probably take up a player spot and there is absolutely no way they will be better than a competent end game player.

So imagine this.. you're in a 12 man trial and 1 of your dps dips out, instead of going through the rest of the dungeon with 11 people because you can't find anyone, you have an AI sub in for you. The dps and healing of that AI is not enough to replace a player, but it's much better than having nothing at all.

This solves any problem of creating 6 man /6 AI comps, while also giving us the freedom to do what we want with them.

The reverse is they don't take up a slot and we have 12 players + 12 AI. That would destroy the games performance and ruin balance so they're NOT going to do this.

The third option is they don't allow them to be used at all in harder content like Vet Dungeons, Trials and 4 man arenas... but then when would we EVER use them? For overland where you 1 shot all mobs? That would only serve to help brand new players or players farming experience or items..

So I'm willing to bet right now, they take up a player spot in a group, but they're like half as strong as a real player. This also explains why they can not be used in solo arena's where you can not bring in group members, because your companion counts as a group member.

actosh

They stated in stream that they won't work in solo arenas and for pvp they most likely won't work

YandereGirlfriend

Qyrk wrote: »

Well, I’ll tell you what, this shouldn’t come as a surprised since they told us less new systems for 2021. Read the letter from December .

People keep saying this but the companions ARE an entirely new game system.

So they gave us one... just not one that does anything to expand existing gameplay or that is even usable in PvP.

renne

MashmalloMan wrote: »

The third option is they don't allow them to be used at all in harder content like Vet Dungeons, Trials and 4 man arenas... but then when would we EVER use them? For overland where you 1 shot all mobs? That would only serve to help brand new players or players farming experience or items..

Harrowstorm rewards are trash so you wouldn't ever do them but I can imagine them helping out there, with dragons, and with the world bosses in Murkmire. Maybe the world bosses in the other chapter areas for others since they're a bit harder than the base game ones if no one else is around.

The roleplayers are gonna love them.

Yamenstein

Glacku808 wrote: »

So you are telling me there is essentially no new gameplay coming? No new class or skill lines?

Well, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna be saving some money this year.

Why "no new gameplay"? We have a reworked CP system + companions as well. I'm glad they are focusing on the current systems and fixing things - hopefully it works out and isn't a waste! At the same time, I hope that come Q4 we get a new skill line, or a new system in some way.

Azyle1

Everyone says its ok for there not to be new stuff because they will fix performance..

But uhh.. they have said that for years now. Why do we believe them now, again?

coop500

Azyle1 wrote: »

Everyone says its ok for there not to be new stuff because they will fix performance..

But uhh.. they have said that for years now. Why do we believe them now, again?

This lol

lucky_Sage

I was a little hyped then after reveal hype then new servers and cp 2.0 hype came back more than before

TX12001rwb17_ESO

In Character Creation it looks like this..

Dragonknight Templar Sorcerer
Nightblade Warden Necromancer

If they added another class it would look like this...

Dragonknight Templar Sorcerer
Nightblade Warden Necromancer
New Class

This would trigger OCD so best they stick with 6 classes otherwise they would need to add 2 more classes to fill out the list so it looks like this...

Dragonknight Templar Sorcerer
Nightblade Warden Necromancer
New Class New Class New Class

And that would take years...

zvavi

If there will be a new class/skill line/race/weapon, it would be revealed closer to q2, before the chapter. Anything before that is just speculations.

Katahdin

The other thing is every time the have made a new class, they have nerfed the other classes and stolen things from them to give to the new class and made them OP. So no I dont want any more new classes just to see the old ones get watered down even more.

Cirantille

Time to appreciate some stuff, too.

I can't express enough how happy I am that they recognized that servers are not enough for the new-grown population in the game because they are outdated and they will invest

Waiting with hopes

JamieAubrey

Nope and wont be for a while

techyeshic

Well the servers aren't expected to improve performance, but if they do make some progress that is good on fixes and improves performance, I'll buy their expansion just in support. Throw in a permanent end to the proc meta and ill buy the freaking collectors edition.

Way I see it; people spend as much just trying to get a mount. I can get 2 and other loot without gambling if nothing else.

CaptainBones

I had low expectations and I'm still disappointed.

Many expected a new class since it usually goes class/feature/class/feature and it was Blackwood's turn for a class but i knew they would probably pull a shadowlands and skip a new class which i was fine with as long as we got something else.

So i already went in knowing we probably wouldn't get a class so i was thinking maybe a new skill line. Nope.

Ok, so they're skipping a class AND a skill line. Maybe a new weapon type? Nope.

Ok, maybe another highly requested feature like spellcrafting as a nod to oblivion? Nope.

Ok, so no new class, skill line, weapon type or other feature related to weapons/abilities/classes. That is really disappointing. Maybe a playable daedric race since this expansion is themed around mehrunes, there's a lot of daedric themed motifs and we are actually working with a daedra. Nope. Not even that.

What we do get, however, is companions of which we've only seen two so far. We don't need these in 99% of the content considering it's already faceroll and an entire segment of the community (PvP) can't use them anyway. The only place these would be useful is in trials which i doubt will allow companions. So it's only good for RP but how many do we get? Will there be a handful and we see everyone running around with duplicates which totally breaks immersion? Who knows.

Also, no, new servers is NOT an expansion feature ffs so stop listing it as if it were comparable to the likes of warden/necro/jewelry crafting ect. Performance has been an issue for many years and it has got to the point where people are leaving and/or cancelling their subs because of it. I've seen everything from casual players to hardcore vets complain about it and new and improved servers for better performance is expected. And i also love how they're talking about new servers because they know the problems that have persisted for years with regards to performance YET they add companions which is counterintuitive to this focus on better performance. Yet more NPC's on top of pets and summons. Nice.

And oblivion gates aren't a new feature either. It's dolmens 10.0.

So the only truly unique addition we get in Blackwood by the looks of it is companions and if that's the case then this is arguably an all time low. I will be keeping an eye out for more info but so far I'm really disappointed. I've been on a TES kick recently playing through Skyrim again and planning on going through Morrowind and Oblivion and i went into this stream still kinda hyped but with realistic or lowered expectations. I was loving it up until they pretty much called it a wrap and i realised they announced one new feature that i have no use for/don't care about. They could announce a new unique mount for pre-orders, though.

Oh well. Guess I'm going back to III/IV/V.

James-Wayne

Your over looking the fact we have CP 2.0 which has a wealth (Brian said 99) different passives currently which is in itself a new skill line with a heap of custom options... and this one is free for everyone, not in June but next patch!

There is more then enough changes happening for this year!

Jayroo

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

No New Class
No New Race
No New Skill Line

NEW SERVERS
CP SYSTEM 2.0 REWORK
COMPANIONS

Yeah I’ll take the latter over the former any day at this point.

They said the servers likely won't have much impact on performance. It is very good regardless though

Saubon

Do we get CP 2.0, bug fixes and new servers without buying a chapter? ...asking for a friend :P

The_Old_Goat

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

Well, I’ll tell you what, this shouldn’t come as a surprised since they told us less new systems for 2021. Read the letter from December .

People keep saying this but the companions ARE an entirely new game system.

So they gave us one... just not one that does anything to expand existing gameplay or that is even usable in PvP.

Well they didn't say no new systems, just less.

Firstmep

Glacku808 wrote: »

So you are telling me there is essentially no new gameplay coming? No new class or skill lines?

Well, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna be saving some money this year.

The signs were already out there, they specifically said no new class a while back, and for new systems we had Rich post about that not to long ago.
Still this is looking like the smallest chapter yet, and definetly not worth the price tag.

Sarousse

Obviously no new class, they were too busy focusing on the brand new PVP content for 2021 !

OH WAIT...

Firstmep

Sarousse wrote: »

Obviously no new class, they were too busy focusing on the brand new PVP content for 2021 !

OH WAIT...

I like how ppl theorized big cyrodiil reworks and NOPE just the same old formula Zos used for years, carbon copy, even the story.
Ah ppl never learn xD.