Stop encouraging EZmode pls.

erio

Why would I want to actually try to play well when I can just be a stamden with crimson and unfathomable

nckg84

Because then you can run around feeling elite and good and in turn composate for some real life flaw you might have?

The carry meta is here to stay. It will be more profitable for ZOS.

erio

nckg84 wrote: »

Because then you can run around feeling elite and good and in turn composate for some real life flaw you might have?

The carry meta is here to stay. It will be more profitable for ZOS.

Wouldnt it be more profitable to have your game be known for good balance? That way people dont quit when they realize they gotta zero to hero all over again cause they either picked the wrong race or class?

Waffennacht

In this particular case Id recommend range or using something similar.

erio

Waffennacht wrote: »

In this particular case Id recommend range or using something similar.

What?

Waffennacht

erio wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

In this particular case Id recommend range or using something similar.

What?

I suppose I was trying to point out how the sets you mentioned are melee and will have little or no effect against a ranged build.

I suppose I figured you were in a round about way were saying those sets are OP and i figured only a person playing a melee build would say that

Maybe I was wrong though

wheem_ESO

Waffennacht wrote: »

erio wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

In this particular case Id recommend range or using something similar.

What?

I suppose I was trying to point out how the sets you mentioned are melee and will have little or no effect against a ranged build.

I suppose I figured you were in a round about way were saying those sets are OP and i figured only a person playing a melee build would say that

Maybe I was wrong though

Generally speaking, a Stamina Warden isn't going to have much trouble getting into + staying in melee range. Given the completely ridiculous level of survivability available to them, they've got an easier time of it than pretty much anyone other than a Werewolf. And if they're with a group that has a lot of root/snare/CC spam, it's trivial to stay on top of almost anyone.

'Course, as I've said in other threads, I don't think Crimson itself is the most egregious proc set out there. The bigger issue in this particular example is how Stamina Warden can get such an absurd amount of self healing with a huge HP buffer while still having top notch damage.

nckg84

erio wrote: »

nckg84 wrote: »

Because then you can run around feeling elite and good and in turn composate for some real life flaw you might have?

The carry meta is here to stay. It will be more profitable for ZOS.

Wouldnt it be more profitable to have your game be known for good balance? That way people dont quit when they realize they gotta zero to hero all over again cause they either picked the wrong race or class?

That's what we the customers always think. Marketing and general business practice shows otherwise over the years. I hate this meta but i can understand that average joe enjoys PvP the way it is now.

erio

Waffennacht wrote: »

erio wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

In this particular case Id recommend range or using something similar.

What?

I suppose I was trying to point out how the sets you mentioned are melee and will have little or no effect against a ranged build.

I suppose I figured you were in a round about way were saying those sets are OP and i figured only a person playing a melee build would say that

Maybe I was wrong though

No. I have no trouble killing a stamden with crimson and unfathomable. Im saying that the effort I have to put into kill them vs the effort they have to put in to fight me isnt comparable. Sorry that you didnt understand what i meant.

Also if I was on a ranged build, the person using them is melee, so id be in their procs anyway lol?

erio

nckg84 wrote: »

erio wrote: »

nckg84 wrote: »

Because then you can run around feeling elite and good and in turn composate for some real life flaw you might have?

The carry meta is here to stay. It will be more profitable for ZOS.

Wouldnt it be more profitable to have your game be known for good balance? That way people dont quit when they realize they gotta zero to hero all over again cause they either picked the wrong race or class?

That's what we the customers always think. Marketing and general business practice shows otherwise over the years. I hate this meta but i can understand that average joe enjoys PvP the way it is now.

Only time will tell I guess

erio

Also @zos you know you have a balance problem when the majority of the pvp playebase is going to be using one of these 2 sets.

Waffennacht

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

erio wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

In this particular case Id recommend range or using something similar.

What?

I suppose I was trying to point out how the sets you mentioned are melee and will have little or no effect against a ranged build.

I suppose I figured you were in a round about way were saying those sets are OP and i figured only a person playing a melee build would say that

Maybe I was wrong though

Generally speaking, a Stamina Warden isn't going to have much trouble getting into + staying in melee range. Given the completely ridiculous level of survivability available to them, they've got an easier time of it than pretty much anyone other than a Werewolf. And if they're with a group that has a lot of root/snare/CC spam, it's trivial to stay on top of almost anyone.

'Course, as I've said in other threads, I don't think Crimson itself is the most egregious proc set out there. The bigger issue in this particular example is how Stamina Warden can get such an absurd amount of self healing with a huge HP buffer while still having top notch damage.

erio wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

erio wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

In this particular case Id recommend range or using something similar.

What?

I suppose I was trying to point out how the sets you mentioned are melee and will have little or no effect against a ranged build.

I suppose I figured you were in a round about way were saying those sets are OP and i figured only a person playing a melee build would say that

Maybe I was wrong though

No. I have no trouble killing a stamden with crimson and unfathomable. Im saying that the effort I have to put into kill them vs the effort they have to put in to fight me isnt comparable. Sorry that you didnt understand what i meant.

Also if I was on a ranged build, the person using them is melee, so id be in their procs anyway lol?

Well that does make sense

Joy_Division

What could have possibly gone wrong giving what has been a top tier PvP spec since its inception (Stam Warden) a health based heal that totally blows away Breath of Life and proc sets that do a ton of damage even in the player invests nothing into damage stats.

Theignson

In PvP you get to know other players and know which ones are good (they slaughter you or they are unkillable, they can run around a tower with 5 people chasing them indefinitely etc). I noticed a good DK a couple months ago was 1vXing like mad, then noticed this "crimson twilight" proc. Then I noticed other good players proccing unfathomable darkness and unleashed terror.

One thing about a lot of good players is they will update their builds to get any advantage. If ZOS puts it in the game it is fair play to use it.

Proc builds are pressure like the old style DK. You can still kill them with burst and a lot of other good players are still playing weapon damage/stat based burst builds and doing fine.

But if you take an already good player and give them new sets with an advantage they will still dominate potatoes

Fawn4287

The devs realised if they make every competent player borderline unkillable in a 1v1 scenario everyone will shut up and stop calling for nerfs and buffs and to be fair the game has become exponentially more thumbless and easier to survive once everyone started running eternal vigor with bewitched sugar skulls, the average health of competent players is like 30-34k (much more on wardens and werewolves) with huge health recovery. Coupled with the healing and regen buffs, the game is now in the most boring state its ever been in with essentially no one being burst down on their back bar s+b with 5 piece sturdy. The game is beyond saving at this point and unless you ball group CP PvP is pretty much pointless.