My two little pet peeve's about Necromancer.

Rasande_Robin

I do enjoy the class and I've played it ever since they've come out with Elsweyr.
I do have 42,150 / 44,490 Achievement points for now, so I kind of know what I'm speaking of I hope.

That being said I do have some pet peeve's for my beloved necromancer-themed class.
In order to make it feel a bit more smoother.

My first:
I will start off with the Blast Bone, I do remember the days when Night blades "shadow image" used to have a need for a target. Why didn't you go the same direction with Blast Bone's, making us able to cast it without having a target and maybe increase the life time by a second or two to make up for it?

My second:
Having two Tether's feel's a bit of an Over-Kill. Restoring Tether is fine since it's so strong, that the weakness it comes with like breaking the line is perfectly fine. It does fit with the role-play aspect where you tether your soul to anchor you're life. Keep stamina recovery morph and make a magicka recovery morph of the other. But the Shocking Siphon? I would love to see this changed into a corpse consumption area damage. Only that it should leak gas/sparkle lightning until it explodes and you should be able to do it on multiple bodies and each will have a leak gas/sparkle timer before they explode. making you think twice before stepping over bodies when facing a necromancer.

Thank you for reading this!

Gudest

I love the corpse explosion.

GrumpyDuckling

I would love to see ZOS remove the target requirement for casting Blastbones, but I wonder if the target requirement exists so that we don't have quick/easy access to a corpse? Although, there is a morph for Spirit Mender that only lasts 8 seconds, so maybe it could happen...

Benzux

Necromancer has had and still has a lot of issues and general clunkiness. The one that annoys me the most is the class spammable, which just simply does not weave well at all. With no other class spammable can I accidentally end up casting the ability twice in a row instead of the "intended" Ability->LA->Ability, but Flame Skull is a nightmare to weave with. This is the main reason I don't play my Necromancer as much as I want to, because every time I get into a fight I am reminded how terrible that skill is.

propertyOfUndefined

I agree with shocking siphon, and like your idea here. Having something like the corpse explosion spell in divinity 2 would be fantastic. That spell could be difficult to set up, but paid off big, which always felt satisfying.

Scardan

Benzux wrote: »

Necromancer has had and still has a lot of issues and general clunkiness. The one that annoys me the most is the class spammable, which just simply does not weave well at all. With no other class spammable can I accidentally end up casting the ability twice in a row instead of the "intended" Ability->LA->Ability, but Flame Skull is a nightmare to weave with. This is the main reason I don't play my Necromancer as much as I want to, because every time I get into a fight I am reminded how terrible that skill is.

It might be l2p issue, since I had no problems to weave with Flame Skull after some time of practice.

Benzux

Scardan wrote: »

Benzux wrote: »

Necromancer has had and still has a lot of issues and general clunkiness. The one that annoys me the most is the class spammable, which just simply does not weave well at all. With no other class spammable can I accidentally end up casting the ability twice in a row instead of the "intended" Ability->LA->Ability, but Flame Skull is a nightmare to weave with. This is the main reason I don't play my Necromancer as much as I want to, because every time I get into a fight I am reminded how terrible that skill is.

It might be l2p issue, since I had no problems to weave with Flame Skull after some time of practice.

Eh, I could probably get used to it over time, but that doesn't change the fact that the skill itself is incredibly clunky and does not weave well at all with its post-cast "You're now stuck in this animation for a few milliseconds during which you would normally light attack with any other spammable"-time. With the combat now so focused on weaving, it feels counteractive to have introduced an ability like Flame Skull.

El_Borracho

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I would love to see ZOS remove the target requirement for casting Blastbones, but I wonder if the target requirement exists so that we don't have quick/easy access to a corpse? Although, there is a morph for Spirit Mender that only lasts 8 seconds, so maybe it could happen...

Think you can get an instant corpse by casting skeletal mage/archer twice. The first one dies.

YandereGirlfriend

I would love to see Animate Blastbones (the morph that nobody ever uses) changed to only spawn the three Blastbones (e.g. no more player rez) and get a giant cost reduction - down to like Crescent Sweep (90 ultimate) cheap.

It would make for a much more interesting option in PvP while not upsetting the balance of PvE.

Cerilon

Agree on both points!! Its long overdue!!

Skullstachio

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

I do enjoy the class and I've played it ever since they've come out with Elsweyr.
I do have 42,150 / 44,490 Achievement points for now, so I kind of know what I'm speaking of I hope.

That being said I do have some pet peeve's for my beloved necromancer-themed class.
In order to make it feel a bit more smoother.

My first:
I will start off with the Blast Bone, I do remember the days when Night blades "shadow image" used to have a need for a target. Why didn't you go the same direction with Blast Bone's, making us able to cast it without having a target and maybe increase the life time by a second or two to make up for it?

Thank you for reading this!

1: I can agree there as utilising the Right stick for target-locking, it seems to interfere with the way blastbones is used as it requires enemy targeting to use, one solution would be to give it identical targeting specs to that of the skeletal mage where you can cast it without a target and it will seek out the nearest enemy closest to the caster, plus the stalking blastbones is dead in the water unless they can work the bonus damage similarly to the PvP skill "magicka Detonation" where it could gain bonus damage based on the number of enemies in proximity of the blastbones blast radius.

2: the tethers are in a good place as they are, but like some other skills, Target locking seems to heavily interfere with them as both skills require an active corpse to use and because target locking makes it harder to face them, it can hamper rotations.

Josira

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I would love to see Animate Blastbones (the morph that nobody ever uses) changed to only spawn the three Blastbones (e.g. no more player rez) and get a giant cost reduction - down to like Crescent Sweep (90 ultimate) cheap.

It would make for a much more interesting option in PvP while not upsetting the balance of PvE.

Agreed,it would also be a fun ult.

DigiAngel

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

My first:
I will start off with the Blast Bone, I do remember the days when Night blades "shadow image" used to have a need for a target. Why didn't you go the same direction with Blast Bone's, making us able to cast it without having a target and maybe increase the life time by a second or two to make up for it?

I actually like the control of exactly which entity to attack. It does make it more finicky though

amm7sb14_ESO

El_Borracho wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

I would love to see ZOS remove the target requirement for casting Blastbones, but I wonder if the target requirement exists so that we don't have quick/easy access to a corpse? Although, there is a morph for Spirit Mender that only lasts 8 seconds, so maybe it could happen...

Think you can get an instant corpse by casting skeletal mage/archer twice. The first one dies.

But it only leaves a corpse after half its duration.

So for the mage / archer it's at least 8 seconds (16 second total duration), same for the Spirit Guardian. The burst heal morph is 4 seconds, since it lasts for 8.

katorga

If BB were cast without a target, how would it choose a target? Heavy attack, LButton-Y, are slower than current model.
I get it though. During the "speed run" mania, fights would be over before BB could land, lol.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I would love to see Animate Blastbones (the morph that nobody ever uses) changed to only spawn the three Blastbones (e.g. no more player rez) and get a giant cost reduction - down to like Crescent Sweep (90 ultimate) cheap.

It would make for a much more interesting option in PvP while not upsetting the balance of PvE.

Necro has too much potential ultimate generation to ever give it a cheap ranged ultimate.

f047ys3v3n

I've been working on a necro because 50% + of the dps slots in the best endgame raiding guild I'm in are required to be so in many trials. Basically, it seems like a garbage designed class that does a bunch of dps with little else to offer. Of course, between the bunch of dps, the ulti that boosts group dps 10%, your more or less required to play it unless you happen to get the 1 slot that goes to any class, the zen dk, or the one catylist sorc. I guess I should just be happy it's not a few patches ago before the ulti nerf when every dps was required to be a necro.

Anyhow from what I can tell necro has:
-No cheap constant class HOT like embers, puncturing, swallow soul, or crit surge. So you are basically solely dependent on the healer or are giving up dps to slot a pricey push botton heal if you have to do something away from heals.
-No class major expedition so you have to level that onerous, grindy, awful, psyjic line for QOL when not raiding.
-No useful class major spell power so enjoy your pots (honestly a problem for many classes and given the price of pots and the absolute necessity for the buff, really annoying)
- Sort of annoying, clunky feeling rotation with blast bones. Though, every class has some clunky crap in it so I'm not sure this is any worse than most others.

I guess mostly I'm just annoyed that to take the next step I'm pretty much required to play a class I don't like because it has a one of a kind ulti and it's passives are so good that it has better dps than others. It's so badly designed and balanced that it is good. Necro is also kind of the opposite of Warden which has a lot of good multi purpose stuff (though it's heal on light attacks is comically under-powered) but ultimately just doesn't do good enough dps (or can't sustain the resource drain from doing so) to be viable for raiding.

Vermintide

Benzux wrote: »

Necromancer has had and still has a lot of issues and general clunkiness. The one that annoys me the most is the class spammable, which just simply does not weave well at all. With no other class spammable can I accidentally end up casting the ability twice in a row instead of the "intended" Ability->LA->Ability, but Flame Skull is a nightmare to weave with. This is the main reason I don't play my Necromancer as much as I want to, because every time I get into a fight I am reminded how terrible that skill is.

Gotta say I find the weave with flame skull a whole lot easier than the weave of swallow soul.