Prices of items at traders

noblecron

I don't talk much on here. I also know that I could grind for things but does anyone else think the pricing of items in guild traders is starting to get a bit out of hand? 300k and up for motiff pages both old and new, 500k to a million for style pages both old and new. 3 million and up for runeboxes. Most players that aren't in a trade guild can't even afford that kind of gold. I'm honestly at the point that I kind of wish ZOS would step in and semi control how high someone can make something in price cause its getting to be a bit ridiculous.

noblecron

Like I said I know I could grind for somethings but if someone doesn't like PVP or doing dungeons but wants the item, it shouldn't cost as much as a player house. I don't want to be given it for free either. Not saying that. But like instead of a mil, I would be willing to pay 500k for a runebox

Araneae6537

There are lots of style and motif pages not nearly that expensive, especially after an event has made them relatively plentiful. The motifs and style pages that you’re talking about are rare, requiring completing more challenging content and fortunate RNG besides or, in the case of style pages, possibly not even available anymore.

What would happen if there were price caps? Simple. No one would sell them at all any more, not through guild traders that is. Instead they would trade them for gold or Crowns and it would be overall more difficult to acquire.

nukk3r

All the stuff you mentioned is vanity items. You either get them yourself or pay others for convenience.

noblecron wrote: »

Most players that aren't in a trade guild can't even afford that kind of gold.

This is simply not true. Do your daily writs with the maximum amount of characters available to you.

AlnilamE

People can list things for as much as they want. That doesn't mean they are going to sell it for that price.

If something is listed above the price you are willing to pay, be patient and wait.

Xebov

What you have to understand is that its a free market. You can farm all the items yourself or you can farm gold and pay others for farming them. Prices are a simple supply and demand. Certain motif pages are not heavily farmed so they are more expansive. Thats how it is. Complaining about that will ot get you anywhere.

twev

Price controls don't work in the real world.
Limit the price on an item and the sellers are less liable to create items to sell.

"What are the effects of price control?
Over the long term, price controls inevitably lead to problems such as shortages, rationing, deterioration of product quality, and black markets that arise to supply the price-controlled goods through unofficial channels"

Why would you think it would work in a game world when it doesn't result in favorable results in the real world?

jaws343

Some of those rune boxes take 30+ days to get. And some of the motifs are rare to drop or limited time. People are mostly charging for their time and the difficulty to obtain the motifs. It's why I can sell a blue Solitude plan for 10k and I vendor blue breton plans because those rarely sell for anything worth a trader slot. And yeah, every item you can get for the same time cost that the player who is selling it spent. Priced for convenience doesn't always mean priced to your liking.

jaws343

nukk3r wrote: »

All the stuff you mentioned is vanity items. You either get them yourself or pay others for convenience.

noblecron wrote: »

Most players that aren't in a trade guild can't even afford that kind of gold.

This is simply not true. Do your daily writs with the maximum amount of characters available to you.

It's not even that either really. People shouldn't start out in the trading game and immediately expect to be able to buy every item. When I started trading in this game, I certainly couldn't buy most gear because I had under 100K gold at the time. A little time and effort and now 100K gold is pocket change. Items that I never would have thought I'd purchase due to cost are now accessible.

Jeremy

noblecron wrote: »

I don't talk much on here. I also know that I could grind for things but does anyone else think the pricing of items in guild traders is starting to get a bit out of hand? 300k and up for motiff pages both old and new, 500k to a million for style pages both old and new. 3 million and up for runeboxes. Most players that aren't in a trade guild can't even afford that kind of gold. I'm honestly at the point that I kind of wish ZOS would step in and semi control how high someone can make something in price cause its getting to be a bit ridiculous.

Many of those motif pages are ridiculously priced. What we have are individuals and guilds who corner the market on certain products by buying them all up and then reposting them at bloated prices. They call it "flipping".

My advice: just don't buy them. Unless you just really want that particular motif or style page it's not worth going broke for.

FlopsyPrince

nukk3r wrote: »

All the stuff you mentioned is vanity items. You either get them yourself or pay others for convenience.

noblecron wrote: »

Most players that aren't in a trade guild can't even afford that kind of gold.

This is simply not true. Do your daily writs with the maximum amount of characters available to you.

True, but it is much more of a pain on consoles, ESPECIALLY with the log out/log in delays in the process.

idk

If the price of an item is more than someone is willing to pay for it then the great solution is to farm or learn to craft the item themselves. In this case, it would be farming it.

FlopsyPrince

Note to the OP:

Just because something is listed at a price doesn't mean anyone spends that much.

Though this also shows the failure of the current system since it is so hard to find things or at least a server-wide price on things. I look at times, but it is a pain!

Jaraal

noblecron wrote: »

300k and up for motiff pages both old and new, 500k to a million for style pages both old and new. 3 million and up for runeboxes.

This stuff isn't hard to get, it just takes time and a little dedication to finding things players will pay good money for. Some trial drops are admittedly harder to get, but a solo player who's not in "trade guilds" can easily find things in this value range to sell and buy the expensive things they can't/won't farm themselves.

Slyclone

When i bought all the motifs in the game, it cost me 26 million and a few hundred dollars. I made that money selling mats and gear. Took me a year to catch up to the game. I am still not done buying all the runeboxes and style pages.

6 to 8 more million to go.

Faiza

Just like IRL it pays off to do a bit if searching and price comparison when you want something specific.

Often times smaller guilds with traders in less travelled areas may have better prices, depending. I always check TTC as well to see where the item I want was last listed.

I'm also in guilds where we share motifs, patterns, recipes, and furniture - have you tried collaborating with friends? For example, if I might save an anequina motif for a friend who wants it, and they'll keep an eye out for a draugr for me, and vice versa.

The other thing, which has been mentioned in some of the top replies, is that just because you can price something at whatever price doesnt mean someone will buy it.

You'll also notice that a lot of these newer rare drops are/will continue to drop significantly in price as more players acquire them.

I think arbitrarily introducing a cap would just mean everyone would list then at the cap and the problem wouldnt be solved.

SirTreb

Tamriel trade centre. Search for the item you want. Go to trader that offer lowest price or a decent price if you don't want to try multiple trader until you find one where the item is still there.

josiahva

Price controls have worked in zero economies...ever. All price controls do is stop items being produced/sold at all, supply dries up because people can not make a profit, and when they can't make a profit, there is no reason to do the work...read some history. Things are worth what people are paying for them...obviously if people are actually buying that garbage at 3mil gold, there is a market for it. Of course that doesn't mean people can't list an item for whatever ridiculous price they want.

xilfxlegion

every single thing you see in a trader or for sale in this game is available to you if you wish to grind for it.


bypassing the grind and in essence paying for someone else's grind is your choice also.


an item is only worth what people will pay for it. it's simple supply and demand.

i am a grand master crafter --- i know every motif style in the game -- some of these styles -- such as fang lair and pyre watch are a pain to get -- so i buy the ones i dont want to farm. youre literally paying for convenience. just like when you spend more for smokes at 7-11 then you would if you went to the tobacco store -- its a convenience fee

rpa

I shopped for a bunch of crafting related not particulary rare things yesterday, highest price I saw was typically roughly ten times the price I paid. (Also saw some totally ridiculous prices.) Some legwork saved a lot for me.

YandereGirlfriend

There's one real problem here and one imaginary problem.

The real problem is the phenomenon of cartel-like behavior by certain players and guilds, who, as has been said, buy up the entire market of a certain commodity and then charge a ridiculous price since they are now the only ones selling it. The real world has anti-monopoly regulation to discourage this type of behavior, though there are exceptions such as OPEC and the major sporting leagues.

The imagined problem is high prices for items when there is no cartel-like behavior at play. That is simply supply and demand and many of those items are difficult and/or time-consuming to obtain and you, as the buyer, ought not be able to tell the seller what their time and effort is worth.

Ghostbane

For every outrageous price you see, there is a trader lurking ready to price it lower.

Be patient. Always check TTC, Stores and other tools every day. Markets change frequently.

Faiza

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

There's one real problem here and one imaginary problem.

The real problem is the phenomenon of cartel-like behavior by certain players and guilds, who, as has been said, buy up the entire market of a certain commodity and then charge a ridiculous price since they are now the only ones selling it. The real world has anti-monopoly regulation to discourage this type of behavior, though there are exceptions such as OPEC and the major sporting leagues.

The imagined problem is high prices for items when there is no cartel-like behavior at play. That is simply supply and demand and many of those items are difficult and/or time-consuming to obtain and you, as the buyer, ought not be able to tell the seller what their time and effort is worth.

You do bring up a good point, which I think really applies strongly to crafting materials but not so much things like motifs because its harder to gain motifs in bulk.

I really wish player mentality towards these others would change, but thats a problem much larger than ESO.

FlopsyPrince

SirTreb wrote: »

Tamriel trade centre. Search for the item you want. Go to trader that offer lowest price or a decent price if you don't want to try multiple trader until you find one where the item is still there.

Not on consoles, where many of us are!

zaria

Araneae6537 wrote: »

There are lots of style and motif pages not nearly that expensive, especially after an event has made them relatively plentiful. The motifs and style pages that you’re talking about are rare, requiring completing more challenging content and fortunate RNG besides or, in the case of style pages, possibly not even available anymore.

What would happen if there were price caps? Simple. No one would sell them at all any more, not through guild traders that is. Instead they would trade them for gold or Crowns and it would be overall more difficult to acquire.

This, expensive motif pages tend to be newer dlc dungeon pages.
People buy them because they are still unique.
Remember getting questions running Jorvuld's Guidance on healer. Simply as it was not an style yet.
Most pages is <10K for chest who is the most visible part.
And yes seen some weird stuff like MoL pages are expensive now for some reason.

preevious

Gosh, you mean that expensive stuff is expensive? That's quite the news.

Yes, there are expensive items, just like irl.
The fact that it is too expensive for you do not mean it's too expensive. It means you don't care enough about the item to pay its price.

Faiza

preevious wrote: »

Gosh, you mean that expensive stuff is expensive? That's quite the news.

Yes, there are expensive items, just like irl.
The fact that it is too expensive for you do not mean it's too expensive. It means you don't care enough about the item to pay its price.

This is a terrible analogy because there are plenty of things IRL where the price is marked up for no other reason than corporate greed...

Nordic__Knights

ZOS PLEASE HOLD MY HAND ON EVERYTHING I LIKE BEING RULED

no ty

if your not willing to pay the price you dont need the item simple as that and as one that WONT be buying ANYTHING on PC because player think they take the gold to their grave or something and ask out the --- for everything

like this wax on ps4 is 2-2.5k per on pc its 8-10k and tho i have 2.6mill on PC i wouldnt buy 1 if its all i needed ill just go farm tell i get one as in MY books 10k is over priced , but should ZOS step in and say ok thats not cool wax is max 5k NOT NO BUT -=-= NO because then no one would ever list anything good or bad in price