Vampire/Werewolf hybrids exist?

Ryuvain

Now that I think about it, hybrids already exist don't they? If not exist then easily achievable with the right means.

Vampirism has already been shown to be reproducible with multiple experiments including the vampiric flowers. And with Stone Garden it shows that not only lycanthropy can be reproduced the same way, but that it can be combined with vampires via a potion.

Making a permanent hybrid is entirely possible afaik. Seeing a werewolf behemoth bloodknight would be absolutely terrifying but also amazing. Or to go even further a vampire lord with pure enough blood or reproduction.

Now I sound like that Arkasis guy.

Thevampirenight

Well there is magical ways you can be a vampire but then be able transform into the form of a werewolf. The Ring of Hircine is one of them depending on how Hircine blesses it that allowed for it in Tes 3 Morrowind from what I read. Lorewise and the devs stated this for the new dungeon mechanics in stone garden. The alchemical reaction is what allows a vampires to use the alchemical werewolf behemoth transformation. It isn't actual lycanthropy its just a alchemical reaction that gives that form.

An alchemist like Arkasis could potentially recreate the curse of lycanthropy along with the transformation. Since its fully possibly to recreate the curse of vampirism using alchemy and that is canon introduced with Summerset alchemy would likely be able to create the actual curse of lycanthropy in a similar manner.As for a full on hybrid like Underworld. That I don't know on, Its likely a hybrid would look like a normal werewolf in that form maybe some vampiric characteristics or paleness or even vampire eyes in the werewolf form.

I doubt it would work like Underworld. That is only if the conditions could be merged in such a way without them counteracting the other, this could maybe be done alchemically. One idea if Bethesda ever went with the idea of a hybrid is using this. A descendent of a lycanthrope became a vampire and the lycanthropy suddenly got activated. Either the vampriism gets cured or by some luck they are both and the conditions don't counter each other like it typically would. But they would have to make it for it to happen.

Currently it may seem impossible for a true hybrid given both diseases like give immunity or even cure the other and that seems to be the case and how it works. But this is Tes, and magic can do many things. So many one day we might see a way a true hybrid can come about. We will have to wait and see if they ever do something with it but its also possible they might not.

Ryuvain

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well there is magical ways you can be a vampire but then be able transform into the form of a werewolf. The Ring of Hircine is one of them depending on how Hircine blesses it that allowed for it in Tes 3 Morrowind from what I read. Lorewise and the devs stated this for the new dungeon mechanics in stone garden. The alchemical reaction is what allows a vampires to use the alchemical werewolf behemoth transformation. It isn't actual lycanthropy its just a alchemical reaction that gives that form.

An alchemist like Arkasis could potentially recreate the curse of lycanthropy along with the transformation. Since its fully possibly to recreate the curse of vampirism using alchemy and that is canon introduced with Summerset alchemy would likely be able to create the actual curse of lycanthropy in a similar manner.As for a full on hybrid like Underworld. That I don't know on, Its likely a hybrid would look like a normal werewolf in that form maybe some vampiric characteristics or paleness or even vampire eyes in the werewolf form.

I doubt it would work like Underworld. That is only if the conditions could be merged in such a way without them counteracting the other, this could maybe be done alchemically. One idea if Bethesda ever went with the idea of a hybrid is using this. A descendent of a lycanthrope became a vampire and the lycanthropy suddenly got activated. Either the vampriism gets cured or by some luck they are both and the conditions don't counter each other like it typically would. But they would have to make it for it to happen.

Currently it may seem impossible for a true hybrid given both diseases like give immunity or even cure the other and that seems to be the case and how it works. But this is Tes, and magic can do many things. So many one day we might see a way a true hybrid can come about. We will have to wait and see if they ever do something with it but its also possible they might not.

Definitely talking about alchemical. If Arkasis had werewolf down so well that there were no side effects at all along with gaining EVERY ADVANTAGE AND INSTINCT than combining would be easy.

Ryuvain

I just realized that we already made hybrids in a way. Those potions we use to empower ourselves and the behemoth form use bloodknight parts.

And the rabbit hole goes deeper.

Thevampirenight

Ryuvain wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well there is magical ways you can be a vampire but then be able transform into the form of a werewolf. The Ring of Hircine is one of them depending on how Hircine blesses it that allowed for it in Tes 3 Morrowind from what I read. Lorewise and the devs stated this for the new dungeon mechanics in stone garden. The alchemical reaction is what allows a vampires to use the alchemical werewolf behemoth transformation. It isn't actual lycanthropy its just a alchemical reaction that gives that form.

An alchemist like Arkasis could potentially recreate the curse of lycanthropy along with the transformation. Since its fully possibly to recreate the curse of vampirism using alchemy and that is canon introduced with Summerset alchemy would likely be able to create the actual curse of lycanthropy in a similar manner.As for a full on hybrid like Underworld. That I don't know on, Its likely a hybrid would look like a normal werewolf in that form maybe some vampiric characteristics or paleness or even vampire eyes in the werewolf form.

I doubt it would work like Underworld. That is only if the conditions could be merged in such a way without them counteracting the other, this could maybe be done alchemically. One idea if Bethesda ever went with the idea of a hybrid is using this. A descendent of a lycanthrope became a vampire and the lycanthropy suddenly got activated. Either the vampriism gets cured or by some luck they are both and the conditions don't counter each other like it typically would. But they would have to make it for it to happen.

Currently it may seem impossible for a true hybrid given both diseases like give immunity or even cure the other and that seems to be the case and how it works. But this is Tes, and magic can do many things. So many one day we might see a way a true hybrid can come about. We will have to wait and see if they ever do something with it but its also possible they might not.

Definitely talking about alchemical. If Arkasis had werewolf down so well that there were no side effects at all along with gaining EVERY ADVANTAGE AND INSTINCT than combining would be easy.

Well just because it may seem easy does not mean it is easy. It would likely take lots of research and experimentation for it to succeed .

Valor

*sad sniff* you USED to be able to be a vampire/werewolf hybrid in game...

Ryuvain

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well there is magical ways you can be a vampire but then be able transform into the form of a werewolf. The Ring of Hircine is one of them depending on how Hircine blesses it that allowed for it in Tes 3 Morrowind from what I read. Lorewise and the devs stated this for the new dungeon mechanics in stone garden. The alchemical reaction is what allows a vampires to use the alchemical werewolf behemoth transformation. It isn't actual lycanthropy its just a alchemical reaction that gives that form.

An alchemist like Arkasis could potentially recreate the curse of lycanthropy along with the transformation. Since its fully possibly to recreate the curse of vampirism using alchemy and that is canon introduced with Summerset alchemy would likely be able to create the actual curse of lycanthropy in a similar manner.As for a full on hybrid like Underworld. That I don't know on, Its likely a hybrid would look like a normal werewolf in that form maybe some vampiric characteristics or paleness or even vampire eyes in the werewolf form.

I doubt it would work like Underworld. That is only if the conditions could be merged in such a way without them counteracting the other, this could maybe be done alchemically. One idea if Bethesda ever went with the idea of a hybrid is using this. A descendent of a lycanthrope became a vampire and the lycanthropy suddenly got activated. Either the vampriism gets cured or by some luck they are both and the conditions don't counter each other like it typically would. But they would have to make it for it to happen.

Currently it may seem impossible for a true hybrid given both diseases like give immunity or even cure the other and that seems to be the case and how it works. But this is Tes, and magic can do many things. So many one day we might see a way a true hybrid can come about. We will have to wait and see if they ever do something with it but its also possible they might not.

Definitely talking about alchemical. If Arkasis had werewolf down so well that there were no side effects at all along with gaining EVERY ADVANTAGE AND INSTINCT than combining would be easy.

Well just because it may seem easy does not mean it is easy. It would likely take lots of research and experimentation for it to succeed .

It would be easy for Arkasis or anyone knowledgeable enough. Overall difficulty is irrelevant. We already started with potions and increased the strength of them.

Vevvev

I'm under the belief it's a hard no, but after having played a werewolf behemoth that could turn invisible thanks to Vampire's stage 4 passive... IDK.

Ryuvain

Vevvev wrote: »

I'm under the belief it's a hard no, but after having played a werewolf behemoth that could turn invisible thanks to Vampire's stage 4 passive... IDK.

Exactly what I did. Then I remembered that we added bloodknight parts to the potion to upgrade it.

Vevvev

Ryuvain wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

I'm under the belief it's a hard no, but after having played a werewolf behemoth that could turn invisible thanks to Vampire's stage 4 passive... IDK.

Exactly what I did. Then I remembered that we added bloodknight parts to the potion to upgrade it.

That we did... And the evil alchemist even points that out in the boss fight. Whatever is used to make blood knights also make behemoths stronger. Some weird alchemical [snip]ery going on with that place...