Poor excuses for their loss.

hexentb16_ESO

Does anyone feel like too many players are making poor excuses for their loss?

In pvp for example, I've seen groups of 4-8 attacking a tank getting nowhere. I know they're all using decent builds with gold gear. Then I come along, place a single Magnum Shot, and the tank dies almost instantly. The group then complains that tanks are too overpowered. No, they just weren't using any CCs. Thats just the most common however. I've caught players complaining about a specific set being too overpowered after they see it on their death recap when in fact they just didn't use any self heals or defensive abilities. If they use only offensive abilities of course they're going to die easily! I've even caught players blaming their loss on enemy keeps having too many rocks around them when they can use those rocks to their advantage too.

In pve I've been in far too many failed runs where the group died constantly. They blame the dungeon being too difficult(on normal) and say it should be nerfed. Yet I the squishy nightblade dps remain alive because I paid attention to the on screen tip the game gave us. I politely explain the dungeon mechanics to the group but they usually ignore me and die a couple more times until they eventually rage quit.

Sometimes I wonder if the creators of the game are listening to the wrong players. We have yet to receive a way to hide our vampirism like some of the npc vampires can or a way to hide our shoulders despite asking since the game launched. Yet sets that aren't actually a problem get nerfed frequently because a couple players complained about them after dying to them because they used the same old strategy they always use instead of adapting to the circumstance.

By the way. I've both used and fought against every build pvpers usually complain about and think that they're not really a problem at all if you adapt your strategies to them. If they fail to do this and use the same old strategy they will likely fail. Sometimes winning isn't an option at all and you're just outnumbered, outskilled, or just laggy as hell.

Edit: Bomb builds are an exception to this. I've both used and fought against them. This build shouldn't exist.

Sorry if this sounds more like venting than a discussion. The forums erased my progress typing this when a notification popped up. Though some of the issues I spoke of above annoy me most of the potentially perceived irritation is caused by having to retype this.

Oh and keep in mind that this is just the opinions of some random bloke on the internet and not fact...duh.

Edit2: Should any frequent complainers be reading this, who will undoubtedly be triggered by this post (sorry), please consider asking yourself "Is there anything I could have done differently in that situation that would have made it better" after a loss. It doesn't matter how long you've been playing or what level you are, this is always a question you should ask yourself after a loss. You may find that asking for nerfs on the forums isn't as neccessary as you originally thought.

Aznarb

Wait, you mean most player are bad and won't ever acknowledge it ? Shocked. SHO-CKED

Taunky

A lot of players (especially in PvP) have a very high ego and don't want to admit when they make an error without throwing out poor excuses, or acknowledge that there's always going to be someone better than them. In their own eyes, they are a god.

thorwyn

Does anyone feel like too many players are making poor excuses for their loss?

No.
99,9% of the players are completely objective, fair and spot on in their post morten analysis.

Vevvev

I agree with you completely OP as there are people who don't know how to counter certain things in this game and just complain since the combat doesn't fit what they desire.

As sad as it is I have fallen into that trap as well and I do my best not to fall into it again. I've learned to suck it up and start experimenting with different abilities, builds, and strategies till one works.

Like for example in the Imperial City this one nightblade kept being a nuisance. He killed me because he was fast, had the stamina to infinitely dodge roll, and a burst combo so good if I tried to run it spelled my death. Whenever I got my claws on him he almost died, but then he'd break free and bolt away before I could land the killing blow. How'd I counter him? The Imperial Physique set!!! And then after countering him hard 2 EP came out of nowhere and ended me so fast I couldn't break free quick enough. R.I.P. 5k Tel'Var stones XD.

Me and EP had a laugh afterwards as we shared our stories fighting that AD nightblade lol.

VaranisArano

Now I'm kinda curious as to why bomb builds shouldn't exist.

I mean, as someone who plays in a PVP guild, bombers are fantastic for keeping us on our toes when repairing breaches or standing around waiting for flags to flip. They're a great test for who's paying attention or not.

hexentb16_ESO

thorwyn wrote: »

Does anyone feel like too many players are making poor excuses for their loss?

No.
99,9% of the players are completely objective, fair and spot on in their post morten analysis.

hexentb16_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

Now I'm kinda curious as to why bomb builds shouldn't exist.

I mean, as someone who plays in a PVP guild, bombers are fantastic for keeping us on our toes when repairing breaches or standing around waiting for flags to flip. They're a great test for who's paying attention or not.

The biggest reason for me when I don't use one is that they ruin good battles. I really enjoy good battles between two teams so evenly matched the only way to win should be with an amazing or unexpected strategy. Bomb builds unfortunately usually end up being the solution. Also, noobs. If you have too many noobs near you it doesn't matter how good you are if a bomb comes by.

The biggest reason for me when using a bomb build is because they're waaaaay to powerful and easy to use. Just get the rotation down and you'll have more AP than you know what to do with.

Oh and now there's that shield that pulls everything to the bomber now too.

itscompton

Aznarb wrote: »

Wait, you mean most player are bad and won't ever acknowledge it ? Shocked. SHO-CKED

You missed the most important part of the post though. Most players are bad...but OP is obviously awesome and deserves (craves) our praise.

SirAndy

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

... Then I come along, place a single Magnum Shot, and the tank dies almost instantly ...

If you took out a "tank" with a single magnum shot, you weren't fighting a tank.

Faiza

itscompton wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Wait, you mean most player are bad and won't ever acknowledge it ? Shocked. SHO-CKED

You missed the most important part of the post though. Most players are bad...but OP is obviously awesome and deserves (craves) our praise.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

hexentb16_ESO

itscompton wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Wait, you mean most player are bad and won't ever acknowledge it ? Shocked. SHO-CKED

You missed the most important part of the post though. Most players are bad...but OP is obviously awesome and deserves (craves) our praise.

I don't think you read the post close enough my good sir. Or perhaps you're inserting your own narrative.

I honestly don't consider myself that skilled of a player. I can outsmart most players but outsmarting a player and defeating them with skill aren't exactly the same thing. And if I craved praise I'd just make an echo post saying the same thing most of the people on the forums are saying. I'm not really into that sort of false/instant gratification however.

hexentb16_ESO

SirAndy wrote: »

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

... Then I come along, place a single Magnum Shot, and the tank dies almost instantly ...

If you took out a "tank" with a single magnum shot, you weren't fighting a tank.

He was a tank. Magnum Shot is a crowd control ability, a Knock back to be specific. The tank was using abilities to survive the damage being done. By using a CC in such a situation you are able to interrupt those abilities and kill him during the window provided while the tank is recovering.

He didn't die from the damage of the CC but it did cause him to die. This is why its important to always use at least one CC in pvp.

Ackwalan

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

... Then I come along, place a single Magnum Shot, and the tank dies almost instantly ...

If you took out a "tank" with a single magnum shot, you weren't fighting a tank.

He was a tank. Magnum Shot is a crowd control ability, a Knock back to be specific. The tank was using abilities to survive the damage being done. By using a CC in such a situation you are able to interrupt those abilities and kill him during the window provided while the tank is recovering.

He didn't die from the damage of the CC but it did cause him to die. This is why its important to always use at least one CC in pvp.

Everybody has bash, the good prema tanks tend to run away from that.

preevious

*** gods.
Maybe you were well-meaning and are not really like this, but that thread sounds way too boasty for it's own good.

vivisectvib16_ESO

Why do you care what someone else's excuse for losing is? Do yourself.

TwinLamps

so golded out 8 ppl group bash on tank and you come from nowhere to end tank with a single magnum shot?

LMOA

hexentb16_ESO

vivisectvib16_ESO wrote: »

Why do you care what someone else's excuse for losing is? Do yourself.

I care because I see a lot of players coming to the forums to ask the devs to alter the game to be easier. I don't think the game should be made easier for players unable to adapt to ever evolving gameplay, especially when there are just as many if not more less vocal players who enjoy that very same gameplay.

hexentb16_ESO

TwinLamps wrote: »

so golded out 8 ppl group bash on tank and you come from nowhere to end tank with a single magnum shot?

LMOA

Don't underestimate a well placed CC my dude. Oh and bashing doesn't work no-guard pvp tanks.

hexentb16_ESO

Ackwalan wrote: »

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

... Then I come along, place a single Magnum Shot, and the tank dies almost instantly ...

If you took out a "tank" with a single magnum shot, you weren't fighting a tank.

He was a tank. Magnum Shot is a crowd control ability, a Knock back to be specific. The tank was using abilities to survive the damage being done. By using a CC in such a situation you are able to interrupt those abilities and kill him during the window provided while the tank is recovering.

He didn't die from the damage of the CC but it did cause him to die. This is why its important to always use at least one CC in pvp.

Everybody has bash, the good prema tanks tend to run away from that.

Bashing doesn't work on no-guard tanks.

thegreat_one

Instead of wondering why people don't know this while others do why don't we tell people when they are fighting said tank how to properly handle them?

I know this is a stretch considering how many people just don't go around them.

As a NB I slot in reapers mark or whatever to debuff them. then I use my CC / stuns to break the chain of skillskeeping them alive. Once the health start to drop I start attacking them.... from a distance.

I feel that having shields proc by simply blocking is a crutch used by many of these tanks aswell.

Kurat

This has always been the case with PVPers. If someone kills you then the other player class, gear or skills must be OP. If they cant kill someone then same thing. Either way then they demand nerfs. No one wants to admit or even think that maybe they are not that great.

And in pve its always funny when pugs wipe after wipe in some vet dlc dungeon and then blame the lag, dungeon, others or anything but themselves and then rage quit lmao.

twev

thorwyn wrote: »

Does anyone feel like too many players are making poor excuses for their loss?

No.
99,9% of the players are completely objective, fair and spot on in their post morten analysis.

I'm not a good enough player to be able to make believable excuses.

twev

thegreat_one wrote: »

Instead of wondering why people don't know this while others do why don't we tell people when they are fighting said tank how to properly handle them?

I know this is a stretch considering how many people just don't go around them.

As a NB I slot in reapers mark or whatever to debuff them. then I use my CC / stuns to break the chain of skillskeeping them alive. Once the health start to drop I start attacking them.... from a distance.

I feel that having shields proc by simply blocking is a crutch used by many of these tanks aswell.

Some players want to learn how to be better players.

A LOT of players want to play the game their way.
It's the ones who say that they bought the game, and 'no one is going to tell me how to play my game' that you just walk away from.

Recapitated

Players aren't going to be objective, that's a guarantee. That doesn't mean you can discount anything players say with the excuse that it's an l2p issue.

If there's a consensus among skilled, knowledgeable players that something is overpowered, they're probably right. Especially if they use that thing, then they have no axe to grind usually.

At other times you can just tell on paper that something is out of whack.

rpa

It's a mmo, only way to not lose is to not play.

Faded

SirAndy wrote: »

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

... Then I come along, place a single Magnum Shot, and the tank dies almost instantly ...

If you took out a "tank" with a single magnum shot, you weren't fighting a tank.

What if you take out a "tank" with a single magnum shot and the overwhelming force of your deep knowledge of the game?

Checkmate, my friend. Check and mate.

Bucky_13

TwinLamps wrote: »

so golded out 8 ppl group bash on tank and you come from nowhere to end tank with a single magnum shot?

LMOA

It IS possible, but hard. Best example is farm tower in Alessia, if they stand on top of tower, you hit them and get the push back, they will most likely die of fall damage. I've managed to one shot a few players that way.

But unless you work with gravity, not gonna be a one shot. A well timed stun however can be very devastating to any player, even the 1vX ones. CCs are fun to use...

SilverBride

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

Does anyone feel like too many players are making poor excuses for their loss?

Do you have discussions after each fight so someone can explain why they lost? What difference does it make what the other player thinks of their own performance?

hexentb16_ESO

SilverBride wrote: »

hexentb16_ESO wrote: »

Does anyone feel like too many players are making poor excuses for their loss?

Do you have discussions after each fight so someone can explain why they lost? What difference does it make what the other player thinks of their own performance?

If they stick around and are willing to consider what I have to say. Usually they don't though. As for why their poor excuses matter it comes down to two things.

1. they won't improve if they think the game or developers are to blame for their loss when its actually because of a poor choice on their part. Though thats their problem and not mine.

2. Some of the worst of the sore losers come onto the ESO forums and ask the Devs to waste their time nerfing things that don't need to be nerfed. ZOS already decides to needlessly nerf things as it is and we don't need sore losers giving them more ideas. This of course excludes the few that actually have a good point however.