Poll: DPS Requirements for Vet DLC Dungeons

Grandchamp1989

Just wondering what the community think would be the DPS requirement where the other DD doesn't have to carry you through Dungeon Vet DLC.
Basicly at what DPS can you pull your own weight where no carries are necessary?

To make it somewhat reliable we have to put a few assumptions in here:

We assume you are familiar with the mechs

We're talking ALL Vet DLC dungeons (No HM)
DPS we're talking Is single target in line with the 3million or 6 million dummy (Not trial dummy)

So assuming the person is familiar with the mechs (not a newbie and not an expert either)
We also assume the other DD can hold their own, but are not strong enough to carry you.
what DPS would you say you should be at, to be able to hold your own in any Vet DLC dungeon from Imperial City Prison to Moonhunter Keep and beyond.

I know there's different requirements in the dungeons, but you can take the hardest Vet DLC dungeon (and what it takes to clear it) and use that as your reference point.

Very interested in seeing what the community think on this, so cast your vote!

Taleof2Cities

Turtles

The non-requirement (as it is now) is fine, @Grandchamp1989.

The group finder only gets you a group ... that’s it. Which is intended by the devs.

If players have a specific requirement for a DLC dungeon, they should form a pre-made group instead.

Grandchamp1989

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The non-requirement (as it is now) is fine, @Grandchamp1989.

The group finder only gets you a group ... that’s it. Which is intended by the devs.

If players have a specific requirement for a DLC dungeon, they should form a pre-made group instead.

Oh no, I don't want to keep anyone from giving vet dlc a try.
But there's a big difference between porting into moongrave with 10k dps to have an experience, and then to actually being able to clear the content itself.

Just curious what people think would be a good standard to where other people wouldn't have to carry you through said content.

You can absolutely have a crack at it if you want, wouldn't wanna keep people from having a go at it if they like punishment lol.

JoeCapricorn

20k Parse

(ignore my vote)

I don't think there is any requirement, but the difficulty of Veteran dungeons itself kinda necessitates a minimum amount of DPS. Especially if there is a DPS race. Veteran AA is impossible if the group doesn't have a certain amount of DPS to get those Wispmother adds down in time.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

25k Parse

Personally, I feel 25k dps is sufficient for any vet dungeon, when paired with knowledge of mechanics, to complete them somewhat comfortably. Now what you *can* complete them with, is another matter.

nukk3r

30k Parse

IMO 30k self sustained is enough to pass all DPS checks. Go lower and you won't get past some bosses because you'll be overwhelmed by the mechanics.

oddbasket

25k Parse

What one does in the dungeon is lower than what you parse usually anyway especially in pugs with little buffs.

Waffennacht

20k Parse

Im looking at the minimum dps needed in order for neither dps to be carrying the other and I feel like that minimum is 20k.

At 40k dps amongst the two, then neither is an expert and neither being carried

idk

Turtles

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

The non-requirement (as it is now) is fine, @Grandchamp1989.

The group finder only gets you a group ... that’s it. Which is intended by the devs.

If players have a specific requirement for a DLC dungeon, they should form a pre-made group instead.

@Taleof2Cities has hit the nail on the head. What I would add to this is a DPS requirement becomes very irrelevant when they cannot notice or manage mechanics. A dead DPS is not doing any damage. If they get someone else killed along the way it could be even worse.

If you want to ensure you have a decent run then form your own group. Most of us do that which is why when using the GF it is a real dice roll on what you get.

Vevvev

20k Parse

I've heard 20k thrown around a lot and I have come to agree with it. If you get two DPS that can put out at least 20k DPS each you can pass just about every single veteran DLC dungeon. Then it's mostly refinement of mechanics and builds at that point.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Turtles

Are there even dlc dungeons that have true dps checks? I'm probably missing something, but I can't remember any mechanic that wipes the whole group if you don't have enough dps besides enraging flesh atros in ICP and running out of hiding spots on last boss in FH. But those can both be done with just 10k dps per player.
However if I don't want to adjust our fight "strategies" (not sure if stack, burn and ignore everything else deserves to be called strategy ) and burst all the bosses that I'm used to burst, then we I think we need about 50k on each dd.

Vevvev

20k Parse

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Are there even dlc dungeons that have true dps checks? I'm probably missing something, but I can't remember any mechanic that wipes the whole group if you don't have enough dps besides enraging flesh atros in ICP and running out of hiding spots on last boss in FH. But those can both be done with just 10k dps per player.
However if I don't want to adjust our fight "strategies" (not sure if stack, burn and ignore everything else deserves to be called strategy ) and burst all the bosses that I'm used to burst, then we I think we need about 50k on each dd.

Icereach and Lair of Maarselok come out to me when it comes to DPS checks. Sure there are a few others but I can't remember them right now.

Grandma

35k Parse

i didn't bother reading your post until after i voted like all normal people do, so i would lower it one category but for hm you want to kick it up a notch. also i'd just use iron atros since they're a lot easier to standardize parses on. on those i'd say anything around 60-70k is good dps for most vet content including some raids.

bmnoble

Turtles

I would hope both damage dealers can manage at least 20K DPS but see no reason to add a DPS check, not even sure how they would implement it.

If your DPS is low your likely to get kicked by the group and have to re join the queue that is penalty enough.

zvavi

20k Parse

20k sounds about right. If you take in count older ones only than 15k should suffice as well, notice that these numbers are not to pass, but to have a comfortable run if all mechanics are being followed.

SirAndy

Any DPS can clear any Vet DLC, it just takes longer if it's very low

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

55k parse or higher

Please, humor us and show us your solo parse with 55k+ dps with no group or trial buffs.
Just you, yourself and the two of you on a normal dummy with no outside help or group buffs/debuffs.

Until then, bugger off ...

zvavi

20k Parse

SirAndy wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

55k parse or higher

Please, humor us and show us your solo parse with 55k+ dps with no group or trial buffs.
Just you, yourself and the two of you on a normal dummy with no outside help or group buffs/debuffs.

Until then, bugger off ...

How much cheese is allowed for that? Prebuff with balorgh master architect elf bane destro ult allowed? Cause we can probably can break 65k like that hehe

DMuehlhausen

Any DPS can clear any Vet DLC, it just takes longer if it's very low

The only change I would make is you have to be at least 160 to queue for Vet. It's annoying when you get sub 160 then even if an item you are needing drops for them they can't trade it cause it won't be 160

ccfeeling

30k Parse

Around 30k and well know the dungeon mechanics or willing to learn , communicate .

Sarannah

Turtles

It is stupid to measure DPS with a dummy. As in vet dungeons players have to move to avoid stuff. Low DPS is not that big of a problem as some players make it seem to be. As a tank I have to say low DPS barely ever happens.
Besides that: someone could parse 10 million DPS on a dummy, but not do anything in a dungeon.

Which makes a DPS parse requirement unneeded, useless, and unused. Just kick players if you feel they are terrible!

AyaDark

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Just wondering what the community think would be the DPS requirement where the other DD doesn't have to carry you through Dungeon Vet DLC.
Basicly at what DPS can you pull your own weight where no carries are necessary?

To make it somewhat reliable we have to put a few assumptions in here:

We assume you are familiar with the mechs

We're talking ALL Vet DLC dungeons (No HM)
DPS we're talking Is single target in line with the 3million or 6 million dummy (Not trial dummy)

So assuming the person is familiar with the mechs (not a newbie and not an expert either)
We also assume the other DD can hold their own, but are not strong enough to carry you.
what DPS would you say you should be at, to be able to hold your own in any Vet DLC dungeon from Imperial City Prison to Moonhunter Keep and beyond.

I know there's different requirements in the dungeons, but you can take the hardest Vet DLC dungeon (and what it takes to clear it) and use that as your reference point.

Very interested in seeing what the community think on this, so cast your vote!

DPS of 40 k on 3 k k self dummy can be made by only having gear and dps basics. As example i did it on nord tank with easy.

But not all players havemax CP, players of 200 cp did 30k dps with some our training, so i think 25k dps is normal start, but dunguans are not about only dps.

DPS is whatDD must gave - 40k dps on 3kk dummy is what you make you DD on max CP, all other you can is your skill.

Some DD think that there play is focused only on dps, but it is wrong. And u have a lot of setuations where 30k dps low level was better than 80k dps atro potato.

But as i already say - 40k dps is easy on max CP, problem is, vet is not only for max CP players, so check like this can be not fair.

You can get 200cp 20k dps skilled player or 810+ 20k dps low skilled player, so nothing change with checks like that.

If you make value more - liw cp players will not pass and i am not sure that dummy dps potatos are good for dunguans too, so ok they have dps on dummy but, they are all the way dead ... .

So it is not correct to check dunguan play by dummy - the first thing we need to start from.

Solo arena like new one may be can be a good check.

But even if youstart test people like that they just will buy achivment for that , so no point in it.

Nordic__Knights

20k Parse

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

The only change I would make is you have to be at least 160 to queue for Vet. It's annoying when you get sub 160 then even if an item you are needing drops for them they can't trade it cause it won't be 160

sticker book fixed that issue now tho

Nordic__Knights

20k Parse

if both are putting out around 20k the damage done per should be close to 50% up on some down on others but not everythings going to be cut 50/50 all the time

wnights

In my recent experience (I've been doing vet dungeons in PUGs only) the ability to be patient, listen and communicate are the most important when it comes to doing vet dlc dungeons. Oh, and learning from your mistakes too.

I don't mind wiping as long as each attempt is getting better and better. My dps in dungeons is somewhere between 20-35k, depending on buffs from the healer/tank etc. I have recently completed vet Castle Thorn with a PUG (tank knew the mechs, the other dps and myself - didn't). He explained stuff to us and we only wiped a couple of times on the last two bosses.

It's not so much about dps as it is about a group of equally interested adults. No one is expecting to be carried or wants to carry someone, but we all want to learn and get better.

zvavi

20k Parse

wnights wrote: »

It's not so much about dps as it is about a group of equally interested adults. No one is expecting to be carried or wants to carry someone, but we all want to learn and get better.

That's optimal. Sadly it is not always the case. Even when you get people from guild.

Elwendryll

20k Parse

I'm not 100% sure about that answer. There aren't that many dps checks but there are, I'm thinking of Maarselok on his perch.

To be clear, I have the trifecta on 10 dlc dungeons (waiting for the motifs to be released in the new ones), and I'm used to run dungeons with 40-50k on each DD, and the healer often dealing damage as well, so I may be a bit out of touch, I very recently discovered some mechanics that never happened with my usual groups, because of dps. So I may be unaware of some soft dps checks.

Joinovikova

30k Parse

30k is enaugh, more important is know mechanic.. look at boss, AOEs ect not just damage metter

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

30k Parse

i put 30k but that is the full group including the healer and tank is more than enough

Zodiarkslayer

30k Parse

More is better. But too high a requirement destroys the community. 30k is a compromise.

Normal is for normal players. I would like to have a separate Veteran Rank based on specific achievements instead of DPS parses, whose meaningfulness is limited at best.

Plus vet DLC requirements can be based on base game veteran achievements. That would be easily possible.

spartaxoxo

30k Parse

I say this but if they ever made a requirement, it should be lower than this, probably like 25k.

30k is just enough where people can carry a 10k dps without the group suffering too much since most casual vet people out here rocking like 20-25. Its the comfy number so to speak rather than what should ever happen for a dps requirement.

Guyle

How would you standardize it though? Some players may not have access to any of the dummies, and their dps numbers will be different patch to patch. Also, from what I have seen in other games, the requirements for certain content are often so low as to be meaningless, as a group full of players at that threshold would not in fact actually be able to complete the content.