Infused reduced cost

Syiccal

Is this the equivalent or near to the racial bonus of breton 7%

Waffennacht

Better prob. Afaik the glyph at gold is 203. Then infused is 50% purple (60 gold) so prob 300 reduction.

That's 10% of a 3k ability and 7.5% of a 4k ability

wheem_ESO

Since the Breton racial is % based and the jewelry glyphs are a flat value, it would vary by spell cost. When it comes to something like Mist Form, where the individual cost of each "tick" is low but frequent, a single jewelry glyph is significantly better than the Breton racial, even if it isn't Infused. On a more expensive spell, which costs say...4,500 magicka, the Breton Racial would reduce the cost by 315 (assuming no other % modifiers), while a non-infused gold jewelry glyph would reduce the cost by 203.

SgtNuttzmeg

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

ThePedge

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

Can't get recovery while in Mist form, but you can make it negligible cost

Syiccal

ThePedge wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

Can't get recovery while in Mist form, but you can make it negligible cost

Yes you can, templar rune still gives recovery even while misting

ThePedge

Syiccal wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

Can't get recovery while in Mist form, but you can make it negligible cost

Yes you can, templar rune still gives recovery even while misting

That's not recovery.

wheem_ESO

MentalxHammer wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

Can't get recovery while in Mist form, but you can make it negligible cost

Yes you can, templar rune still gives recovery even while misting

That's not recovery.

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In game terms, he's actually correct. The Templar Rune, Warden Netch, some item set bonuses, etc...are not the same thing as "normal" recovery. They won't show up on your character sheet and won't benefit from various % modifiers, but also won't be stopped by things that prevent standard resource recovery.

So while a Templar's Rune may be "recovery" in a colloquial sense, it's not treated that way by the game. It won't be increased by Major Intellect, nor stopped by blocking with an Ice Staff or being in Mist Form.

ThePedge

wheem_ESO wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

Can't get recovery while in Mist form, but you can make it negligible cost

Yes you can, templar rune still gives recovery even while misting

That's not recovery.

[Quoted post was removed]

In game terms, he's actually correct. The Templar Rune, Warden Netch, some item set bonuses, etc...are not the same thing as "normal" recovery. They won't show up on your character sheet and won't benefit from various % modifiers, but also won't be stopped by things that prevent standard resource recovery.

So while a Templar's Rune may be "recovery" in a colloquial sense, it's not treated that way by the game. It won't be increased by Major Intellect, nor stopped by blocking with an Ice Staff or being in Mist Form.

Thank you.

MentalxHammer wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

Can't get recovery while in Mist form, but you can make it negligible cost

Yes you can, templar rune still gives recovery even while misting

That's not recovery.

[Quoted post was removed]

What is that supposed to mean?

Raideen

wheem_ESO wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

Can't get recovery while in Mist form, but you can make it negligible cost

Yes you can, templar rune still gives recovery even while misting

That's not recovery.

[Quoted post was removed]

In game terms, he's actually correct. The Templar Rune, Warden Netch, some item set bonuses, etc...are not the same thing as "normal" recovery. They won't show up on your character sheet and won't benefit from various % modifiers, but also won't be stopped by things that prevent standard resource recovery.

So while a Templar's Rune may be "recovery" in a colloquial sense, it's not treated that way by the game. It won't be increased by Major Intellect, nor stopped by blocking with an Ice Staff or being in Mist Form.

But in practical terms he is incorrect and at the end of the day how it plays out in game is what matters. @MentalxHammer is correct.

idk

Syiccal wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

Can't get recovery while in Mist form, but you can make it negligible cost

Yes you can, templar rune still gives recovery even while misting

They are correct as they are speaking to the stat that is recovery. That is relevant as it is in competition with cost reduction for a jewelry glyph. As such the templar skill is not relevant to the discussion.

ThePedge

Raideen wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

ThePedge wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

I wouldn't run cost reduction with the recent buff to resource recovery passives. You will get more from recovery.

Can't get recovery while in Mist form, but you can make it negligible cost

Yes you can, templar rune still gives recovery even while misting

That's not recovery.

[Quoted post was removed]

In game terms, he's actually correct. The Templar Rune, Warden Netch, some item set bonuses, etc...are not the same thing as "normal" recovery. They won't show up on your character sheet and won't benefit from various % modifiers, but also won't be stopped by things that prevent standard resource recovery.

So while a Templar's Rune may be "recovery" in a colloquial sense, it's not treated that way by the game. It won't be increased by Major Intellect, nor stopped by blocking with an Ice Staff or being in Mist Form.

But in practical terms he is incorrect and at the end of the day how it plays out in game is what matters. @MentalxHammer is correct.

@MentalxHammer is wrong because he called Channeled Focus recovery, but he's correct that it does work in Mist.

That's just because it's not recovery.
Recovery is every two seconds, Channeled Focus is every second
Recovery is buffed by Major and Minor Intellect, Channeled Focus is not
Recovery doesn't work in Mist Form, Channeled Focus does

Tell me now, is Channeled Focus recovery or not?

I don't know what his reply is meant to mean, I guess it's an attempt at an insult because he couldn't understand simple mechanics.

Kartalin

Channeled Focus returns 240 magicka every second. A Breton with 5H 2L armor and three infused cost reduction glyphs has a mist form cost of around 110 magicka/second. You will emerge from mist form with more magicka than you started.

Waffennacht

Kartalin wrote: »

Channeled Focus returns 240 magicka every second. A Breton with 5H 2L armor and three infused cost reduction glyphs has a mist form cost of around 110 magicka/second. You will emerge from mist form with more magicka than you started.

I don't see how this is an issue tbf.

You're not gaining more mag than regen glyphs when not in mist. And you dont have spell damage (ESP if you have health regen up through the roof)

Meaning for a set up like this to have teeth is Proc sets - meaning the proc sets are the issue.

An invincible mist build that cant kill is no better than a permablock build.

Again, someone trading the ability to kill to survive is fine; the issue is Proc sets allowing such builds the ability to kill

idk

Waffennacht wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Channeled Focus returns 240 magicka every second. A Breton with 5H 2L armor and three infused cost reduction glyphs has a mist form cost of around 110 magicka/second. You will emerge from mist form with more magicka than you started.

I don't see how this is an issue tbf.

You're not gaining more mag than regen glyphs when not in mist. And you dont have spell damage (ESP if you have health regen up through the roof)

Meaning for a set up like this to have teeth is Proc sets - meaning the proc sets are the issue.

An invincible mist build that cant kill is no better than a permablock build.

Again, someone trading the ability to kill to survive is fine; the issue is Proc sets allowing such builds the ability to kill

+1

Kartalin

@Waffennacht

Just trying to clarify the issue to some who were unclear. As you say that build only has killing power with procs (typically zaan and vateshran destro).

Joinovikova

Waffennacht wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Channeled Focus returns 240 magicka every second. A Breton with 5H 2L armor and three infused cost reduction glyphs has a mist form cost of around 110 magicka/second. You will emerge from mist form with more magicka than you started.

I don't see how this is an issue tbf.

You're not gaining more mag than regen glyphs when not in mist. And you dont have spell damage (ESP if you have health regen up through the roof)

Meaning for a set up like this to have teeth is Proc sets - meaning the proc sets are the issue.

An invincible mist build that cant kill is no better than a permablock build.

Again, someone trading the ability to kill to survive is fine; the issue is Proc sets allowing such builds the ability to kill

Proc sets are stupdily op and allow have hard hit damage on tanks yy this is main issue on current patch.. but the mist form bring thing to absolute obvious stupidity when u sipmly cant die do not even use abilites to keep u alive cant be stunned or snarred which at least alow multiple players to force kill on tank but sit in mist form and run around some texutre make u nearly unkilable even in case u are attack by multpile enemies and it require zero.. player actions just toggle immoratality and run.. and still can keep op zaan with destro staff which have decend dmg all u just need to build set tp to slow enemy and keep zaan on it..

sbam66

Having a tough time on magicka dragon knight, would 2 recovery infused or 2 reduced cost work better for overall sustain?

SkaraMinoc

It's a flat reduction so the % is increased for lower cost skills.

For example with Breton, Reduced Cost Glyph and Light Armor, the Crushing Shock skill is around 1500 magicka per cast. With infused it's down to almost 1200 magicka per cast. (~20% reduced cost).

It's really good if you need to spam low cost skills.