MagPlar Heavy Attack Build - Undaunted Infiltrator

LeoRJBrazil

In my Heavy Attack build, I am using Infalllible Aether and Undaunted Infiltrator (UI) to maximize the damage but UI is a stam based set and I am using in rings and weapons. Is there any other set I can use instead of UI, that could maximize dps?

FrancisCrawford

LeoRJBrazil wrote: »

In my Heavy Attack build, I am using Infalllible Aether and Undaunted Infiltrator (UI) to maximize the damage but UI is a stam based set and I am using in rings and weapons. Is there any other set I can use instead of UI, that could maximize dps?

Undaunted Unweaver?
Noble Duelist?

LeoRJBrazil

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

LeoRJBrazil wrote: »

In my Heavy Attack build, I am using Infalllible Aether and Undaunted Infiltrator (UI) to maximize the damage but UI is a stam based set and I am using in rings and weapons. Is there any other set I can use instead of UI, that could maximize dps?

Undaunted Unweaver?
Noble Duelist?

My point has regarding of up-time to maximaze dmg.

UI is procs every mgk skill, bu t Undaunted Unwaever only after using stam Skill. Noble Dualist only procs at melee range. It seems to me the build for Undaunted Infiltrator still the best option.

zvavi

LeoRJBrazil wrote: »

to maximaze dmg.
It seems to me the build for Undaunted Infiltrator still the best option.

Well, to deal more damage, undaunted unweaver (which has 3 mag bonuses instead of 3 stam ones) is great to pair with a stam skill to deal more damage (Caltrops, vigor, trap).
And noble dualist is pretty strong too since you should be melee most of the time anyway, buy heavy attacks as is are suboptimal anyway, so :shrug:

FrancisCrawford

LeoRJBrazil wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

LeoRJBrazil wrote: »

In my Heavy Attack build, I am using Infalllible Aether and Undaunted Infiltrator (UI) to maximize the damage but UI is a stam based set and I am using in rings and weapons. Is there any other set I can use instead of UI, that could maximize dps?

Undaunted Unweaver?
Noble Duelist?

My point has regarding of up-time to maximaze dmg.

UI is procs every mgk skill, bu t Undaunted Unwaever only after using stam Skill. Noble Dualist only procs at melee range. It seems to me the build for Undaunted Infiltrator still the best option.

Well, the stamina still can be handled via your rotation.

As for Noble Duelist -- that depends on your playstyle and fight. You're surely running Solar Barrage, so being in or very near melee range is probably your first choice anyway. And if you're running Purifying Light, the heal part is melee range too.

Of course, if you're soloing, then in many fights melee range is almost a certainty.

UppGRAYxDD

Go with Undaunted Unweaver, use re-arming trap, and profit... or simply run the stamina defensive rune which cost nothing

Mindcr0w

So my main is a heavy attack build, but it is a sorc and not a templar so what works for it might not be what works best for you. That said I do hit 93k with it.

Anyway I find that focusing primarily on normal stats with only a little emphasis on directly buffing heavy attacks works best these days.

I get the results I get by pairing Medusa with Infallible Aether. Medusa persistent, Infal front barred.

thegreat_one

Hrm I went with DK on this because I can use Noxious as my stam and debuff at once.
Plus the 30% HA bonus.

Also the 10 second uptime can be a pain to manage with certain staffs.
I think the rearming trap would be good cause templar get good Crit passives

thegreat_one

Storm master would be good if it was mag

spartaxoxo

Mindcr0w wrote: »

So my main is a heavy attack build, but it is a sorc and not a templar so what works for it might not be what works best for you. That said I do hit 93k with it.

Anyway I find that focusing primarily on normal stats with only a little emphasis on directly buffing heavy attacks works best these days.

I get the results I get by pairing Medusa with Infallible Aether. Medusa persistent, Infal front barred.

@Mindcr0w

Do you mind sharing me more information about this build. I have a sorc who's damage I have been trying to push using a heavy attack build as I am simply not comfortable using other types, heavy ones are gentler on my hands. I can do them in small sessions but for longer play periods I like heavy attacks which is why my main is a heavy attack sorc.

Are you using liquid lightning? What's your rotation and monster set. I'm on ps4. Feel free to direct message me or reply here and I'll tell ya what I'm doing etc if you'd prefer

Mindcr0w

@spartaxoxo

I have a fairly detailed write up on the build in this thread. Give it a read and feel free to send me any questions you may have.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/555848/heavy-pet-sorc#latest

ssewallb14_ESO

Unweaver with beast trap should be more damage, but you'll immediately lose it in any fight where you can't keep trap up reliably every 10 seconds.

Siroria/Medusa might also be more dps, but you have to deal with Siroria's limitations.

The biggest problem with Duelist isn't so much the melee requirement as it is the cooldown. Even in a full melee fight the procs never line up like you might think, you'll get 85% uptime if you're lucky. If you back bar it there's a chance you'll miss an entire back bar rotation which lowers the uptime even more. If you backbar Infallible you lose the crit and spell damage bonus which is almost always net dps loss over just running aether/infiltrator.

So in other words infiltrator/aether is still the best combo for a fully versatile build.

UrbanMonk

I had a similar comment on Build video for HA magplar asking what if they used Uu instead of UI or Aether. So I did a few parses keeping the rotation same with 3 options,
1. UI+Aether (with trap in rotation)
2. UU+UI (with trap in rotation)
3. UU+Aether (with trap in rotation)

Both setups had exact same rotation and the result was setup 2 had almost ~2% more DPS than
2. I tried the same on my mDK and I ended up almost same or very negligible difference. Setup 3 was also with in the same range as setup 1.

So imo choose any set from these combos and adjust your rotation and it'll work fine as far as solo or 4 man dungeons are concerned. For trials I'm no expert but it purely depends on group setup how good your build performs when certain buff amd debuffs have good or bad up times.

https://youtu.be/RChxnHbZlfI

OlumoGarbag

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=287803 this build is one of the best solo heavy attacks there are. Its perfect to solo vMA, vet Vateshraan or vet dungeons

AyaDark

UrbanMonk wrote: »

I had a similar comment on Build video for HA magplar asking what if they used Uu instead of UI or Aether. So I did a few parses keeping the rotation same with 3 options,
1. UI+Aether (with trap in rotation)
2. UU+UI (with trap in rotation)
3. UU+Aether (with trap in rotation)

Both setups had exact same rotation and the result was setup 2 had almost ~2% more DPS than
2. I tried the same on my mDK and I ended up almost same or very negligible difference. Setup 3 was also with in the same range as setup 1.

So imo choose any set from these combos and adjust your rotation and it'll work fine as far as solo or 4 man dungeons are concerned. For trials I'm no expert but it purely depends on group setup how good your build performs when certain buff amd debuffs have good or bad up times.

https://youtu.be/RChxnHbZlfI

The same here. My wife has the same dps as me on DK, she is templar.

Real HA players DPS is near 75 on atro on any class. 80 + with some dummy only changes.

And we have DPS in RAIDS and DLC runs as good DPS. We are not top, not bottom.

Good on adds and boss with adds, middle in solo boss fights.

So i do not see any problems now.

More than us HA/LA builds can do.

Who use part LA part HA rotation. But i do not use only HA too, 4 HA 2-3 LA. +-

So i already am the same combination of HA / LA user.

HA regen resources and hard strike offbalance, LA other time to put more skills in rotation.

Yes in solo target a little less dps, more on AOE. So it is good combination of solo and AOE DPS in party as i think, better than only AOE or only SOLO target.

It is balance.

HA is more support game play, LA is more like - "I do damage, do not interrapt me !"

markulrich1966

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Mindcr0w wrote: »

So my main is a heavy attack build, but it is a sorc and not a templar so what works for it might not be what works best for you. That said I do hit 93k with it.

Anyway I find that focusing primarily on normal stats with only a little emphasis on directly buffing heavy attacks works best these days.

I get the results I get by pairing Medusa with Infallible Aether. Medusa persistent, Infal front barred.

@Mindcr0w

Do you mind sharing me more information about this build. I have a sorc who's damage I have been trying to push using a heavy attack build as I am simply not comfortable using other types, heavy ones are gentler on my hands. I can do them in small sessions but for longer play periods I like heavy attacks which is why my main is a heavy attack sorc.

Are you using liquid lightning? What's your rotation and monster set. I'm on ps4. Feel free to direct message me or reply here and I'll tell ya what I'm doing etc if you'd prefer

try mothers sorrow + Torugs Pact (craftable, increases weapon enchantments, reduces their cooldown). This is my favourite combination for sorcerers, as I use heavy attacks often. In my daily delves I can oneshoot the enemies in there like this.
I combine it with slimecraw on non high-elves for 5% more damage, and valkyn skoria on high-elves (they already do enough damage for a 1-shot without slimecraw).

Zodiarkslayer

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=287803 this build is one of the best solo heavy attacks there are. Its perfect to solo vMA, vet Vateshraan or vet dungeons

Rotation must be a mess. Two skills with Empower? Spelldamage and MaxMag are really low. 13k Phys Res. on a a melee build? 40% Crit? And where do you get Minor Prophecy from? Are you using spell power potions? I don't get it...

@LeoRJBrazil
Look. Even though they have Empower as part of a class skill, Templars are really not that suited for a Magicka Heavy Attack build, because the passives and class skills will not make an easy rotation. Juggling three or four buffs and/or procs at once, can mess up a rotation pretty fast. Costly skills and with short duration will let you only get one or two heavy attacks off. Besides nearly all good aspects of a Templar are not really impacting that much. You do not really play to your strenghts. It is doable, but will be far from optimized.

So, yeah...

AyaDark

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=287803 this build is one of the best solo heavy attacks there are. Its perfect to solo vMA, vet Vateshraan or vet dungeons

Rotation must be a mess. Two skills with Empower? Spelldamage and MaxMag are really low. 13k Phys Res. on a a melee build? 40% Crit? And where do you get Minor Prophecy from? Are you using spell power potions? I don't get it...

@LeoRJBrazil
Look. Even though they have Empower as part of a class skill, Templars are really not that suited for a Magicka Heavy Attack build, because the passives and class skills will not make an easy rotation. Juggling three or four buffs and/or procs at once, can mess up a rotation pretty fast. Costly skills and with short duration will let you only get one or two heavy attacks off. Besides nearly all good aspects of a Templar are not really impacting that much. You do not really play to your strenghts. It is doable, but will be far from optimized.

So, yeah...

Templar do the same 52/80 on 3kk/21kk as my DK.

The only problem is that he have 100% uptime of empower, so he can not be powered with sets like Galenve.

But templar have more better support skills and more crit than DK, so he can do more proffit by focusing on this part or a little changed rotation than I do as example.

UrbanMonk

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=287803 this build is one of the best solo heavy attacks there are. Its perfect to solo vMA, vet Vateshraan or vet dungeons

@LeoRJBrazil
Look. Even though they have Empower as part of a class skill, Templars are really not that suited for a Magicka Heavy Attack build, because the passives and class skills will not make an easy rotation. Juggling three or four buffs and/or procs at once, can mess up a rotation pretty fast. Costly skills and with short duration will let you only get one or two heavy attacks off. Besides nearly all good aspects of a Templar are not really impacting that much. You do not really play to your strenghts. It is doable, but will be far from optimized.

So, yeah...

If you are talking about min max damaged builds, then no class should be using HA setup, but thats not the point. OP is asking what he can do to improve his current HA setup, not if he should completely chnage his build.
Regarding the rotation, atleast the setup I use, its not messy at all, ofc you can only get away with 1 or 2 HA max but if that gives you decent damage and sustain, its a win imo.

AyaDark

UrbanMonk wrote: »

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=287803 this build is one of the best solo heavy attacks there are. Its perfect to solo vMA, vet Vateshraan or vet dungeons

@LeoRJBrazil
Look. Even though they have Empower as part of a class skill, Templars are really not that suited for a Magicka Heavy Attack build, because the passives and class skills will not make an easy rotation. Juggling three or four buffs and/or procs at once, can mess up a rotation pretty fast. Costly skills and with short duration will let you only get one or two heavy attacks off. Besides nearly all good aspects of a Templar are not really impacting that much. You do not really play to your strenghts. It is doable, but will be far from optimized.

So, yeah...

If you are talking about min max damaged builds, then no class should be using HA setup, but thats not the point. OP is asking what he can do to improve his current HA setup, not if he should completely chnage his build.
Regarding the rotation, atleast the setup I use, its not messy at all, ofc you can only get away with 1 or 2 HA max but if that gives you decent damage and sustain, its a win imo.

MIN / MAX is low skilled players idea.

You lose different options to do only 1 thing, it is not how good players will play.

Just put all responciabilities to others to just stand and do dps.

Any problem will do wipe. You will not do anything with MinMaxing. You only hope on situations where will be no problem at all.


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About build for HA templar use templars bomb.

Rotation is - wall, LA, Entropy, LA, swap, HA, skill with 10 seconds Empower, Ha, bomb, ha, powerfull skills(dots)+ha, bomb, HA swap.

14 seconds rotation 2 bombs in it. Other skills empower your crit, mana poolpassively and etc.

Trmplars HA works like this.

Monster helmet - MoW, Inpheleble aether + UI. Maelstorm LS of lightning back bar for real fights, with lightning gleaph, or fire with fire for atro.

Infused for real fight on main bar, crit for atro with poisons or other gleaph

UrbanMonk

@AyaDark - how do you do a 14 sec rotation with 2PoTl ( i assume that's the bomb you mentioned) when 4/5of your skills are 10 sec, and 1 is 6 amd still manage to do 4 HA which in practise takes close to 2 sec/ HA?

AyaDark

UrbanMonk wrote: »

@AyaDark - how do you do a 14 sec rotation with 2PoTl ( i assume that's the bomb you mentioned) when 4/5of your skills are 10 sec, and 1 is 6 amd still manage to do 4 HA which in practise takes close to 2 sec/ HA?

The idea is simple:
All you need to do is UP empower all the time.
10 seconds from sollar borage , 3 from Mage guild empower buff due skill.
Bomb = backlash that copy damage.

As you only cast 2 skills from back bar, you do not need skills last 14 seconds.

All you need as hard hit skills as possible 14 or 10 seconds do not care. All you need is it hit as hard as possible, you only can cast 4-5 skills from main bar so:
4 HA + skill ? HA buff, bomb , some hard hiting one, bomb.

May be i am wrong and 5 skills and 4 ha, start from HA buff from Back bar and and with entropy HA bomb, do not really remember how we do it. Need to watch wifes parse. May be she use only 1 bomb and 1 hard hiting skills or something like that (vampire bane as example)

UrbanMonk

Interesting,.
However, in my opinion you only use mages guild right before the start of rotation to get empower till you swap to front and use solar barrage to get 10 sec empower, as it take about 3 sec to go to front from back bar considering only WoE amd Spear shard is used there, and then you do a 6-7 sec rotation on front, that way your WoE 10 sec on backbar and solar barrage 10 sec on front line up perfectly and you dont loose any downtime on that. You also have to consider every few rotation, you'd have to use ultimate so need to make space for that. And all this will net into 1 HA per rotation on front. I see no space to fit any other.