Of all things/ideas in ESO universe you are releasing old Sykrim or Oblivion content

Vanya

Very simple question I wonder what hardcore fanatics or devs will justifity the fact of Oblivion themed xpack is coming and that Western Skyrim with insane similarity or original Elder Scrolls V skyrim which came in 2011, anyway

Following scenario reminded me on Disney's RECYCLE garbage of Sequel SW triology returning back same characters,locations,planets,skinks,plot,similarites, bs,anyway IF YOU GET MY POINT! Iam not saying Western Skyrim is bad, not at all, but WHY on earth not something new???

Of all places and now expansion Gates of Obvlion?? wtf..

Tis like Skyrim and Oblivion remastered from 2006 and 2011, what is wrong with gaming industry these days, run out of ideas??? Cmon Age of empires remastered,Witcher 3 enchanted edition etc, how can anyone come with something completley new?

Why not go to different continent or planet? Cmon ESO is my fav MMO but you devs should do better ,we need something non related to previous games,

x48rph

It seems to be the thing nowadays. Everything is just a remake or refresh of previous titles/characters/plots/whatever.

emilyhyoyeon

I completely agree but since the Morrowind people and Skyrim people have their rehashed content, as an Oblivion person, I would like mine too at this point. Gold Coast is too small and did not receive chapter attention. I don't think they should have gone as far as (seems likely) using the same antagonist system--Dagon and the gates--though

nukk3r

1. There's not much space left in Tamriel for something new. Other continents? Yokuda is underwater, Atmora is under ice, Akavir won't be a thing before main franchise (likely never as per Todd Howard). Daedric planes? Why would any daedric plane have a mortal invasion outside the main storyline of ESO?
2. Nostalgia sells.

Thormar

Don't blow a gasket, Vanya.
It's only to be expected that ZOS was going to observe the three main anniversaries - Morrowind, Skyrim 2020 and Oblivion 2021.
The good news is ZOS will have a clean slate going into 2022 and at least 2023. Beyond that is anyone's guess... by then TES 6 release may likely be on the horizon.

Vanya

P.S Players will be bored,annoyed and frustrated quickly, dont be like those guys who a

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I completely agree but since the Morrowind people and Skyrim people have their rehashed content, as an Oblivion person, I would like mine too at this point. Gold Coast is too small and did not receive chapter attention. I don't think they should have gone as far as (seems likely) using the same antagonist system--Dagon and the gates--though

Seems fair that you wish your own fav content, at this point probably does not even matter, I wonder when they reach a point when cannot copy older stuff what shall they fashion

Exactly,Dragon,Deardric entities , gates , sigh... Stupid crown creates and some p2w content is my biggest complain along with what I wrote in my current thread.

Vanya

nukk3r wrote: »

1. There's not much space left in Tamriel for something new. Other continents? Yokuda is underwater, Atmora is under ice, Akavir won't be a thing before main franchise (likely never as per Todd Howard). Daedric planes? Why would any daedric plane have a mortal invasion outside the main storyline of ESO?
2. Nostalgia sells.

There is always something besides that they can off canon and create something new, who ever followed and stood loyal to lore purely? It rather want it NOT TO BE FITTING than having same bs as I played in Oblivion or Skyrim even if visuals,story,combat is different its too similar at thi point

Vanya

Thormar wrote: »

Don't blow a gasket, Vanya.
It's only to be expected that ZOS was going to observe the three main anniversaries - Morrowind, Skyrim 2020 and Oblivion 2021.
The good news is ZOS will have a clean slate going into 2022 and at least 2023. Beyond that is anyone's guess... by then TES 6 release may likely be on the horizon.

Yes and ESO may be blown away and die ? let us hope now bigger question how to keep playerbase intrigued when all is released that can be released.. I am curious about clean state

Rukia541

Its not a carbon copy of the games, I don't mind it. But enhanced editions I agree with you on that for most games.. complete remakes are an entire different thing though and take a lot more effort. For example the new FF7. Oblivion is going to look and feel a lot different in ESO.

Its probably much easier for them to revisit known locations from a narrative point of view, they will most likely keep riding on the single player lore as they release I mean I don't see a random kung fu panda expansion coming like what happen to WoW xD.

TwinLamps

I find it lazy, but Im sure no one at zos hq will shed a tear cause I dislike their business decisions

Vanya

Rukia541 wrote: »

Its not a carbon copy of the games, I don't mind it. But enhanced editions I agree with you on that for most games.. complete remakes are an entire different thing though and take a lot more effort. For example the new FF7. Oblivion is going to look and feel a lot different in ESO.

Its probably much easier for them to revisit known locations from a narrative point of view, they will most likely keep riding on the single player lore as they release I mean I don't see a random kung fu panda expansion coming like what happen to WoW xD.

You are aboslutely right, Oblivion experience will loo and "feel" different and it takes more effort but core is essentially the same, maybe its just me but when its purely centered about shuting Oblvion gates of going to epic quest to save the planet from madess of certain Deadra God then yea, I did not mind anything else , but revisiting Western Skyrim, now Gates of Oblivion ,even some areas of Morrowind fels completely pointless

Grizzbeorn

There is nothing wrong with translating the established single-player locales to the MMO format.
It's perfectly natural for players to want to see such an adaptation.

Thormar

Vanya wrote: »

I am curious about clean slate

I am curious and definitely exited about that as well given ZOS has never shied away from tackling tracts of Tamriel previously unexplored in main series entries.

Starlock

When a developer who owns an IP allows another developer to work on a spin-off (in this case, Bethesda Softworks granting license to Zenimax Media use the Elder Scrolls IP to make an MMO), it isn't uncommon to see certain ideas be "off limits" because the developer who owns the IP wants to use those ideas for their flagship title. Utilizing inspiration from previous releases is more likely to get an OK than anything that intersects with the next big Elder Scrolls project. Granted, this may or may not be happening here, but it is something to keep in mind as a possibility.

Personally, I don't have a problem if they want to do something loosely related to Oblivion, especially if one of the zone maps is a plane of oblivion. The fact that we haven't had a content expansion where a plane of oblivion is a significant, explorable zone is really quite odd. The only thing that came close to that since the base game is Clockwork City, which is a fantastic piece of work for how unique and distinct it is. It's time for a zone of oblivion to be an explorable zone. Past time. Whether that's the Deadlands or something else doesn't much matter to me.

Iccotak

Well let's wait and see what Gates of Oblivion will entail.

There's some good evidence that Gates of Oblivion will heavily involve Black Marsh. Bringing something familiar into something new.

Like when ESO brought Dragons in Elsweyr

trackdemon5512

Very simple. Do you understand how much work needs to go into making a completely brand new zone? The amount of testing, new art, assets, geometry, etc? Summerset itself took forever to do and players complained because it was smaller than Vvardenfell. The difference though is that Summerset also looked completely new and different from anything before.

Elsweyr also took quite some time but the developer strain was minimized a bit by switching to the year long story format. Now all 4 DLCs share similar assets making them easier to develop within the short time frames. Prior to that remember just how different in appearance dungeons and areas were from one another as DLC jumped during the year. From Vvardenfell to Clockwork City to Fang Lair and finally Summerset were huge jumps.

So yes nostalgia sells but it’s easier for now for the developers to successfully complete. Lest you want ZOS to push out a product similar to Cyberpunk 2077 in which absolutely nothing works.

Finedaible

Apocrypha, Colored Rooms, Evergloam, Fields of Regret, Hunting Grounds, Moonshadow, Quagmire (aka Dreamstride), Boethiah's Realm, The Scuttling Void, The Spiral Skein, and countless more.... So many unexplored places and they choose the places that have already been explored in previous games... They haven't explored anything original since Coldharbour and I cannot understand why. They gave us some stunning glimpses of Evergloam, Spiral Skein, and Hunting Grounds during a select few quests/delves yet it baffles me why they don't seize the opportunity to make a fully-fledged zone out of these intriguing places. There is sooooooooo much untapped potential being squandered on mediocre nostalgia and rehash storylines.

OtarTheMad

Different continent or planet? Well, that's not going to happen. Like someone else said... Yokuda is underwater, Atmora still has Atmorans on it (since Tiber hasn't migrated yet) but it is largely frozen over, Aldmeris is gone, and it sounds like Bethesda doesn't want Akavir released or touched at all so I doubt they would give ESO the green light. As for traveling in space... how can we justify that in the second era? Yeah... no.

The only thing I could see traveling to someday is that Sea Elf island but it's probably not very big. We only have so many areas left and honestly, from the sounds of the forums whining, it wouldn't matter when this idea would be released. It could be 2030 and the last ESO content and people would moan "really? Dagon and Oblivion rehash"... get over it... there are only so many big bads... some are bounds to repeat in Elder Scrolls games. They could have gone with another Daedric Prince I guess but Dagon is the most destructive out of the ones left not used in big DLC's... kind of makes sense he wouldn't just sit around and do nothing while Tamriel/Nirn is "weak".

As for lands, well, we don't have a ton left. Here's what I saw on the ESO game map: (not counting Daedric Planes)
1. Whiterun, The Pale and Winterhold left in Skyrim
2. Far east part of Morrowind (Necrom area), Blacklight part as well
3. A lot of Black Marsh
4. Area in between Gold coast Cyrodiil and pvp land, area between pvp and Black Marsh
5. Some part of land in between North and South Elsweyr
6. A good chunk of Hammerfell.
7. Solstheim

So you see it would be dumb to avoid an area that would spark conversations like this because you can do it with probably any of them...
1. Whiterun or any part of remaining Skyrim... return to Skyrim game
2. Morrowind parts remaining... return to Morrowind, even if these parts weren't in it
3. Black Marsh... boring argonians
4. any part of Cyrodiil... return to Oblivion
5. Part of Elsweyr that is left is small so, probably won't do done or it'll be tied to another land
6. any part of Hammerfell... leaning on TES 6 desire
7. Solstheim... return to Skyrim.

Iccotak

Finedaible wrote: »

Apocrypha, Colored Rooms, Evergloam, Fields of Regret, Hunting Grounds, Moonshadow, Quagmire (aka Dreamstride), Boethiah's Realm, The Scuttling Void, The Spiral Skein, and countless more.... So many unexplored places and they choose the places that have already been explored in previous games... They haven't explored anything original since Coldharbour and I cannot understand why. They gave us some stunning glimpses of Evergloam, Spiral Skein, and Hunting Grounds during a select few quests/delves yet it baffles me why they don't seize the opportunity to make a fully-fledged zone out of these intriguing places. There is sooooooooo much untapped potential being squandered on mediocre nostalgia and rehash storylines.

You do realize we don’t know what planes of oblivion we could be going to besides Deadlands right?

Everyone is acting like they know everything the new chapter will have when we frankly don’t. Let’s Wait & See

Also Apocrypha was explored in Skyrim: Dragonborn DLC back in 2013. So if they went there it’d still be returning to something seen in a previous game.

Hunting Grounds have been seen in Skyrim as well as ESO.

The Map of Tamriel still has like upward to 45% still waiting to be explored.
That doesn't include other planes of existence, other areas within Blackreach, or hidden Vales, etc.

EDIT: More like over 50% of the Map is still empty

Tremuto

I forgot that Oblivion plays exactly like ESO.

VaranisArano

After Vvardenfell, dragons, Skyrim, and now rehashing major plot elements of TES IV, it seems pretty clear that ZOS has decided that nostalgia sells.

And after they admitted that this coming year's content is going to be light on new game systems, I can see why they decided to bank hard on nostalgia and preexisting lore/design elements. It sells AND its easier for the devs and artists to work with, compared to something like Summerset or Elsweyr that explored new cultures and locations.

Iccotak

OtarTheMad wrote: »

3. Black Marsh... boring argonians

How Dare You

Aptonoth

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Different continent or planet? Well, that's not going to happen. Like someone else said... Yokuda is underwater, Atmora still has Atmorans on it (since Tiber hasn't migrated yet) but it is largely frozen over, Aldmeris is gone, and it sounds like Bethesda doesn't want Akavir released or touched at all so I doubt they would give ESO the green light. As for traveling in space... how can we justify that in the second era? Yeah... no.

The only thing I could see traveling to someday is that Sea Elf island but it's probably not very big. We only have so many areas left and honestly, from the sounds of the forums whining, it wouldn't matter when this idea would be released. It could be 2030 and the last ESO content and people would moan "really? Dagon and Oblivion rehash"... get over it... there are only so many big bads... some are bounds to repeat in Elder Scrolls games. They could have gone with another Daedric Prince I guess but Dagon is the most destructive out of the ones left not used in big DLC's... kind of makes sense he wouldn't just sit around and do nothing while Tamriel/Nirn is "weak".

As for lands, well, we don't have a ton left. Here's what I saw on the ESO game map: (not counting Daedric Planes)
1. Whiterun, The Pale and Winterhold left in Skyrim
2. Far east part of Morrowind (Necrom area), Blacklight part as well
3. A lot of Black Marsh
4. Area in between Gold coast Cyrodiil and pvp land, area between pvp and Black Marsh
5. Some part of land in between North and South Elsweyr
6. A good chunk of Hammerfell.
7. Solstheim

So you see it would be dumb to avoid an area that would spark conversations like this because you can do it with probably any of them...
1. Whiterun or any part of remaining Skyrim... return to Skyrim game
2. Morrowind parts remaining... return to Morrowind, even if these parts weren't in it
3. Black Marsh... boring argonians
4. any part of Cyrodiil... return to Oblivion
5. Part of Elsweyr that is left is small so, probably won't do done or it'll be tied to another land
6. any part of Hammerfell... leaning on TES 6 desire
7. Solstheim... return to Skyrim.

Dev's have said many many times they want to do the entire continent and even hinted Pyandinea is the first place they want to go after continent is done. Its only a guessing game the order it will all be in. We know they are currently doing expansions for provinces that have no expansion left or are not base game. So Cyrodil is next then its either blackmarsh or hammerfell. Then once the other one is done we will start going back to filling in areas that need stuff. Also they did say that stuff like Blackreach and other weird stuff could be done as well but will be its entire DLC as they had people who couldn't find blackreach (somehow?!?!) in western skyrim. Let's look at what's left.

In no particular order. 2 cyrodil year expansions, 2 black marsh years, 1 more skyrim, 2 morrowind expansions (I expect solsthiem will be in a morrowind year), 1 wood elf (falinesti), 1 wrothgar/reach one, 2 hammerfell years, and 1 khajit year. So that is easily a minimum of 12 years of continent and some of these will likely come in mixed years I expect the central Elsy year to have a deadric relam with it obviously or some sort of weird zone for dlc. On top of that fans are interested already in going back to black reach and clockwork city one last time before we have a big grand hurrah and set sail for Pyondinea.

x48rph

Starlock wrote: »

When a developer who owns an IP allows another developer to work on a spin-off (in this case, Bethesda Softworks granting license to Zenimax Media use the Elder Scrolls IP to make an MMO), it isn't uncommon to see certain ideas be "off limits" because the developer who owns the IP wants to use those ideas for their flagship title. Utilizing inspiration from previous releases is more likely to get an OK than anything that intersects with the next big Elder Scrolls project. Granted, this may or may not be happening here, but it is something to keep in mind as a possibility.

Personally, I don't have a problem if they want to do something loosely related to Oblivion, especially if one of the zone maps is a plane of oblivion. The fact that we haven't had a content expansion where a plane of oblivion is a significant, explorable zone is really quite odd. The only thing that came close to that since the base game is Clockwork City, which is a fantastic piece of work for how unique and distinct it is. It's time for a zone of oblivion to be an explorable zone. Past time. Whether that's the Deadlands or something else doesn't much matter to me.

Bethesda is a subsidiary of Zenimax Media so I think it's more a case of all of them protecting any future projects then bethesda just not allowing it. The fact that ESO happens in the past has already complicated things and made them come up with sort of lame excuses for stuff like why Cyrodil isn't a jungle. I'd imagine they want to limit that kind of stuff since the ES universe will live on long past when ESO dies.

Devil_Keyz

Starlock wrote: »

When a developer who owns an IP allows another developer to work on a spin-off (in this case, Bethesda Softworks granting license to Zenimax Media use the Elder Scrolls IP to make an MMO), it isn't uncommon to see certain ideas be "off limits" because the developer who owns the IP wants to use those ideas for their flagship title. Utilizing inspiration from previous releases is more likely to get an OK than anything that intersects with the next big Elder Scrolls project. Granted, this may or may not be happening here, but it is something to keep in mind as a possibility.

Personally, I don't have a problem if they want to do something loosely related to Oblivion, especially if one of the zone maps is a plane of oblivion. The fact that we haven't had a content expansion where a plane of oblivion is a significant, explorable zone is really quite odd. The only thing that came close to that since the base game is Clockwork City, which is a fantastic piece of work for how unique and distinct it is. It's time for a zone of oblivion to be an explorable zone. Past time. Whether that's the Deadlands or something else doesn't much matter to me.

Coldharbour from the base game..

Araneae6537

I would love to see more of Vvardenfell and Falinesti! I would also enjoy more local stories rather than always having to prevent the next cataclysm that could destroy all Tamriel or even all of Nirn. I think that Wrothgar was very well done and only thing that could have made it even better, IMHO, would be a choice of whom you side with in the end, not that I would have chosen differently, but it makes me feel more invested when it’s a choice I’ve made — plus it adds to replayability in my opinion.

OtarTheMad

Aptonoth wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Different continent or planet? Well, that's not going to happen. Like someone else said... Yokuda is underwater, Atmora still has Atmorans on it (since Tiber hasn't migrated yet) but it is largely frozen over, Aldmeris is gone, and it sounds like Bethesda doesn't want Akavir released or touched at all so I doubt they would give ESO the green light. As for traveling in space... how can we justify that in the second era? Yeah... no.

The only thing I could see traveling to someday is that Sea Elf island but it's probably not very big. We only have so many areas left and honestly, from the sounds of the forums whining, it wouldn't matter when this idea would be released. It could be 2030 and the last ESO content and people would moan "really? Dagon and Oblivion rehash"... get over it... there are only so many big bads... some are bounds to repeat in Elder Scrolls games. They could have gone with another Daedric Prince I guess but Dagon is the most destructive out of the ones left not used in big DLC's... kind of makes sense he wouldn't just sit around and do nothing while Tamriel/Nirn is "weak".

As for lands, well, we don't have a ton left. Here's what I saw on the ESO game map: (not counting Daedric Planes)
1. Whiterun, The Pale and Winterhold left in Skyrim
2. Far east part of Morrowind (Necrom area), Blacklight part as well
3. A lot of Black Marsh
4. Area in between Gold coast Cyrodiil and pvp land, area between pvp and Black Marsh
5. Some part of land in between North and South Elsweyr
6. A good chunk of Hammerfell.
7. Solstheim

So you see it would be dumb to avoid an area that would spark conversations like this because you can do it with probably any of them...
1. Whiterun or any part of remaining Skyrim... return to Skyrim game
2. Morrowind parts remaining... return to Morrowind, even if these parts weren't in it
3. Black Marsh... boring argonians
4. any part of Cyrodiil... return to Oblivion
5. Part of Elsweyr that is left is small so, probably won't do done or it'll be tied to another land
6. any part of Hammerfell... leaning on TES 6 desire
7. Solstheim... return to Skyrim.

Dev's have said many many times they want to do the entire continent and even hinted Pyandinea is the first place they want to go after continent is done. Its only a guessing game the order it will all be in. We know they are currently doing expansions for provinces that have no expansion left or are not base game. So Cyrodil is next then its either blackmarsh or hammerfell. Then once the other one is done we will start going back to filling in areas that need stuff. Also they did say that stuff like Blackreach and other weird stuff could be done as well but will be its entire DLC as they had people who couldn't find blackreach (somehow?!?!) in western skyrim. Let's look at what's left.

In no particular order. 2 cyrodil year expansions, 2 black marsh years, 1 more skyrim, 2 morrowind expansions (I expect solsthiem will be in a morrowind year), 1 wood elf (falinesti), 1 wrothgar/reach one, 2 hammerfell years, and 1 khajit year. So that is easily a minimum of 12 years of continent and some of these will likely come in mixed years I expect the central Elsy year to have a deadric relam with it obviously or some sort of weird zone for dlc. On top of that fans are interested already in going back to black reach and clockwork city one last time before we have a big grand hurrah and set sail for Pyondinea.

This is the game map updated for latest DLC:


They do have plenty of areas left to go and that's not even counting Daedric Planes we have not seen yet and also other planes of existence like pocket planes, Soul Cairn, Battlespire etc. Not sure they will have just one year of Skyrim... only because The Pale hold is pretty big and so is Whiterun hold but who knows.

I would love to see the other continents but Todd Howard, who is head of Bethesda, has said that he wants to leave some things a mystery. He said in an interview last year that one part of Skyrim, probably one of the DLCs we didn't get, was Uriel Septim invading Skyrim with dragons but he decided not to do it because he wanted Akavir to remain mysterious. It'd be cool if he green lights it though but not until after all of Tamriel is done first.

Then you have to look at the fact that ZOS is developing another MMO with a new engine that sounds like a big project, MMO's take time to make but when that's out how much focus will be on this game? I don't mind nostalgia trips and them taking a more business/marketing path and trying play on Oblivion... it's smart honestly. Also, let's face it Oblivion was a great game but in terms of gameplay and graphics... it's ancient.

I am looking forward to this next year and what the Gates of Oblivion is all about, I have theories but I am excited to see what they can do. But as I was trying to point out in my first post people will always tie whatever ZOS does to something of the past.... I mean heck you could even say anything with Hammerfell is not only leaning on TES 6 hype but also the game Redguard

OtarTheMad

Iccotak wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

3. Black Marsh... boring argonians

How Dare You

LoL, I would love to see Black Marsh and expand on the current lore but that's just what I see people saying.

omegatay_ESO

I know some love the lizards, but there voices drive me nuts. The content we have is enough in my opinion.

Aptonoth

omegatay_ESO wrote: »

I know some love the lizards, but there voices drive me nuts. The content we have is enough in my opinion.

You don't understand how MMO's work do you?

SeaGtGruff

Wait, that updated map shows Elsweyr as "Purchase Only Not in ESO Plus." I thought it had been demoted to a normal DLC months ago?