MagDK: Vampire?

duncanahel

Hi All,

Im kinda n00b to this buuild, im following mostly this guide:

https://arzyelbuilds.com/magicka-dragonknight-vampire-pve-build-bloodfire/

Dont know if it is my lack of experience with Vampires, but i find the mechanic a bit boring, i mean i use mostly y Arteial Burst and Stage 1 as the following stages are very demanding regarding health and magicka consumption.
Being Vampire for RP purposes seems to be good.

Am i missing something here?

robpr

Using Sated Fury even with Ring of Pale Order is quite dangerous, but Arterial Burst is a potent alternative to Whip. Does slightly more damage at the same or less magicka cost. I dont like the sound of the skill though.

duncanahel

Im not using Sated Fury even with the Ring of Pale Order as i go down on health pretty fast (granted i use the ring only for World bosses only or MAesltorm or other Arenas)

My concern between Arterial burst and the Whip:

Overall Damage and sustain isnt almost the same?

1)Vampire-Arterial Burst- -Cost for Vampire abilities +cost for Magickal abilities.
2)Non Vampire-Whip.

And being non vampire your health recovery isnt gimped.

Vevvev

Sated Fury becomes a free burst heal when using the Ring of the Pale Order but only when you can dish out 40k+ DPS which a fully golded out magDK vampire build can easily pull off with a couple of DoTs and a spammable.

Also what really makes a magDK vampire work is Burning Embers even without the Ring since it's like a superior version to Vampiric Drain. With it you'll be able to keep Sated Fury up for longer, but the magic of Sated Fury is you can immediately turn it on and off without a cool down. It's very easy to reset the health cost increase and keep doing whatever it is you're doing. It's not an ability to turn on and forget about which means it's best placed on your primary DPS bar.

Also Blood for Blood beats Arterial Burst in terms of damage output after around the 90% hp mark so if you're going for max damage I'd recommend it if you're using the Ring of the Pale Order. If you are not using the Ring I would recommend sticking with Arterial Burst since without the Ring it's freaking difficult to sustain Blood Frenzy and Blood for Blood at the same time.

Edit: Also that guide is optimized for stage 3 and I actually agree with it. Arterial Burst is your primary spammable and it'll be cheaper at that stage with your combustion and battle roar passives supplying the magicka for your non-vampire abilities. Stage 3 also comes with the DPS boost when coming out of mistform or starting a fight by ambushing someone from stealth thanks to the stage 2 passive, and of course the stage 3 passive that gives you damage resistance so its not as lethal to have some health missing. Like for example Major Resolve granted from Spiked armor is a 6% damage reduction buff, but stage 3 gives you 30% damage reduction based on missing health. Means at 50% health you have 15% damage reduction, and at 80% health you have the equivalent of a Major Resolve buff on you with 6% damage reduction.

duncanahel

Vevvev wrote: »

Sated Fury becomes a free burst heal when using the Ring of the Pale Order but only when you can dish out 40k+ DPS which a fully golded out magDK vampire build can easily pull off with a couple of DoTs and a spammable.

Gotcha, this could be the issue. I have just started this chara a week ago (converted my StamDK to a Vampire MagDK).
Equipment is violet and not BIS (Gronthdarrx2 + Mother Sorrow x5 armor + Seducer changing to Elf bane for Weapon and jewelry)

Vevvev wrote: »

Also what really makes a magDK vampire work is Burning Embers even without the Ring since it's like a superior version to Vampiric Drain. With it you'll be able to keep Sated Fury up for longer, but the magic of Sated Fury is you can immediately turn it on and off without a cool down. It's very easy to reset the health cost increase and keep doing whatever it is you're doing. It's not an ability to turn on and forget about which means it's best placed on your primary DPS bar.

The builds i've checked have it on the 2nd bar, i need to work on my bar swapping

Vevvev wrote: »

Also Blood for Blood beats Arterial Burst in terms of damage output after around the 90% hp mark so if you're going for max damage I'd recommend it if you're using the Ring of the Pale Order. If you are not using the Ring I would recommend sticking with Arterial Burst since without the Ring it's freaking difficult to sustain Blood Frenzy and Blood for Blood at the same time.

Ok, thanks! As i understandf you use Ring of the Pale Order only for Solo content (or nDungeones).
vDungeons and Trials are not advised.

Also i've checked this forum and it seems that blood for Blood was severely nerfed and almost no one uses it.

Vevvev

duncanahel wrote: »

Ok, thanks! As i understandf you use Ring of the Pale Order only for Solo content (or nDungeones).
vDungeons and Trials are not advised.

Also i've checked this forum and it seems that blood for Blood was severely nerfed and almost no one uses it.

Because it removes the healing granted by others but me and a couple of healers learned how to get around that issue. So with the Olorime set you can still give a vampire the Major Courage buff and with abilities like Energy Orb you can have the vampire activate the synergy and get healed by it. Some have speculated Minor Lifesteal works as well but I have yet to have someone use it with me to test it.

Basically the Ring of the Pale Order is the only thing bringing Blood for Blood back from the grave. Without the ring the ability is as worthless as everyone makes it out to be. Why I recommend using Arterial Burst if you don't have it, but if you do congrats.... you now have infinite sustain for as long as you don't attack something protected by a damage shield! For some odd reason damage shields negate the healing from that Ring.

edit: Also a little neat fact is the Ring of the Pale Order procs the Spell Power Cure set. Makes healing as a vampire interesting to say the least! However I still prefer having 2 full sets and a monster set as a healer, but it is an option