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Argonians, Dragons, and Dragonknights

Iccotak
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Doing a bit of research for a character and had a couple of questions.

Are there any mentions of Dragons in Argonian myth and history? Any connection in there somewhere?

Is there any lore that discusses passing down the teachings of Dragonknights?

I am looking more at cultural practices of Argonians. I like to create a theme when making a character.

My Argonian character examples
Nightblade - Shadowscale
Templar - Sunscale
Warden - Ice Wraith (also based on lore bit about an Argonian village that specializes in frost magic)
Necromancer - Death Guardian
Sorcerer - Wamasu

so I was looking for any lore myth on Dragons in Argonian culture
Edited by Iccotak on December 30, 2020 1:37PM
  • VaranisArano
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    You might try the ESO lorebooks that talk about Dragonknights: https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dragonknight
  • Iccotak
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    You might try the ESO lorebooks that talk about Dragonknights: https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Dragonknight

    Is there anything for Dragons relationship with Argonians?
  • Vevvev
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    None that I personally know of. The Argonians don't really have any known recorded history dating back to their interactions with dragons so it's mostly speculation at best. Also we've yet to meet an Argonian storyteller with such a story, which is very important as the modern Argonians know their history through such individuals.
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  • Ratzkifal
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    There isn't much Argonian lore out there. ESO is already the biggest source of lore on them. That being said I am not aware of any connection between Argonians and dragons existing.

    Dragonknights are related to the Akaviri and we know the Akaviri have mysterious ties to the dragons.

    All connections between them boil down to both being considered "lizards".
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • Iccotak
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    Ok, I've read some of the lore and I am confused about these "Dragon powers"

    unless changes have been made - some abilities describe pulling on your dragon blood

    This obviously doesn't mean "Dragonborn" because that requires Blood & Soul of a Dragon - this is not my question

    My question is where does the Dragonblood come from? Is it a metaphor for the power of Mundus? Is it just fancy alteration?
  • Ratzkifal
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    Iccotak wrote: »
    Ok, I've read some of the lore and I am confused about these "Dragon powers"

    unless changes have been made - some abilities describe pulling on your dragon blood

    This obviously doesn't mean "Dragonborn" because that requires Blood & Soul of a Dragon - this is not my question

    My question is where does the Dragonblood come from? Is it a metaphor for the power of Mundus? Is it just fancy alteration?

    The answer to this question is probably part of the mystery about how Akavir and the Dragons are connected. Akavir is the "land of dragons" in the Elven language and the Akaviri are certainly knowledgable about killing dragons. With Dragonknights following an Akaviri tradition, their powers share these ties to the Dragons, whatever those ties may be.

    Sometimes it's frustrating that there are mysteries about this universe that the people living in said universe already know the answer to, but never tell nonetheless. We players have never seen someone from Akavir (without their armor on) and yet with the recent Akaviri invasion and the Akaviri potentates, every person in the pact and almost every person on Tamriel should know what they look like. Frustrating!
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • Iccotak
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    Iccotak wrote: »
    Ok, I've read some of the lore and I am confused about these "Dragon powers"

    unless changes have been made - some abilities describe pulling on your dragon blood

    This obviously doesn't mean "Dragonborn" because that requires Blood & Soul of a Dragon - this is not my question

    My question is where does the Dragonblood come from? Is it a metaphor for the power of Mundus? Is it just fancy alteration?

    The answer to this question is probably part of the mystery about how Akavir and the Dragons are connected. Akavir is the "land of dragons" in the Elven language and the Akaviri are certainly knowledgable about killing dragons. With Dragonknights following an Akaviri tradition, their powers share these ties to the Dragons, whatever those ties may be.

    Sometimes it's frustrating that there are mysteries about this universe that the people living in said universe already know the answer to, but never tell nonetheless. We players have never seen someone from Akavir (without their armor on) and yet with the recent Akaviri invasion and the Akaviri potentates, every person in the pact and almost every person on Tamriel should know what they look like. Frustrating!

    Not just that it’s dealing with implications of a class.

    All the other classes have some basis in existing schools of magic. Dragonknight has fire and earth magic which can be chopped up to destruction and “Mundus” based magic BUT then you get Dragon powers and my immediate question is “How?”

    Players having Dragon blood has big implications and we aren’t talking about it
  • Vevvev
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    I always read it from the perspective of the lorebook written by Gabrielle. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ardent_Flame:_Draconic_or_Endemic?

    In essence Dragonknights are using already discovered magic but cast in a way to appear to be something else. This "Dragonblood" is a restoration spell that causes the blood to coagulate rapidly and form scabs over wounds. It is super fast and instant which would wow people and be seen as unnatural dragon power to the uneducated.

    Basically it's an Akaviri martial arts fighting style meant to mimic the dragon themselves. They wanted to breath fire so they channeled the spell through their mouth instead of their hands, but they don't know the Thu'um that is truly Dragon magic. It's all pretend which is why I tell people Dragonknights use destruction, restoration, and alteration magic. That's all it is when you break it down and map it all out.
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  • Ratzkifal
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    I always read it from the perspective of the lorebook written by Gabrielle. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ardent_Flame:_Draconic_or_Endemic?

    In essence Dragonknights are using already discovered magic but cast in a way to appear to be something else. This "Dragonblood" is a restoration spell that causes the blood to coagulate rapidly and form scabs over wounds. It is super fast and instant which would wow people and be seen as unnatural dragon power to the uneducated.

    Basically it's an Akaviri martial arts fighting style meant to mimic the dragon themselves. They wanted to breath fire so they channeled the spell through their mouth instead of their hands, but they don't know the Thu'um that is truly Dragon magic. It's all pretend which is why I tell people Dragonknights use destruction, restoration, and alteration magic. That's all it is when you break it down and map it all out.

    I always thought of the Akaviri kiai being essentially the same thing, but yet not quite the same thing, as the Thu'um. Just like the Thu'um is a form of tonal magic, same as tonal architecture and the spinners warp reality by telling stories. They are all forms of magicka-less magic that uses sounds-turned-vibrations of reality to affect the world and it is my guess that the kiai is another form of that same underlying concept.
    In that case the Dragonknights would be using something akin to the Thu'um but not actually the Thu'um for the powers that aren't clearly destruction, restoration or alteration magic - the stuff that makes them spawn wings for example.
    The skills only cost magicka ingame for balance reasons, because they can't not cost magicka.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • flavmad09
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    I always read it from the perspective of the lorebook written by Gabrielle. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ardent_Flame:_Draconic_or_Endemic?

    In essence Dragonknights are using already discovered magic but cast in a way to appear to be something else. This "Dragonblood" is a restoration spell that causes the blood to coagulate rapidly and form scabs over wounds. It is super fast and instant which would wow people and be seen as unnatural dragon power to the uneducated.

    Basically it's an Akaviri martial arts fighting style meant to mimic the dragon themselves. They wanted to breath fire so they channeled the spell through their mouth instead of their hands, but they don't know the Thu'um that is truly Dragon magic. It's all pretend which is why I tell people Dragonknights use destruction, restoration, and alteration magic. That's all it is when you break it down and map it all out.

    This!

    You have to bear in mind that the schools of magic, for proper study of magecraft, haven't been invented yet. The mages guild, organization that began to teach magic to the comonfolk, is still in its infancy.

    I'd assume dragonknights are hedge mages from the 2nd era, and when magic became more common and studied, such practices fell out of use.
  • Shihp00
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    Argonian scales go Brrrr
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