Stam needs a good Aoe ultimate!

tpayne562

Stam classes need an Aoe equivalent ulti to Magic’s destro ulti. You could take the other morph of the bow ulti and increase the cost and make it so you cast a big Aoe of an arrow storm.

Jaimeh

Well there's sort of Dawnbreaker available for all, but I do agree, especially for my stamNB.

Syiccal

I'd like a magika dawnbreaker so....

Narvuntien

I do understand what you mean, I am slotting the magick damage AoE stun Soul Tether on my Stam NB and I have used the Vampire Ultimate for similar reasons.

I want that burst of sustain to deal with getting surrounded by a zerg, a big NO button.

Joinovikova

tpayne562 wrote: »

Stam classes need an Aoe equivalent ulti to Magic’s destro ulti. You could take the other morph of the bow ulti and increase the cost and make it so you cast a big Aoe of an arrow storm.

DW ulti is AOE

2H ulti is AOE

Dawnbreaker AOE..

Leap

Crescent Sweep

Pestilent Colossus this is WTF AOE....

Dual Wield has great AOE execute..


and destro ÄOE ulti is trash skill

erio

Give nightblade something to make it at least somewhat useful in a group.

StarOfElyon

What stam toon needs is more good class skills so they won't be so reliant on the 2H skill line.

SgtNuttzmeg

tpayne562 wrote: »

Stam classes need an Aoe equivalent ulti to Magic’s destro ulti. You could take the other morph of the bow ulti and increase the cost and make it so you cast a big Aoe of an arrow storm.

I think the problem isn't a lack of aoe ults, its a lack of aoe ults that hit in instances with lots of positioning desyncs. It baffles my mind how often a Dawnbreaker "misses" a target in Cyrodil. Remember when Onslaught got buffed and became the meta? Does anybody else remember how hard it was to land that ultimate near the end of it's debut?

YandereGirlfriend

DW ultimate hardly counts for this discussion.

That skill is wickedly under-powered and useless in PvP.

SgtNuttzmeg

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

DW ultimate hardly counts for this discussion.

That skill is wickedly under-powered and useless in PvP.

It's very strong on a Stam DK dot build. But it suffers the same issue I mentioned before it's hard it hit. A big part of why it's so good on a Stam DK is because it has fossilize.

YandereGirlfriend

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

DW ultimate hardly counts for this discussion.

That skill is wickedly under-powered and useless in PvP.

It's very strong on a Stam DK dot build. But it suffers the same issue I mentioned before it's hard it hit. A big part of why it's so good on a Stam DK is because it has fossilize.

Indeed. For a weapon line that is centered upon single-target damage it is odd that the ultimate is even AoE to begin with.

But it also provides no burst damage and is subject to being purged which is definitely not what most people want from an ultimate ability.

I think that it would make sense to make Rend single-target (for small-scale and PvE) and higher damage while giving Thrive in Chaos a much larger cone and also some form of Heal Absorption in order to make it actually useful in group PvP.

preevious

Aren't all utlimate magicka AND stamina, using your higher value?

Thus, shooting star would be a stam ult as well a a mag one, and work no matter what weapon you have slotted..

(sure, that doenst' help with destro ult ..)

KhajiitLivesMatter

Syiccal wrote: »

I'd like a magika dawnbreaker so....

dude dawnbreaker is mag and stam to be correct

no one said that dawnbreaker is stam only

tooltip says deal dmg not phsical not magical so it scales with both

KhajiitLivesMatter

preevious wrote: »

Aren't all utlimate magicka AND stamina, using your higher value?

Thus, shooting star would be a stam ult as well a a mag one, and work no matter what weapon you have slotted..

(sure, that doenst' help with destro ult ..)

most ults are mag and stam - depends on the tooltip if its saying does dmg its both if it specifys like magical,phsyical,fire,.... it isnt both

Red99

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

I'd like a magika dawnbreaker so....

dude dawnbreaker is mag and stam to be correct

no one said that dawnbreaker is stam only

tooltip says deal dmg not phsical not magical so it scales with both

Dude u should have checked dawnbreaker before posting..its physical dmg

preevious

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Aren't all utlimate magicka AND stamina, using your higher value?

Thus, shooting star would be a stam ult as well a a mag one, and work no matter what weapon you have slotted..

(sure, that doenst' help with destro ult ..)

most ults are mag and stam - depends on the tooltip if its saying does dmg its both if it specifys like magical,phsyical,fire,.... it isnt both

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.

ThePedge

No where in OP does he mention PvP.

Of course Dawnbreaker is good in PvP and available on all classes. Magicka Destro sucks in PvP so the OP would make no sense.

This is clearly about PvE and imo he's right. Destro Ult is far more powerful for big packs than any Stam Ult. Colossus is the only one that is really useful from Stamcros.

Then again just use Flawless Dawnbreaker for more WD then Masters 2H cleave and you're on plenty of damage

ThePedge

preevious wrote: »

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Aren't all utlimate magicka AND stamina, using your higher value?

Thus, shooting star would be a stam ult as well a a mag one, and work no matter what weapon you have slotted..

(sure, that doenst' help with destro ult ..)

most ults are mag and stam - depends on the tooltip if its saying does dmg its both if it specifys like magical,phsyical,fire,.... it isnt both

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.

Ultimates scale off of your highest offensive stat. So if your all Spell Damage it will scale off of that.

However the type of damage it does is relevant for CP and Penetration.

For example you can get really high Destro Ult tooltip with Weapon Damage, but it will be weaker if you don't have Spell Penetration or Elemental Expert CP

Eedat

I'm kinda confused. Stam is already much stronger than mag in most content. Why does it need buffs again?

Raideen

Eedat wrote: »

I'm kinda confused. Stam is already much stronger than mag in most content. Why does it need buffs again?

^

I wish magicka had as good sustain and as many build options/build variants/gear choices/weapon choices as stamina.

tpayne562

Yeah I meant for pve! No way you can compare any ultimate to a desto ulti. In the new arena for example last boss. You have the boss, 2 big bone dudes, a flame shaper and archer up. Desto ult with some aoe and you never look back. You run in with a dawn breaker it’s not gonna hurt them nearly as much.

Synssaturdayy9

a new ulti would be cool i definitely would love to see that in the next chapter

Krevad

Ultis scale with your highest stats so just Destro ulti anyway if it’s a trash pull that calls for it and it’s still better even without the CPs to back it up.

Only other things like physical penetration and weapon critical won’t carry over but nothing is stopping you from going Mechanical Acuity for autocrit and Alkosh has been buffed enough that the penetration loss won’t be a big deal.

Otherwise, still waiting on mag equivalents of Relequen and AY.

colossalvoids

I'd say that some classes would benefit from having one in their kit but most already got one anyway or can use weapon ones instead. I'd surely hate having mirror magicka DD situation having destro ulti on all setups. Would adress class skill lines first if that's an actual issue.

Grianasteri

Joinovikova wrote: »

tpayne562 wrote: »

Stam classes need an Aoe equivalent ulti to Magic’s destro ulti. You could take the other morph of the bow ulti and increase the cost and make it so you cast a big Aoe of an arrow storm.

DW ulti is AOE

2H ulti is AOE

Dawnbreaker AOE..

Leap

Crescent Sweep

Pestilent Colossus this is WTF AOE....

Dual Wield has great AOE execute..


and destro ÄOE ulti is trash skill

I was with you until you said the destro ulti is a trash skill, since when? It does a huge amount of damage...

ESO_Nightingale

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

DW ultimate hardly counts for this discussion.

That skill is wickedly under-powered and useless in PvP.

When is this poor thing going to see use?

WrathOfInnos

Agreed, Stamina options for AoE ultimates are limited. A new one would be nice, maybe as an ultimate in the Undaunted skill line.

On the Magicka side, non-class single target ultimates are pretty bad. I’d like to see Soul Assault work more like Ballista. Both have the same 175 ult cost and deal similar DPS, but Soul Assault prevents using any skills for a full 6s while Ballista allows continuing a rotation of damage skills. Massive difference in the end result here.