BSW, Mother's sorrow and other sets.

Larcomar

So, I finally got a BSW inferno staff. Dropped in an RND I was running for tickets. I thought they were a myth. Or a meme. I was thinking maybe it was about time I redid my mag DK. Haven't touched his pve gear in ages. Some questions -

- How good is BSW nowadays? I know it was once BIS, but that was a long time ago. Obviously trial sets would surpass it today but I never really got into that side of the game. Compared to crafted sets like julianos, overland sets like errm silks or other dungeons sets, is it still worth it on a mag DK? I see alcast's pre trial dk set up is julianos - MS.

- What's a good set to pair it with? I'm sort of assuming the logical thing would be to FB BSW, put a maelstrom inferno on the BB, and put mother's sorrow on the body. I wear it on tons of toons and it seems pretty good but I always have a slight doubt in the back of my mind with it. I know alcast etc recommend it - but alcast and co assume perfect groups where you've got people running alkosh etc and high major force uptime. Most groups I see bear little resemblance to that so I'm generally running lover for the extra pen to get near the cap and may or may not see many warhorns. In a world like that, is MS still BIS below trial gear?

- Traits - assuming I did go for that set up, what's the best trait for a FB staff for a mag dk? I usually run precise for pve and sharpened for pvp - but I've read a few comments about running charged on magDK's to trigger the combustion passive. How's that working out for people? Of all my toons, I find the magdk struggles the most with sustain, to the point that, at least for tooling around, I run atronach quite often.

cheers L

Hotdog_23

Run it on my MagDK despite it not being BIS. Keep it just because it was so hard to get and still does good damage. Run it will False Gods.

Be safe and have fun

UntilValhalla13

Bsw and mother's sorrow are still fine, if you're not doing anything super serious. Most mag classes, aside from necro maybe, usually will run precise front bar.

With that being said, I haven't played mag dk since the perfect inferno meta, so I'm unsure specifically what all changed with them in terms of current setups. I would say try precise, and if your spell crit is over like 55%, try the Shadow stone. See if you can sustain it.

Crit damage is still pretty nice, even if you're just running solo. If you need extra penetration, you can always tweak your cp.

Waffennacht

IMO its one of the best non trial sets. It may be bis when comparing what you have access to

thadjarvis

MS, BSW front, MA back is a jack of all trades that is really strong in any situation on any class.

With BSW+MS you really want Shadow mundus. Consider other methods of sustain before mundus: witchmother/clockwork food, absorb mag glyph, charged, HA, symmetry, ele drain when solo etc. You have to feel that out as your sustain will vary wildly based on the conditions: solo, casual group, and optimized group. You can narrow it down on dummies as your race and rotation speed will effect it too.

ecru

bsw is still basically bis if you have to move around. i main magcro and there is no noticeable difference between bsw + perfected false god and mother's sorrow + perfected false god. i would pair bsw with false god (precise front bar), especialy as magdk due to sustain issues, and not worry much about gear beyond that. you will probably run into issues with sustain if you are going to run bsw + ms and aren't at least breton.

Vevvev

I use Burning Spellweave on my magDK since it buffs healing as well as damage, and the flame status effect proc helps sustain. It isn't the best but that doesn't stop me from having a use for it!

I am however wanting your luck.... I still need a BSW inferno staff. I have every kind of staff for it but inferno -_-

Sergykid

bsw over a long fight is just a back-barrable julianos
however it has some small extra advantages that make it good

small extra spd. 490*8=3920, 3920/12=326, while julianos has 300
back-barrable, so u can wear a constant full body set like pfg or ms
guaranteed burning proc, small extra ele wall damage and burning damage
on a DK, it also procs the passive giving you 500 mag, hence the best on a dk

ccfeeling

BSW is no longer the bis for MDK nowday, but I still want the fire staff b4 i quit this game.

Farm it 5 years casually, nada.

I wont trust the drop table is fair, dev, prove me wrong with big data, thank you.

oscarovegren

BSW is a great frontbar set for magDK for ANY content in the game.

In static fights where you dont move around a lot mother sorrow + perfected mantle of siroria will perform slightly better.

I would pair BSW with one of the following:
1. Elf bane and grothdarr/Ilambris
2. Medusa (if you need barspace instead of minor force skill)
3. Mother sorrow
4. Perfected mantle of siroria
5. Perfected false god devotion
6. Zens redress

Kaartinen

I run BSW & MS with a MA backbar staff. I have no complaints.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Wear it if you got it. You pretty much said it all. Meta DPS is to pair a spell damage stacking trial set for minor slayer (siroria) and a crit stacking set (MS/Medusa).

If you dont have Siroria or False good, BSW is probably as good as anything to pair with MS/Medusa. Only other consideration since we are talking DK would be to consider Elf Bane. The Elf Bane DK meta is about a year old at this point, but I believe it is still relatively competitive. It is great for simplifying your rotation, that is for sure. Whether BSW/Elfbane, BSW/MS or Elfbane/MS is better, I honestly dont know. You cant do Elfbane/Medusa as both are heavy. The medusa vs MS debate is more about utility. MS is slighty better damage, but medusa gives you a skill slot and simplifies the rotation a bit.

Vildebill

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Wear it if you got it. You pretty much said it all. Meta DPS is to pair a spell damage stacking trial set for minor slayer (siroria) and a crit stacking set (MS/Medusa).

If you dont have Siroria or False good, BSW is probably as good as anything to pair with MS/Medusa. Only other consideration since we are talking DK would be to consider Elf Bane. The Elf Bane DK meta is about a year old at this point, but I believe it is still relatively competitive. It is great for simplifying your rotation, that is for sure. Whether BSW/Elfbane, BSW/MS or Elfbane/MS is better, I honestly dont know. You cant do Elfbane/Medusa as both are heavy. The medusa vs MS debate is more about utility. MS is slighty better damage, but medusa gives you a skill slot and simplifies the rotation a bit.

And since we're started talking DK, there's a set many people seem to overlook, elemental succession. It can be front barred since it's a proc if you want 100% uptime on sorrow or Medusa, and if you use it on the body you'll have almost 100% uptime of 492 spell damage, which is close to siroria with no extra work at all.

Overlooking the sustain part, succession should beat spellweave damage wise.

WrathOfInnos

I’ve been using BSW a lot recently. The removal of the proc chance made it much more versatile, since even a single tick of fire damage will proc it. Excellent set for burst, 490 Spell Damage for 8s, and a lot of enemies are dead before you ever see the 4s downtime. Like a Siroria that’s front-loaded (obviously won’t compete with Siroria for long fights), an Elemental Succession that affects all damage types (including Shock and Magic), or a Scathing Mage without the RNG and skill limitations. I will add that it’s mostly a burst AoE set, since single target sustained damage is better with Spell Strategist.