Suggestion: Overhaul the game's loot system to only drop what our character's have points in.

hexentb16_ESO

Edit: Guys, please read this post more closely. You would still be able to farm gear for your alts using your main with this change. I'll bold the part for you that makes this possible so people stop overlooking it. This change would actually make farming gear for your alts easier.

Thank you ZOS for implementing the stickerbook. Its definitely a step in the right direction. However the game is still incredibly grindy, painfully so in the case of arenas.

I have a quick suggestion that would fix the unnecessary grind a bit more. Making the loot system only drop gear that belongs to skill lines we have points invested in.

So let's say I have a tank that ONLY has points in heavy armor and 1h and shield for armor and weapon skill lines. With this change I should only get 1h weapons, shields, and heavy armor. If I decided I wanted to collect other armor or weapon types all I'd need to do is put a single point into those skill lines. Or just trade with my group members.

This would make the game a hell of a lot more enjoyable. No longer would we have to run those boring arenas countless times just to get a single weapon we want, likewise for dungeon weapons. This would also make collecting that last weapon for our stickerbook easier.

Some of us might start dungeon farming the perfect trait again instead of just transmuting. That means more people doing dungeons!

Oh and jewelry should still drop regardless.

Now some of you might think this would mean the end of dungeon running but I assure you it wouldn't. Pledges still need to be done to get monster shoulders, the 1st daily random dungeon is still the fastest way to get transmute shards, and new players are still a thing in this game. ZOS could literally let us choose exactly which gear pieces we want and that still wouldn't kill dungeon running.

spartaxoxo

No way. I want to be able to farm stuff for alts on my main

Daemons_Bane

Bad idea.. farming is a core aspect for an mmo, to keep us playing.. besides, I would prefer that my fighting characters can farm loot for each other

Bucky_13

Sorry but no. I collect gear for all my characters on my PvE main, which works perfectly fine as the system currently is implemented. On top of that, I also want to be able to obtain all weapon types from that character and it decreases the cost of making copies.

I also don't want to waste skill points in trees I never use to get those weapons.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

If you wanted to make it so that your magic character was more likely to get a staff than a sword, I could probably live with that. But the idea that a tank could only get a 1H/S for example, is really bad IMO. It's been said, but most of us have a character we farm with. That might not be the character we actually play with, or intend to play with for the item we are after.

sarahthes

I farm tank and healer and mag DPS gear on my stamplar. I don't like this idea.

tmbrinks

How would you farm gear on your "first" character of a specific type? So I'd have to take my undergeared stam character in to get the DW/Bow items I need, instead of the fully geared magicka character that I already have?

Don't think this idea works.

Nairinhe

No. Just no.

Tandor

No, for the reasons already given.

AcadianPaladin

No.

1. I want to farm gear for alts on a char that may have different skills.

2. Given the stickerbook, I want ALL pieces of a particular set to lower the transmute gem cost of making the pieces that I do want. For example, having the staff in my stickerbook for a stam set lowers the cost of making the bow.

Icy_Waffles

spartaxoxo wrote: »

No way. I want to be able to farm stuff for alts on my main

Exactly what I came to say.

Taleof2Cities

Sticker Book completion is a marathon, @hexentb16_ESO ... not a sprint.

If you have most of a 5-piece set completed, it's still going to be less than 50 transmute stones to reconstruct pieces.

For example, I'm down to 34 stones to reconstruct one of those "boring arena" sets:

hexentb16_ESO

spartaxoxo wrote: »

No way. I want to be able to farm stuff for alts on my main

@spartaxoxo
...read closer. You could still do that with this change.

hexentb16_ESO

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Sticker Book completion is a marathon, @hexentb16_ESO ... not a sprint.

If you have most of a 5-piece set completed, it's still going to be less than 50 transmute stones to reconstruct pieces.

For example, I'm down to 34 stones to reconstruct one of those "boring arena" sets:

This post isn't about transmute costs.

hexentb16_ESO

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

Bad idea.. farming is a core aspect for an mmo, to keep us playing.. besides, I would prefer that my fighting characters can farm loot for each other

They still could.

Also grinding/farming is obsolete for ESO and is not needed to keep us playing thanks to the additions of daily pledges, daily random dungeons, the sticker book, daily login bonuses, the frequent rotation of the products in the crown store, the very social aspect of the game itself...oh and kicking ass in pvp. For much older MMOS you'd be correct but not so much with ESO. ZOS saw to that. Glad for it too.

hexentb16_ESO

tmbrinks wrote: »

How would you farm gear on your "first" character of a specific type? So I'd have to take my undergeared stam character in to get the DW/Bow items I need, instead of the fully geared magicka character that I already have?

Don't think this idea works.

No. You'd just need to put a single point into the skill line you want stuff to drop for.

hexentb16_ESO

@tmbrinks
@Daemons_Bane
@Icy_Waffles
@AcadianPaladin
@Tandor
@tmbrinks
@sarahthes
@Bucky_13
@Oreyn_Bearclaw

Please re-read the post and pay close attention to the part I have now bolded because it was overlooked by so many.

You'd still be able to farm gear for your alts with your main by spending a single point in the desired weapon/armor class. Since you're farming with your mains I'm sure you can spare a single point. This change would actually make farming for your alts easier.

Girl_Number8

spartaxoxo wrote: »

No way. I want to be able to farm stuff for alts on my main

I agree with this ^

The idea stated in the OP is just not well thought out, you should work on it more. Especially since by your set up you would have to switch skill points which would be more of a hassle.

The sticker book addition to the game has also added new life to many dungeons and trials for newer and older players. Getting sets completed is more easier then ever now.

tmbrinks

so, to farm on my main, I have to spend an extra point in each category, just to get what we have now, where it's an equal chance for gear? And if I don't have that skill point available, I'm SOL on getting some gear set pieces?

hexentb16_ESO

tmbrinks wrote: »

so, to farm on my main, I have to spend an extra point in each category, just to get what we have now, where it's an equal chance for gear? And if I don't have that skill point available, I'm SOL on getting some gear set pieces?

Lol you make it sound like skill points are as rare as psijic ciphers. They're very abundant. Just gotta do a single story quest, find 3 skyshards, or spend a small amount to relieve yourself of an ability or passive you never use. All of which (in addition to running the dungeon) would take a fraction of the amount of time it currently takes to farm the gear we want for our alts.

My respec bills are over 30k now on my main but its a price I'd happily pay to not have to deal with running a dungeon 50 times for the one single item I need.

You wouldn't need to put one in each catagory, just the ones you want to farm gear for at the moment. If you've been playing for a while you've probably started using undaunted mettle and already have at least one skill point in each armor catagory anyways.

Kaartinen

No thanks.

I prefer the current rather than having to waste points in order to get all drops.

AcadianPaladin

No. When I farm a dungeon, I'm farming for ALL of it to fill my stickerbook so making the pieces I want is cheaper. Putting a point in every skill tree to do this is . . . a significant step down from the current system in my mind.

I'm thinking of farming Toothrow (WR1) for my bowsorc and will do so on several characters, looking to completely fill the stickerbook so I can make the pieces I want very cheaply - and as often as I want to in the future. I'm a big believer in investing in the stickerbook and gathering transmute gems over farming for specific pieces. My thinking is that getting a Toothrow bow is nice but having a full stickerbook and being able to cheaply make multiple Toothrow bows (of any trait) for now and in the future. The stickerbook approach also eliminates worrying about farming for specific traits.

hexentb16_ESO

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

No. When I farm a dungeon, I'm farming for ALL of it to fill my stickerbook so making the pieces I want is cheaper. Putting a point in every skill tree to do this is . . . a significant step down from the current system in my mind.

I'm thinking of farming Toothrow (WR1) for my bowsorc and will do so on several characters, looking to completely fill the stickerbook so I can make the pieces I want very cheaply - and as often as I want to in the future. I'm a big believer in investing in the stickerbook and gathering transmute gems over farming for specific pieces. My thinking is that getting a Toothrow bow is nice but having a full stickerbook and being able to cheaply make multiple Toothrow bows (of any trait) for now and in the future. The stickerbook approach also eliminates worrying about farming for specific traits.

So you don't want to fill your stickerbook faster? I don't get it. If this was a thing, you could switch your skill points around and get exactly what you want from the dungeon faster. Even if you didn't have the gold for a respec it would still be faster farming said gold for the respec then running once or twice for exactly the item you need. Faster than it is now I mean. With the current system we sometimes need to farm a single dungeon for an entire week if not more for that last piece.

Katahdin

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

@tmbrinks
@Daemons_Bane
@Icy_Waffles
@AcadianPaladin
@Tandor
@tmbrinks
@sarahthes
@Bucky_13
@Oreyn_Bearclaw

Please re-read the post and pay close attention to the part I have now bolded because it was overlooked by so many.

You'd still be able to farm gear for your alts with your main by spending a single point in the desired weapon/armor class. Since you're farming with your mains I'm sure you can spare a single point. This change would actually make farming for your alts easier.

Read the post, understand what you are saying.

I agree with others posting here.

NO
BAD IDEA

Oreyn_Bearclaw

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

@tmbrinks
@Daemons_Bane
@Icy_Waffles
@AcadianPaladin
@Tandor
@tmbrinks
@sarahthes
@Bucky_13
@Oreyn_Bearclaw

Please re-read the post and pay close attention to the part I have now bolded because it was overlooked by so many.

You'd still be able to farm gear for your alts with your main by spending a single point in the desired weapon/armor class. Since you're farming with your mains I'm sure you can spare a single point. This change would actually make farming for your alts easier.

I actually don't farm with my main (if I even have one at this point). I usually farm with my magic nightblade, who I try to keep spec'ed for both writs and PVP as well. Not actually certain I do have skill points to spare on him. Haha

Look, I get it. We need smarter loot. I am just not sure the skill point game is the way to go about it. In fact, I think the sticker book is the best way to go about loot if they could figure it out. You could lower (not eliminate) the drop rates of items collected until all are collected for a particular set.

hexentb16_ESO

Katahdin wrote: »

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

@tmbrinks
@Daemons_Bane
@Icy_Waffles
@AcadianPaladin
@Tandor
@tmbrinks
@sarahthes
@Bucky_13
@Oreyn_Bearclaw

Please re-read the post and pay close attention to the part I have now bolded because it was overlooked by so many.

You'd still be able to farm gear for your alts with your main by spending a single point in the desired weapon/armor class. Since you're farming with your mains I'm sure you can spare a single point. This change would actually make farming for your alts easier.

Read the post, understand what you are saying.

I agree with others posting here.

NO
BAD IDEA

Well at least you know that you're saying no to getting loot faster with the same character.

hexentb16_ESO

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

@tmbrinks
@Daemons_Bane
@Icy_Waffles
@AcadianPaladin
@Tandor
@tmbrinks
@sarahthes
@Bucky_13
@Oreyn_Bearclaw

Please re-read the post and pay close attention to the part I have now bolded because it was overlooked by so many.

You'd still be able to farm gear for your alts with your main by spending a single point in the desired weapon/armor class. Since you're farming with your mains I'm sure you can spare a single point. This change would actually make farming for your alts easier.

I actually don't farm with my main (if I even have one at this point). I usually farm with my magic nightblade, who I try to keep spec'ed for both writs and PVP as well. Not actually certain I do have skill points to spare on him. Haha

Look, I get it. We need smarter loot. I am just not sure the skill point game is the way to go about it. In fact, I think the sticker book is the best way to go about loot if they could figure it out. You could lower (not eliminate) the drop rates of items collected until all are collected for a particular set.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
This is by far the best comment so far. Thank you for the well worded and diplomatic comment.

Malkiv

Sorry, @hexentb16_ESO, you can try to justify it to us all you’d like, but this is just an unpopular idea.

I don’t have a “main.” I play 11 CP810+ toons depending on what I need, what the group needs, or what I feel like. I have just enough skill points to flesh out 3 or 4 builds for each - which is already a lot of Skyshard grinding. I don’t want to grind more just so I can have a pleasantly unexpected piece drop for an alt.

hexentb16_ESO

Malkiv wrote: »

Sorry, @hexentb16_ESO, you can try to justify it to us all you’d like, but this is just an unpopular idea.

I don’t have a “main.” I play 11 CP810+ toons depending on what I need, what the group needs, or what I feel like. I have just enough skill points to flesh out 3 or 4 builds for each - which is already a lot of Skyshard grinding. I don’t want to grind more just so I can have a pleasantly unexpected piece drop for an alt.

As long as you guys know what you're saying no to. Obviously I'd welcome this change with open arms. I do all my farming on my full completion main and have 20 skill points to spare even after maxing and unlocking all the crafting skills, armor skills, and two extra weapon skills. Even my alts which are dedicated to one specific build have 10 extra skill points to spare and I haven't gone looking for extra for them once.

kargen27

They've taken most the "grind" out of the game already. The game needs players repeating content to survive. Sure maybe for the first week or two after this change was made players would run more dungeons but it wouldn't last long. Not a good idea for the long term health of the game.

Daemons_Bane

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

@tmbrinks
@Daemons_Bane
@Icy_Waffles
@AcadianPaladin
@Tandor
@tmbrinks
@sarahthes
@Bucky_13
@Oreyn_Bearclaw

Please re-read the post and pay close attention to the part I have now bolded because it was overlooked by so many.

You'd still be able to farm gear for your alts with your main by spending a single point in the desired weapon/armor class. Since you're farming with your mains I'm sure you can spare a single point. This change would actually make farming for your alts easier.

Please read my bolded part.. NO