As a Dwemer fan, ESO in 2020 was a great year for me. Here's hoping 2021 is the same for Ayleid fans

B0SSzombie

So many new, high quality furnishings between Antiquities and Markarth (and Crown Crates), a gorgeous new motif, a new pet design, a reskin of the old Dwarven Wolf mount, a Dwarven Colossus not locked behind Trial or Dungeon content, the Dwarven Dynastor enemy, and confirmation of a Manor sized Dwemer home has just been great!

Sure, there's the whole argument about the new gold colors vs the old bronze colors, but that doesn't bother me at all. If you incorporate equal amounts of both colors, and even throw in other metallic colored objects, it looks just fine! I'm just happy to have gotten so much content!

I hope that Ayleid fans, our even more neglected cousins, get some good stuff next year. Whether it's Cyrodiil or Black Marsh, the Ayleids did have a strong presence there!

Hell, there hasn't even been a single Ayleid home yet as far as I'm aware, and there's only a handful of stupidly hard to find Craftable Furnishings, so there's not much to show off even if there was one!

Fingers crossed for you guys!

Araneae6537

I really really hope so!!! There are so many Ayleid type furnishings I want including the archways and tree doors we see in many of the ruins! I love all things Elven so that would get me excited for the next chapter! Otherwise, I’m not so interested in human goings on and I never got that into Oblivion — or at least I got tired of closing gates and before ever getting to the next part of the story...

M_Volsung

Now I need to somehow scrounge up a couple hundred crown gems to get those dwemer furnishings from the akiviri crates.

katanagirl1

I really like the new Markarth style Dwarven plans, but have only found some green ones and a couple of blue ones.

For me the drop rate of Solitude plans to Dwarven plans in the Reach zone seems to be somewhere between about 10:1 and 20:1. I’m already passing the duplicate Solitude greens to my alts and will soon do the same to the blues soon because I don’t have room in the trader to sell them and they aren’t worth much at this point.

Aliyavana

was about to blast this thread for stating that ayleids were neglected since they were put all over Tamriel in the base game but then remembered that this was in the housing section, agreed on that part.

bluebird

B0SSzombie wrote: »

Sure, there's the whole argument about the new gold colors vs the old bronze colors, but that doesn't bother me at all. If you incorporate equal amounts of both colors, and even throw in other metallic colored objects, it looks just fine! I'm just happy to have gotten so much content!

As a Dwemer fan, ESO in 2020 was a terrible year for me.
As a luxe Art Deco fan, the fancy gold and white geometric mansion is nice. But not as a Dwemer fan.

It's nice if people - like yourself - aren't bothered by it, but let's be real, literally nobody was asking for a white and gold Dwemer recolor style, so you would have been fine if they added proper Dwemer furniture and a proper Dwemer mansion instead (which people have been asking for, for years).



Mixing proper Dwemer and white-and-gold Dwemer doesn't really look okay. Sure you can technically do it, but you can also mix new Dwemer with Alinor or Clockwork, and it looks much more fitting to different styles. So there is less similarity between the two Dwemer styles, and more similarity between Dwemer and completely different styles, so it's a pretty divided style now.

And since you mentioned Ayleid for next year, what's that going to be? Another white stone style? After the new white stone Dwemer style, and after the Alinor style? It will be incredibly boring. They should have left Dwemer dark stone and bronze, and kept white stone for Ayleid. Guess they can recolor Ayleid into dark stone and make that a totally different new style next year, just as they did with Dwemer, and I'm sure they will be people who won't mind that either. Still, 3 'Dwemer' homes all of which are an icy/white version, and don't match the 96 old Dwemer dark-and-bronze items we've had for years is hardly a good thing for housing or for Dwemer fans. Before Markarth I was still hopeful that we would one day get a proper Dwemer house. Now, that dream is crushed.

Don't want to hijack the thread, and I did like the luxurious gold and white mansion in itself; I just don't think the division of the Dwemer style with white-and-gold recolors and 3 non-matching white Dwemer houses can be considered a good thing for Dwemer housing fans, and as a result, I have very little hope for Ayleid next year either. But, I hope I'll be wrong! Fingers crossed for 2021.

Araneae6537

bluebird wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

Sure, there's the whole argument about the new gold colors vs the old bronze colors, but that doesn't bother me at all. If you incorporate equal amounts of both colors, and even throw in other metallic colored objects, it looks just fine! I'm just happy to have gotten so much content!

As a Dwemer fan, ESO in 2020 was a terrible year for me.
As a luxe Art Deco fan, the fancy gold and white geometric mansion is nice. But not as a Dwemer fan.

It's nice if people - like yourself - aren't bothered by it, but let's be real, literally nobody was asking for a white and gold Dwemer recolor style, so you would have been fine if they added proper Dwemer furniture and a proper Dwemer mansion instead (which people have been asking for, for years).



Mixing proper Dwemer and white-and-gold Dwemer doesn't really look okay. Sure you can technically do it, but you can also mix new Dwemer with Alinor or Clockwork, and it looks much more fitting to different styles. So there is less similarity between the two Dwemer styles, and more similarity between Dwemer and completely different styles, so it's a pretty divided style now.

And since you mentioned Ayleid for next year, what's that going to be? Another white stone style? After the new white stone Dwemer style, and after the Alinor style? It will be incredibly boring. They should have left Dwemer dark stone and bronze, and kept white stone for Ayleid. Guess they can recolor Ayleid into dark stone and make that a totally different new style next year, just as they did with Dwemer, and I'm sure they will be people who won't mind that either. Still, 3 'Dwemer' homes all of which are an icy/white version, and don't match the 96 old Dwemer dark-and-bronze items we've had for years is hardly a good thing for housing or for Dwemer fans. Before Markarth I was still hopeful that we would one day get a proper Dwemer house. Now, that dream is crushed.

Don't want to hijack the thread, and I did like the luxurious gold and white mansion in itself; I just don't think the division of the Dwemer style with white-and-gold recolors and 3 non-matching white Dwemer houses can be considered a good thing for Dwemer housing fans, and as a result, I have very little hope for Ayleid next year either. But, I hope I'll be wrong! Fingers crossed for 2021.

I would rather an Ayleid style focus on wrought iron type of furnishings — like the grates available from the Crown store and the beautiful arches seen at every Ayleid ruin.

Of course we also see Ayleid furnishings of stone, but I think we already have access to most of what we see in game, with the exception of the door with the glowing engraved tree. Elegant metal furnishings (not more utilitarian blockish style) would compliment existing furnishings nicely in my opinion and be something I would love to decorate with! I was hoping vampiric furnishings might be designed this way but instead we mostly got wooden spikes of all things!

bluebird

Araneae6537 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

Sure, there's the whole argument about the new gold colors vs the old bronze colors, but that doesn't bother me at all. If you incorporate equal amounts of both colors, and even throw in other metallic colored objects, it looks just fine! I'm just happy to have gotten so much content!

As a Dwemer fan, ESO in 2020 was a terrible year for me.
As a luxe Art Deco fan, the fancy gold and white geometric mansion is nice. But not as a Dwemer fan.

It's nice if people - like yourself - aren't bothered by it, but let's be real, literally nobody was asking for a white and gold Dwemer recolor style, so you would have been fine if they added proper Dwemer furniture and a proper Dwemer mansion instead (which people have been asking for, for years).



Mixing proper Dwemer and white-and-gold Dwemer doesn't really look okay. Sure you can technically do it, but you can also mix new Dwemer with Alinor or Clockwork, and it looks much more fitting to different styles. So there is less similarity between the two Dwemer styles, and more similarity between Dwemer and completely different styles, so it's a pretty divided style now.

And since you mentioned Ayleid for next year, what's that going to be? Another white stone style? After the new white stone Dwemer style, and after the Alinor style? It will be incredibly boring. They should have left Dwemer dark stone and bronze, and kept white stone for Ayleid. Guess they can recolor Ayleid into dark stone and make that a totally different new style next year, just as they did with Dwemer, and I'm sure they will be people who won't mind that either. Still, 3 'Dwemer' homes all of which are an icy/white version, and don't match the 96 old Dwemer dark-and-bronze items we've had for years is hardly a good thing for housing or for Dwemer fans. Before Markarth I was still hopeful that we would one day get a proper Dwemer house. Now, that dream is crushed.

Don't want to hijack the thread, and I did like the luxurious gold and white mansion in itself; I just don't think the division of the Dwemer style with white-and-gold recolors and 3 non-matching white Dwemer houses can be considered a good thing for Dwemer housing fans, and as a result, I have very little hope for Ayleid next year either. But, I hope I'll be wrong! Fingers crossed for 2021.

I would rather an Ayleid style focus on wrought iron type of furnishings — like the grates available from the Crown store and the beautiful arches seen at every Ayleid ruin.

Of course we also see Ayleid furnishings of stone, but I think we already have access to most of what we see in game, with the exception of the door with the glowing engraved tree. Elegant metal furnishings (not more utilitarian blockish style) would compliment existing furnishings nicely in my opinion and be something I would love to decorate with! I was hoping vampiric furnishings might be designed this way but instead we mostly got wooden spikes of all things!

Sure, metal would be nice, but Ayleid is white stone. We already have Ayleid furniture and they are white stone. All Ayleid ruins and other bits of ayleid architecture (pillars, arches, luxury furniture items) also include white stone.

Dwemer wasn't a white stone style, and yet they made all 3 player houses white stone, and added the new white stone Dwemer assets as furniture. Will they never add an Ayleid house? If they do, surely it will be white stone (unless they reskin Ayleid into dark stone by whatever reverse logic), and we'll have Alinor, Aldmer, Nibenese, new Dwemer and Ayleid which are white stone structures. Or, now Ayleid can't be white stone, because they already made Dwemer that and Ayleid will need to metal instead (which is doubly hilarious since most old Dwemer furniture are pure metal so if you want metal furniture, old Dwemer is your friend).

I think it would be better if styles would double down on their uniqueness (e.g. dark stone, geometry, and worn metal for Dwemer; vine motifs, white stone and gems for Ayleid), rather than making incursions into other styles' aesthetics, as this brand-new shiny luxurious Dwemer gold-and-white did.

Araneae6537

bluebird wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

Sure, there's the whole argument about the new gold colors vs the old bronze colors, but that doesn't bother me at all. If you incorporate equal amounts of both colors, and even throw in other metallic colored objects, it looks just fine! I'm just happy to have gotten so much content!

As a Dwemer fan, ESO in 2020 was a terrible year for me.
As a luxe Art Deco fan, the fancy gold and white geometric mansion is nice. But not as a Dwemer fan.

It's nice if people - like yourself - aren't bothered by it, but let's be real, literally nobody was asking for a white and gold Dwemer recolor style, so you would have been fine if they added proper Dwemer furniture and a proper Dwemer mansion instead (which people have been asking for, for years).



Mixing proper Dwemer and white-and-gold Dwemer doesn't really look okay. Sure you can technically do it, but you can also mix new Dwemer with Alinor or Clockwork, and it looks much more fitting to different styles. So there is less similarity between the two Dwemer styles, and more similarity between Dwemer and completely different styles, so it's a pretty divided style now.

And since you mentioned Ayleid for next year, what's that going to be? Another white stone style? After the new white stone Dwemer style, and after the Alinor style? It will be incredibly boring. They should have left Dwemer dark stone and bronze, and kept white stone for Ayleid. Guess they can recolor Ayleid into dark stone and make that a totally different new style next year, just as they did with Dwemer, and I'm sure they will be people who won't mind that either. Still, 3 'Dwemer' homes all of which are an icy/white version, and don't match the 96 old Dwemer dark-and-bronze items we've had for years is hardly a good thing for housing or for Dwemer fans. Before Markarth I was still hopeful that we would one day get a proper Dwemer house. Now, that dream is crushed.

Don't want to hijack the thread, and I did like the luxurious gold and white mansion in itself; I just don't think the division of the Dwemer style with white-and-gold recolors and 3 non-matching white Dwemer houses can be considered a good thing for Dwemer housing fans, and as a result, I have very little hope for Ayleid next year either. But, I hope I'll be wrong! Fingers crossed for 2021.

I would rather an Ayleid style focus on wrought iron type of furnishings — like the grates available from the Crown store and the beautiful arches seen at every Ayleid ruin.

Of course we also see Ayleid furnishings of stone, but I think we already have access to most of what we see in game, with the exception of the door with the glowing engraved tree. Elegant metal furnishings (not more utilitarian blockish style) would compliment existing furnishings nicely in my opinion and be something I would love to decorate with! I was hoping vampiric furnishings might be designed this way but instead we mostly got wooden spikes of all things!

Sure, metal would be nice, but Ayleid is white stone. We already have Ayleid furniture and they are white stone. All Ayleid ruins and other bits of ayleid architecture (pillars, arches, luxury furniture items) also include white stone.

Dwemer wasn't a white stone style, and yet they made all 3 player houses white stone, and added the new white stone Dwemer assets as furniture. Will they never add an Ayleid house? If they do, surely it will be white stone (unless they reskin Ayleid into dark stone by whatever reverse logic), and we'll have Alinor, Aldmer, Nibenese, new Dwemer and Ayleid which are white stone structures. Or, now Ayleid can't be white stone, because they already made Dwemer that and Ayleid will need to metal instead (which is doubly hilarious since most old Dwemer furniture are pure metal so if you want metal furniture, old Dwemer is your friend).

I think it would be better if styles would double down on their uniqueness (e.g. dark stone, geometry, and worn metal for Dwemer; vine motifs, white stone and gems for Ayleid), rather than making incursions into other styles' aesthetics, as this brand-new shiny luxurious Dwemer gold-and-white did.

I’m not arguing how Dwemer furnishings should have been and you’re right of course that many Ayleid furnishings are of white stone. But there are also walls, archways, doors and sconces of some dark metal in lovely vine-like pattern that I would LOVE to have. Also, such metal furnishings would be quite different from everything that we already have available, not an incursion into any other style. Old Dwemer style looks steampunk to me, which is unique and cool but not what I’m looking for. I love the elements of organic metalwork in Ayleid ruins — and with the glowing crystals it does create a cold austere beauty against the white stone.

bluebird

Araneae6537 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

Sure, there's the whole argument about the new gold colors vs the old bronze colors, but that doesn't bother me at all. If you incorporate equal amounts of both colors, and even throw in other metallic colored objects, it looks just fine! I'm just happy to have gotten so much content!

As a Dwemer fan, ESO in 2020 was a terrible year for me.
As a luxe Art Deco fan, the fancy gold and white geometric mansion is nice. But not as a Dwemer fan.

It's nice if people - like yourself - aren't bothered by it, but let's be real, literally nobody was asking for a white and gold Dwemer recolor style, so you would have been fine if they added proper Dwemer furniture and a proper Dwemer mansion instead (which people have been asking for, for years).



Mixing proper Dwemer and white-and-gold Dwemer doesn't really look okay. Sure you can technically do it, but you can also mix new Dwemer with Alinor or Clockwork, and it looks much more fitting to different styles. So there is less similarity between the two Dwemer styles, and more similarity between Dwemer and completely different styles, so it's a pretty divided style now.

And since you mentioned Ayleid for next year, what's that going to be? Another white stone style? After the new white stone Dwemer style, and after the Alinor style? It will be incredibly boring. They should have left Dwemer dark stone and bronze, and kept white stone for Ayleid. Guess they can recolor Ayleid into dark stone and make that a totally different new style next year, just as they did with Dwemer, and I'm sure they will be people who won't mind that either. Still, 3 'Dwemer' homes all of which are an icy/white version, and don't match the 96 old Dwemer dark-and-bronze items we've had for years is hardly a good thing for housing or for Dwemer fans. Before Markarth I was still hopeful that we would one day get a proper Dwemer house. Now, that dream is crushed.

Don't want to hijack the thread, and I did like the luxurious gold and white mansion in itself; I just don't think the division of the Dwemer style with white-and-gold recolors and 3 non-matching white Dwemer houses can be considered a good thing for Dwemer housing fans, and as a result, I have very little hope for Ayleid next year either. But, I hope I'll be wrong! Fingers crossed for 2021.

I would rather an Ayleid style focus on wrought iron type of furnishings — like the grates available from the Crown store and the beautiful arches seen at every Ayleid ruin.

Of course we also see Ayleid furnishings of stone, but I think we already have access to most of what we see in game, with the exception of the door with the glowing engraved tree. Elegant metal furnishings (not more utilitarian blockish style) would compliment existing furnishings nicely in my opinion and be something I would love to decorate with! I was hoping vampiric furnishings might be designed this way but instead we mostly got wooden spikes of all things!

Sure, metal would be nice, but Ayleid is white stone. We already have Ayleid furniture and they are white stone. All Ayleid ruins and other bits of ayleid architecture (pillars, arches, luxury furniture items) also include white stone.

Dwemer wasn't a white stone style, and yet they made all 3 player houses white stone, and added the new white stone Dwemer assets as furniture. Will they never add an Ayleid house? If they do, surely it will be white stone (unless they reskin Ayleid into dark stone by whatever reverse logic), and we'll have Alinor, Aldmer, Nibenese, new Dwemer and Ayleid which are white stone structures. Or, now Ayleid can't be white stone, because they already made Dwemer that and Ayleid will need to metal instead (which is doubly hilarious since most old Dwemer furniture are pure metal so if you want metal furniture, old Dwemer is your friend).

I think it would be better if styles would double down on their uniqueness (e.g. dark stone, geometry, and worn metal for Dwemer; vine motifs, white stone and gems for Ayleid), rather than making incursions into other styles' aesthetics, as this brand-new shiny luxurious Dwemer gold-and-white did.

I’m not arguing how Dwemer furnishings should have been and you’re right of course that many Ayleid furnishings are of white stone. But there are also walls, archways, doors and sconces of some dark metal in lovely vine-like pattern that I would LOVE to have. Also, such metal furnishings would be quite different from everything that we already have available, not an incursion into any other style. Old Dwemer style looks steampunk to me, which is unique and cool but not what I’m looking for. I love the elements of organic metalwork in Ayleid ruins — and with the glowing crystals it does create a cold austere beauty against the white stone.

That would be new, yeah. I just don't have much faith in them doing something nice with Ayleid, after the whole 'Dwemer means ice or whiteness' pattern Rather than expanding on the already existing Ayleid furniture (like the dark metal grates you mention) they might make a new Ayleid style that is pale silver and dark stone for example (rather than white stone with dark metalwork which we know and love), just as they released 3 Dwemer houses which were all white.

I don't want to sound like I'm shooting ideas down, I just don't know how hopeful we should be - I think I've been disappointed lately so I'm keeping my expectations low. I don't think the design direction was particularly exciting this year, with very weird ideas. Like making Dwemer freshly polished gold, and making Vampire furniture archy gothic spiky wood just like many Alinor furniture were archy gothic spiky wood (rather than coming up with something unique, like dark metal or black wood, or dark upholstery).

On the note of what I'd like to see, I do love Art Nouveau, and the vines and natural patterns that it has, but then again I wouldn't want them to make Ayleid that, when Ayleid is quite blocky rather than delicate (the juxtaposition of the spiky lamps and crystal holders, the austere halls, and the blocky stone furniture with the enchanted gems and natural vine patterns is one of the most interesting things about the style imo). They tried their hands at some more organic-looking furniture with Psijic I think, but there's barely a dozen of that style so who knows if they will even add anything Ayleid. They might simply go for a Colovian Imperial style, and an Akaviri-inspired Imperial style, if the Crown Store mounts are any indication about the culture-fusion they might do.

B0SSzombie

The confirmation of a (Seemingly) Manor Sized Ayleid Home for the Q1 content makes me happy I put this energy out into the world.