Leveling a Werewolf Stamsorc

Tigerboy78

My main question is what abilities should I be using at 50? From what I understand it's mostly only passives that transfer to the werewolf form.

Also I am mainly going to pvp with him. What is a good hear setup at 50 as well?

Taleof2Cities

@Alcast has a pretty decent "clean" werewolf PvP build that doesn't use damage proc sets, @Tigerboy78. The link is on a Stam Sorc ... but you could make it work on other classes:

https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-werewolf-build-pvp/#content4

If you want to be a "dirty" werewolf and use damage proc sets as an enabler, the Crimson Twilight heavy armor set is go-to right now.

Obviously, getting your ultimate morphed is the main goal.

Tigerboy78

I did read the Alcast guide. I just wanted to see if there was a different/better build out there. I don't plan on getting any Mythic items on him. This is more of a pet project.

I do want to get him a good build though.

Dracane

Another Werewolf? It's not like we already have hundrets of those running around everywhere.

Rarely have I seen such a blatant and obvious meta. Like never actually. Time to do something about it.

Tigerboy78

That's cool. I'm just playing the game. If you don't have anything constructive to say then feel free to not post on this thread.

Dracane

Tigerboy78 wrote: »

That's cool. I'm just playing the game. If you don't have anything constructive to say then feel free to not post on this thread.

I will feel free to tell you, there is little more constructive to say about it. Werewolf requires not a single braincell or a lot of planning.

Ryuvain

Play what you like. I'm ironically playing stamsorc werewolf on my main. People don't understand that armor sets are what break those werewolves on pvp. Otherwise they would be called trash like they have been for the longest.

Xiomaro

Ryuvain wrote: »

Play what you like. I'm ironically playing stamsorc werewolf on my main. People don't understand that armor sets are what break those werewolves on pvp. Otherwise they would be called trash like they have been for the longest.

People shouldn't worry what others think of the way they play. The sort of players who complain about the way someone else plays aren't happy unless you just stand there and die.

Dracane

Xiomaro wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Play what you like. I'm ironically playing stamsorc werewolf on my main. People don't understand that armor sets are what break those werewolves on pvp. Otherwise they would be called trash like they have been for the longest.

People shouldn't worry what others think of the way they play. The sort of players who complain about the way someone else plays aren't happy unless you just stand there and die.

While it may seem like a contradiction; I agree with this to the fullest. If you have the audacity to try and survive, they complain.

Grianasteri

@Tigerboy78 Welcome to the pack!

Id suggest looking up a WW guide online, there are quite a few decent ones out there.

My stamsorc dedicated WW runs with a pretty standard duel wield set up on the WW ulti bar, making sure to have valuable skills/passive buffs present (such as increased crit damage and x2 fighters guild skills to increase weapon damage, etc), so that these carry over into WW form. As for sets, personally I run Molag Kena, Blood Moon, and Relequen. This is my pve set up, in pvp I swap Relequen out for New Moon Acolyte, for the raw damage (and cos Rele stacks are problematic to maintain) or, I use a more defensive/utility set depending on how things are going - more health/stam/resistances are always welcome

Dracane wrote: »

Another Werewolf? It's not like we already have hundrets of those running around everywhere.

Rarely have I seen such a blatant and obvious meta. Like never actually. Time to do something about it.

I think you are plain wrong. Sure, there are a noticeable number of WW, you do see them, however not on any noteworthy scale that I have noticed, in pve, bg or cyro. I can spend a whole evening in Cyro and only see a couple. And in pve theyre even rarerer in my experience.

Is a good WW difficult to deal with? Yes. Can they be dealt with? Yes. Are your complaints accurate or warranted? No.

To make an effective WW requires an appropriate build, for pve or pvp, you cant just chuck WW on the bar and off you go destroying all comers, the build needs to be set up right (sets and skills) for maximum effect and to do what those challenging WW you encounter are doing.

Ryuvain

Grianasteri wrote: »

@Tigerboy78 Welcome to the pack!

Id suggest looking up a WW guide online, there are quite a few decent ones out there.

My stamsorc dedicated WW runs with a pretty standard duel wield set up on the WW ulti bar, making sure to have valuable skills/passive buffs present (such as increased crit damage and x2 fighters guild skills to increase weapon damage, etc), so that these carry over into WW form. As for sets, personally I run Molag Kena, Blood Moon, and Relequen. This is my pve set up, in pvp I swap Relequen out for New Moon Acolyte, for the raw damage (and cos Rele stacks are problematic to maintain) or, I use a more defensive/utility set depending on how things are going - more health/stam/resistances are always welcome

Dracane wrote: »

Another Werewolf? It's not like we already have hundrets of those running around everywhere.

Rarely have I seen such a blatant and obvious meta. Like never actually. Time to do something about it.

I think you are plain wrong. Sure, there are a noticeable number of WW, you do see them, however not on any noteworthy scale that I have noticed, in pve, bg or cyro. I can spend a whole evening in Cyro and only see a couple. And in pve theyre even rarerer in my experience.

Is a good WW difficult to deal with? Yes. Can they be dealt with? Yes. Are your complaints accurate or warranted? No.

To make an effective WW requires an appropriate build, for pve or pvp, you cant just chuck WW on the bar and off you go destroying all comers, the build needs to be set up right (sets and skills) for maximum effect and to do what those challenging WW you encounter are doing.

It's funny. Been playing cyro all week and see WAY more vampires than anything using mist form and vamp ult. Saw maybe 2 wolves?

Jager_The_Werewolf

Don't listen to the people giving you a hard time about playing WW. You can play whatever you want bro. Thats what i love about this game.

Few people mentioned above guides, there are a few. You can check some out on youtube as well.

Jager_The_Werewolf

Dracane wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

@Tigerboy78 Welcome to the pack!

Id suggest looking up a WW guide online, there are quite a few decent ones out there.

My stamsorc dedicated WW runs with a pretty standard duel wield set up on the WW ulti bar, making sure to have valuable skills/passive buffs present (such as increased crit damage and x2 fighters guild skills to increase weapon damage, etc), so that these carry over into WW form. As for sets, personally I run Molag Kena, Blood Moon, and Relequen. This is my pve set up, in pvp I swap Relequen out for New Moon Acolyte, for the raw damage (and cos Rele stacks are problematic to maintain) or, I use a more defensive/utility set depending on how things are going - more health/stam/resistances are always welcome

Dracane wrote: »

Another Werewolf? It's not like we already have hundrets of those running around everywhere.

Rarely have I seen such a blatant and obvious meta. Like never actually. Time to do something about it.

I think you are plain wrong. Sure, there are a noticeable number of WW, you do see them, however not on any noteworthy scale that I have noticed, in pve, bg or cyro. I can spend a whole evening in Cyro and only see a couple. And in pve theyre even rarerer in my experience.

Is a good WW difficult to deal with? Yes. Can they be dealt with? Yes. Are your complaints accurate or warranted? No.

To make an effective WW requires an appropriate build, for pve or pvp, you cant just chuck WW on the bar and off you go destroying all comers, the build needs to be set up right (sets and skills) for maximum effect and to do what those challenging WW you encounter are doing.

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Taking the time to be so unhelpful. There is 0 constrictive criticism in there. There is easy counter play. All though This patch i would agree there everywhere but last patch there was so little.... wonder why that is? Crimson lol

Don't listen to this guy, Play how you want. As i said before, you can play how ever you want, best part of this game

Dracane

Jager_The_Werewolf wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

@Tigerboy78 Welcome to the pack!

Id suggest looking up a WW guide online, there are quite a few decent ones out there.

My stamsorc dedicated WW runs with a pretty standard duel wield set up on the WW ulti bar, making sure to have valuable skills/passive buffs present (such as increased crit damage and x2 fighters guild skills to increase weapon damage, etc), so that these carry over into WW form. As for sets, personally I run Molag Kena, Blood Moon, and Relequen. This is my pve set up, in pvp I swap Relequen out for New Moon Acolyte, for the raw damage (and cos Rele stacks are problematic to maintain) or, I use a more defensive/utility set depending on how things are going - more health/stam/resistances are always welcome

Dracane wrote: »

Another Werewolf? It's not like we already have hundrets of those running around everywhere.

Rarely have I seen such a blatant and obvious meta. Like never actually. Time to do something about it.

I think you are plain wrong. Sure, there are a noticeable number of WW, you do see them, however not on any noteworthy scale that I have noticed, in pve, bg or cyro. I can spend a whole evening in Cyro and only see a couple. And in pve theyre even rarerer in my experience.

Is a good WW difficult to deal with? Yes. Can they be dealt with? Yes. Are your complaints accurate or warranted? No.

To make an effective WW requires an appropriate build, for pve or pvp, you cant just chuck WW on the bar and off you go destroying all comers, the build needs to be set up right (sets and skills) for maximum effect and to do what those challenging WW you encounter are doing.

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Taking the time to be so unhelpful. There is 0 constrictive criticism in there. There is easy counter play. All though This patch i would agree there everywhere but last patch there was so little.... wonder why that is? Crimson lol

Don't listen to this guy, Play how you want. As i said before, you can play how ever you want, best part of this game

I never meant to say anything against anyone playing what they want. You are just imagining that.
All I say is that people ask for a big revelation of what it takes to play Werewolf, while the answer is as simple as the result: Nothing and stack some health. There you go. Immortal and still insane damage.

Werewolf also has no counterplay. Have yet to see some solid counter mentioned by someone. With the otherwordly resistence that they have, the near unmachted mobility and the high health they have because of their nicely comfortably health scaling heal, not even 25% poison damage pose any threat.

Any other "counter" people usually mention, are waaaay too weak and not an actual counter to them.
All I ask, is that Werewolf players stop trying to pretend that Werewolf is in any form or shape okay or balanced as it exist right now and particularly how ridiculous they become with certain sets.

Jager_The_Werewolf

Dracane wrote: »

Jager_The_Werewolf wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

@Tigerboy78 Welcome to the pack!

Id suggest looking up a WW guide online, there are quite a few decent ones out there.

My stamsorc dedicated WW runs with a pretty standard duel wield set up on the WW ulti bar, making sure to have valuable skills/passive buffs present (such as increased crit damage and x2 fighters guild skills to increase weapon damage, etc), so that these carry over into WW form. As for sets, personally I run Molag Kena, Blood Moon, and Relequen. This is my pve set up, in pvp I swap Relequen out for New Moon Acolyte, for the raw damage (and cos Rele stacks are problematic to maintain) or, I use a more defensive/utility set depending on how things are going - more health/stam/resistances are always welcome

Dracane wrote: »

Another Werewolf? It's not like we already have hundrets of those running around everywhere.

Rarely have I seen such a blatant and obvious meta. Like never actually. Time to do something about it.

I think you are plain wrong. Sure, there are a noticeable number of WW, you do see them, however not on any noteworthy scale that I have noticed, in pve, bg or cyro. I can spend a whole evening in Cyro and only see a couple. And in pve theyre even rarerer in my experience.

Is a good WW difficult to deal with? Yes. Can they be dealt with? Yes. Are your complaints accurate or warranted? No.

To make an effective WW requires an appropriate build, for pve or pvp, you cant just chuck WW on the bar and off you go destroying all comers, the build needs to be set up right (sets and skills) for maximum effect and to do what those challenging WW you encounter are doing.

[Quoted post was removed]

Taking the time to be so unhelpful. There is 0 constrictive criticism in there. There is easy counter play. All though This patch i would agree there everywhere but last patch there was so little.... wonder why that is? Crimson lol

Don't listen to this guy, Play how you want. As i said before, you can play how ever you want, best part of this game

I never meant to say anything against anyone playing what they want. You are just imagining that.
All I say is that people ask for a big revelation of what it takes to play Werewolf, while the answer is as simple as the result: Nothing and stack some health. There you go. Immortal and still insane damage.

Werewolf also has no counterplay. Have yet to see some solid counter mentioned by someone. With the otherwordly resistence that they have, the near unmachted mobility and the high health they have because of their nicely comfortably health scaling heal, not even 25% poison damage pose any threat.

Any other "counter" people usually mention, are waaaay too weak and not an actual counter to them.
All I ask, is that Werewolf players stop trying to pretend that Werewolf is in any form or shape okay or balanced as it exist right now and particularly how ridiculous they become with certain sets.

I am not imagining it lol, [snip] If you crutch crimson/ alessia, trollking your right. Thats the reason there so many this patch. Before that there wasent many wolves except in BGS.

There is counter play, and if your not able to counter it, That's on you. They dont have a purge and there heal relies on magicka. After they nerf alessia/crimson they will go back to not being seen much. Most of the classes have counter play. As a magdk i dot them up and pin them to the ground with fossilise/talons and burn them out of resources normally. They only normally get a few heals before there out. Most of the classes have an answer. This patch its harder but there still killable. Crimson/aless and/or torll king needs to be touched. Not wolf. The only thing on wolf that needs to be touched is how long its up for. Call of the pack ether have a max time of 5 mins or drop amount to 40-50%

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Tigerboy78

So I finally hit 50 on my Werewolf Sorc! I'm looking to outfit him now. I'm leaning towards Briarheart and New Moon acolyte for my PVP setup. What is a good monsterhelm set for PVP? I was thinking either engine guardian for sustain or something with more offense

Ryuvain

Tigerboy78 wrote: »

So I finally hit 50 on my Werewolf Sorc! I'm looking to outfit him now. I'm leaning towards Briarheart and New Moon acolyte for my PVP setup. What is a good monsterhelm set for PVP? I was thinking either engine guardian for sustain or something with more offense

Chudan is also good for armor. That's my personal choice, mostly because I hate having low armor.

Tigerboy78

Going with Chudan monster set for now. Anything else I should know before I go and get myself killed in pvp?

Ryuvain

Tigerboy78 wrote: »

Going with Chudan monster set for now. Anything else I should know before I go and get myself killed in pvp?

Not really. You are forced to stay in their face for damage, so jump on ranged enemies and especially bow poison users asap. If they cc you too much you can't cleanse at all, so try to keep your stam up.