thoughts on winter's respite for 4-man content?

Muttsmutt

i've been greatly enjoying it on my templar. i have been doing strictly 4-man content.
i'm not a big fan of olorime, & i feel that winter's respite enables SPC to be more competitive against olorime.
it's also nice to save cast time on springs when it's built-in with shards, when soloing content.

again, talking about 4-man content only, what are your thoughts on this set?
i imagine it's weaker in trials or pvp, but i care & know little about those.

universal_wrath

It is very good set with both radius and heqling output. My only problem with it is that it is a ground based, maeaning it does not move. For 4 man DLC content, you will find yourself and teammate moving a lot outside of its radius. That us way I even droped healing spring on my templar and only kept alter for its huge radius and ritual for cleanse with needed. Standing in 1 spot in DLC dungeongs maoes you vunerable to AOE qttqcks more often.

Muttsmutt

yeah, unfortunately that is its main weakness, though it really depends on the fight.
percentually, it feels like there just isn't a significant enough amount of fights where it becomes irrelevant, therefore it can be a main set. maybe swapped out for something else for those few fights.

Araneae6537

I’m liking it on my warden healer, including that I feel it’s a good fit thematically! While I agree that ground-based aren’t always ideal, there are still situations where it can be very helpful in my opinion.

FrancisCrawford

I run it sometimes, when I feel like having an additional HoT beyound Radiating Regenration. (I never run Illustrious Healing and I never run Altar.)

I presume it doesn't proc SPC or Earthgore, but at least it helps with the overhealing that SPC requires. Besides -- in GF PUGs it would be a good idea to heal people rapidly back to full even without the SPC incentive to do so.

Muttsmutt

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I presume it doesn't proc SPC or Earthgore

it does proc SPC actually; so probably earthgore too.

Wing

i actually love that set for 4 man content, and run a similar build of SPC, winters, and nightflame.

i just love all the aoe healing going on, everyone feels so safe.

Wandering_Immigrant

I use it on my warden stam healer. Jewelry and a bow, I proc it off endless hail. It works fantastically, she needed a source of extra magika anyway for keeping up orbs and a couple of other things. I pair it with Powerful Assault and Chokethorn.

Hotdog_23

Generally I run SPC and a DPS set as a healer. Guess in the hardest of content you would need a 2nd healing set but in my experience killing stuff quicker is better then extra healing another set such as winter's respite. In fact winter's respite is a good tanking set for 3dps and tank runs where some struggle to stay alive. Prefer YOLO and SPC instead on a tank for Major/Minor Courage buff.

Muttsmutt

Wing wrote: »

i just love all the aoe healing going on, everyone feels so safe.

that's cute. i agree.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Generally I run SPC and a DPS set as a healer.

i've thought about doing that as well. i imagine it would be good for soloing content too.
what DPS sets do you think would be most fitting?

also yeah, i'm definitely going to run winter's respite on my warden tank-healer for 3dps dungeons, i love how it fits thematically as well.

Hotdog_23

Muttsmutt wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

i just love all the aoe healing going on, everyone feels so safe.

that's cute. i agree.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Generally I run SPC and a DPS set as a healer.

i've thought about doing that as well. i imagine it would be good for soloing content too.
what DPS sets do you think would be most fitting?

also yeah, i'm definitely going to run winter's respite on my warden tank-healer for 3dps dungeons, i love how it fits thematically as well.

I like false gods so I don't have to change sets for whatever I am doing.

FrancisCrawford

Muttsmutt wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

i just love all the aoe healing going on, everyone feels so safe.

that's cute. i agree.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Generally I run SPC and a DPS set as a healer.

i've thought about doing that as well. i imagine it would be good for soloing content too.
what DPS sets do you think would be most fitting?

also yeah, i'm definitely going to run winter's respite on my warden tank-healer for 3dps dungeons, i love how it fits thematically as well.

My default as a healer is SPC, Earthgore and a stat set -- Julianos, Mother's Sorrow, whatever. A "battery" set is another alternative -- generally Worm Cult, since I don't have enough Holllowfang yet. I haven't yet run the outrigh debuff sets, like Martial Knowledge (don't want to mess with the condition) or Catalyst (don't have it yet, and crit rates seem to be coming down anyway).

oscarovegren

The best use of this set is actually on a tank for 3DD/1T content (jewelry + backbar weapons). If you have a pure healer they should have enough healing output to keep the group at full health all the time, which leaves room for more buff/debuff sets

However: Play the game how you want to

dcam86b14_ESO

I prefer WD in pvp but for pve I get more use out of Hollowfang.

Muttsmutt

hollowfang?
is it actually worth the slot in any content that isn't, well, organized, AND running magicka DPSes?
the radius is so small and most people just don't USE it, whether intentional or not. i know i sometimes miss one i mean to take because it's so small and i simply do not want to sit where the ball is.

White wabbit

oscarovegren wrote: »

The best use of this set is actually on a tank for 3DD/1T content (jewelry + backbar weapons). If you have a pure healer they should have enough healing output to keep the group at full health all the time, which leaves room for more buff/debuff sets

However: Play the game how you want to

I run a warden tank and I was thinking about this set

Wandering_Immigrant

Muttsmutt wrote: »

hollowfang?
is it actually worth the slot in any content that isn't, well, organized, AND running magicka DPSes?
the radius is so small and most people just don't USE it, whether intentional or not. i know i sometimes miss one i mean to take because it's so small and i simply do not want to sit where the ball is.

I run it on my sorcerer healer, and it's generally more for the tank. Dps can better utilize orbs since they only really need their primary stat. Tanks are usually set up with higher stam, but still need mag, hollowfang is great for giving it to them. My templar healer I don't run it because she can use shards for the tank.

Muttsmutt

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

Muttsmutt wrote: »

hollowfang?
is it actually worth the slot in any content that isn't, well, organized, AND running magicka DPSes?
the radius is so small and most people just don't USE it, whether intentional or not. i know i sometimes miss one i mean to take because it's so small and i simply do not want to sit where the ball is.

I don't run it because she can use shards for the tank.

wait a second, are healers supposed to use both shards and orbs?
shards for tank and orbs for dps?

AcadianPaladin

My templar healer uses both shards and orbs (the damage morph that still gives resources) but ground up Winter's Respite the moment it changed from helping all nearby allies to only helping members of your group.

Wandering_Immigrant

Muttsmutt wrote: »

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

Muttsmutt wrote: »

hollowfang?
is it actually worth the slot in any content that isn't, well, organized, AND running magicka DPSes?
the radius is so small and most people just don't USE it, whether intentional or not. i know i sometimes miss one i mean to take because it's so small and i simply do not want to sit where the ball is.

I don't run it because she can use shards for the tank.

wait a second, are healers supposed to use both shards and orbs?
shards for tank and orbs for dps?

I honestly don't know what most people do. I find doing it this way to be the safe bet in harder content, or with less experienced players. I don't generally optimize for easier situations, I usually pug and so I go in prepared for the worst.

I do carry secondary setups on all my characters, but I rarely switch to them. I'm on console so no quick load-outs for gear and skill bar, which means it takes longer to manually swap things around than the time we would save by me switching to a less full support setup. One of many reasons why my #1 QoL improvement would be gear and skill bar load-outs, but that's a whole other topic.

Zodiarkslayer

When I ran my MagSorc Healer I used it to boost Healing output. In PUGs it was a great option to carry weaklings through some tougher dungeons. AND it let me focus more on damage dealing. Regeneration and Prayer were the Only Healing skills I needed to slot. The rest were damage and ressource skills.

Grianasteri

Muttsmutt wrote: »

i've been greatly enjoying it on my templar. i have been doing strictly 4-man content.
i'm not a big fan of olorime, & i feel that winter's respite enables SPC to be more competitive against olorime.
it's also nice to save cast time on springs when it's built-in with shards, when soloing content.

again, talking about 4-man content only, what are your thoughts on this set?
i imagine it's weaker in trials or pvp, but i care & know little about those.

I am sure there was another very similar thread recently.

Anyway personally I think its a great set. It may not be "meta" but its very good fun, looks great and it provides a huge amount of healing. I think its very strong for 4 person content.

I particularly like it on my Warden healer. It visually and thematically fits with the Warden class, and more importantly when combined with budding seeds and healing springs, it creates a huge circle (x3) of absolutely massive heals per second.

Muttsmutt

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Winter's Respite [...] changed from helping all nearby allies to only helping members of your group.

what do you mean? how this an issue? aren't you always grouped with the people you are healing?

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

AND it let me focus more on damage dealing

this is something i love about it when doing randoms with my healer. i literally do not use any healing skills at all, he's basically a magplar, which really helps to speed up those random dungs for crystals.

Grianasteri wrote: »

when combined with budding seeds and healing springs, it creates a huge circle (x3) of absolutely massive heals per second.

i haven't yet tried it on my warden, but that's a great point which i look forward to seeing in action.)

danno8

Muttsmutt wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Winter's Respite [...] changed from helping all nearby allies to only helping members of your group.

what do you mean? how this an issue? aren't you always grouped with the people you are healing?

Must be talking PvP. You need to be grouped now.

Starlight_Whisper

Muttsmutt wrote: »

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

Muttsmutt wrote: »

hollowfang?
is it actually worth the slot in any content that isn't, well, organized, AND running magicka DPSes?
the radius is so small and most people just don't USE it, whether intentional or not. i know i sometimes miss one i mean to take because it's so small and i simply do not want to sit where the ball is.

I don't run it because she can use shards for the tank.

wait a second, are healers supposed to use both shards and orbs?
shards for tank and orbs for dps?

Nah they aren't updated. Orbs and shards share same synergy cool down and orbs can be synergized by everyone easily now

oscarovegren

White wabbit wrote: »

oscarovegren wrote: »

The best use of this set is actually on a tank for 3DD/1T content (jewelry + backbar weapons). If you have a pure healer they should have enough healing output to keep the group at full health all the time, which leaves room for more buff/debuff sets

However: Play the game how you want to

I run a warden tank and I was thinking about this set

Its a great way to give your group minor toughness. Grippling shards proc it and it fits the ice warden theme