BEWARE!!!!!!! Multiple Walls of Frost cause crashes!!!

Olupajmibanan

Hi,

I am writting here so everybody can see it and not fall into annoying crashes.

When two or more people cast Wall of Frost (any morph) at the exact same time, a random person around them (may include casters) will crash. We were able to replicate the crash in 100% of experimental cases. Sometimes casters crash, sometimes people around them. The only condition is that the cast of both (or more casters) must perfectly match.

After removing frost blockades from our trial group, we were experiencing significantly less crashes than usual. Not all crashes are caused by Wall of Frost, but at least you'll avoid the most frequent ones this way.

I suspect this happens due to graphic extensive frost shield animation but I'll leave this to ZoS to investigate.

Thank you and stay safe, uncrashed!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @Alcast @Masel @Nefas @T3hasiangod

NoMoreChillies

just make Destruction Staff Frost for destruction please. Tanking/shielding does not belong

Olupajmibanan

To add, Wall of Storms and Wall of Fire does not seem to cause crashes. Crashes appear to be exclusive to Wall of Frost cast.

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

just make Destruction Staff Frost for destruction please. Tanking/shielding does not belong

Are you serious? This is a game breaking problem that plagues a lot of end-game PvErs and PvPers alike and all what concerns you is frost staff being a tanking weapon?

NoMoreChillies

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

To add, Wall of Storms and Wall of Fire does not seem to cause crashes. Crashes appear to be exclusive to Wall of Frost cast.

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

just make Destruction Staff Frost for destruction please. Tanking/shielding does not belong

Are you serious? This is a game breaking problem that plagues a lot of end-game PvErs and PvPers alike and all what concerns you is frost staff being a tanking weapon?

yes i am serious. This change would fix the problem.

Cloudtrader

If this is the case, they should just tone down the animation, not change the skill. Please bug-report this OP, it might help!

Olupajmibanan

Okay, to keep the discussion on topic, some additional findings:

Crashes caused by Wall of Frost occur regardless of being grouped. Even people that are not in the group with casters can crash. I haven't personally tested this in Cyrodiil, but it is very likely that even two players (one ally, one enemy) casting Wall of Frost at the same time will cause crash. That would explain so many crashes in Cyrodiil. With a lot of players at one place with Walls of Frost, there is a high probability that 2 of them will unintentionally cast it at the same time.

emilyhyoyeon

I've been playing an ice only magwarden DD since Markarth and the WoE thing would explain a lot of my crashes. The animation is ridiculous. It should be a textured body-suit effect like defensive posture.

I'm a proponent for destruction magic being destruction based not alteration based, and I don't wait to derail the topic, but I do think splitting the WoE morphs as a tank morph and damage morph would help. If one morph were a damage morph, there would be less unnecessary shield animations. When I use it on my ice DD, I don't need or want the shield.

Grandchamp1989

Everything seems to cause crashes in this game.

Literally stood still in BRF out of combat and crashed.

Been months now.

Still can't finish White Gold Tower because ghost perma glitch..

It's honestly embarassing....

Olupajmibanan

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I've been playing an ice only magwarden DD since Markarth and the WoE thing would explain a lot of my crashes. The animation is ridiculous. It should be a textured body-suit effect like defensive posture.

I'm a proponent for destruction magic being destruction based not alteration based, and I don't wait to derail the topic, but I do think splitting the WoE morphs as a tank morph and damage morph would help. If one morph were a damage morph, there would be less unnecessary shield animations. When I use it on my ice DD, I don't need or want the shield.

That's how we found the crash cause. We noticed that when duo frost Magwarden (I, as a trial leader, usually ask my trial group to bring 1 duo frost magwarden for good Minor Brittle uptimes) was present, we experienced noticeably more crashes than in trials where no duo frost magwarden was present.

ArchMikem

I wonder if the bug is the game trying to apply two shields to the same player and it has a stroke.

Vevvev

This is probably why I crashed during that one dolmen run. Good to know!

Dracane

That explain what happened to those tryharding wardens the other day. Spammed wall of frost and at some point, they all just stood still and let it happen.

Leave it in the game. Wall of Frost really needs some regulation. It was intended for pve, where everyone hates it and in pvp, it just creates yet another hard counter to ranged builds. We already have too many abilities that do that.

eovogtb16_ESO

We've had multiple crashes in trials before anyone even gets to the first set of mobs or even casts any skills.

CrashTest

This explains why I mostly crash as tank or heals.

WiseSky

thanks

zaria

Silently equip alts with frost staffs to use in towns

Olupajmibanan

zaria wrote: »

Silently equip alts with frost staffs to use in towns

That's why hotfixing this should be of top priority.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I shared the information along with bug reporting to help all those trial groups that struggle with crashing like hell until it gets fixed. But I don't want to imagine what trolls () can do with such information.

Sinolai

Thanks for the info. If only we had known this before our TTT run. We spent 2 hours of our 2,5h raid time crashing and even when we completed it, we had to Keep 1 player alive in front of assembl ygeneral's foot while he was disconnecting (miraculously, he logged in back to the game exactly same time as Assembly general fell and even he got the TTT in the end).

Regarding to the staff, I love the brittle mechanic and removal of taunt from HA, but I agree, the shield is lame. Give us the slow back. AoE Snare was awesome support tool for tank and healer already.

robpr

So it's still crash related to too many effects at the same time? Notice how fps drop for split second to like 8 when someone casts the shield.

Coatmagic

Well, duh?

Every time ZoS adds new graphics it causes problems due to the code being an absolute shambles.

zaria

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Silently equip alts with frost staffs to use in towns

That's why hotfixing this should be of top priority.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I shared the information along with bug reporting to help all those trial groups that struggle with crashing like hell until it gets fixed. But I don't want to imagine what trolls () can do with such information.

Now I wonder how this work for the Alkir dolmen farming, guess plenty uses ice staffs there.

eovogtb16_ESO

Well this is false after trying to replicate the issue with a whole group spamming frost staffs nobody even crashed, if anything it stops people fr crashing.

Olupajmibanan

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

Well this is false after trying to replicate the issue with a whole group spamming frost staffs nobody even crashed, if anything it stops people fr crashing.

It must be cast at the EXACT same time. Otherwise, you may happily spam frost blockades with no crashes. That's why the crashes from frost blockades are so random, the possibility of casting two blockades at the exact same time is low, but it happens.

eovogtb16_ESO

I mean it wouldnt surprise me with all of the bugs that were introduced with markarth but like I said we had people hitting it at the same time for ~5 minutes and it did nothing.

CaiWenji

Are your particle effects slider on max? Mine was and this used to crash me too. I turned it to minimum I think like 700 something, and I haven't crashed since.

JamieAubrey

Great, now lets hope every ball group crashes

zaria

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

I mean it wouldnt surprise me with all of the bugs that were introduced with markarth but like I said we had people hitting it at the same time for ~5 minutes and it did nothing.

This would be much more likely to cause it than two tanks in an trial using frost staffs as they will be unlikely to use it at the same tick while you was trying to get it go off at once at least I guess people tried to cast at once.

Daemons_Bane

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

just make Destruction Staff Frost for destruction please. Tanking/shielding does not belong

Even better, remove everything that has to do with taunt from the ice staff and let it be a damage/shield hybrid

molecule

I find it hard to believe this would of slipped past the vigorous testing and QA that Zos have in place.

zvavi

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

just make Destruction Staff Frost for destruction please. Tanking/shielding does not belong

Even better, remove everything that has to do with taunt from the ice staff and let it be a damage/shield hybrid

Lol. The "taunt" ability is useless for tanks, it's existence doesn't make the weapon any more tank weapon. It is already damage/shield hybrid...

Kilnerdyne

molecule wrote: »

I find it hard to believe this would of slipped past the vigorous testing and QA that Zos have in place.