Good solo PvE build for altmer magplar?

HankTwo

Hi guys,

After finishing vet vateshran on my PvP stam necro build, which was a huge pain with multiple wipes involved, I decided to finally create a dedicated PvE dd build. I'm mostly aiming at vet solo arenas and 3 dd + 1 tank 4-man vet dlc dungeons. For ease of use and great cleave damage I want to use my altmer magplar, but I would also have a fully leveled breton nightblade and dunmer sorc ready.

Now, I've already seen that multiple sources recommend false gods devotion. However, unless the set is much better than the alternatives, I would like to avoid getting trial gear. So, what build would you guys recommend? I've already farmed ring of the pale order.

Cheers,

Hank

Zodiarkslayer

It totally depends. If you are looking for survivability or damage output. With Ring of the pale Order you will have no difficulty in self healing, so a lot of comparative advantages of the templar class are becoming useless.

For damage I recommend Mothers Sorrow and Julianos or New moon Acolytes. You never go wrong with that. But if you want more mitigation try Cyrodiil's Light or Torug's Pact with Infused traits on both Bars and something like crusher or hardening glyph on the front bar.
How you mixmatch is your thing.

But as a Magsorc you would have less problems in Vet Arenas. But thats my opinion.

JayJayIsSoJay

BSW + Master architect + mother ciannait (only use this build if u run puncturing sweep as ur spammable)
SPC + False god's + pale order
Mothers sorrow + Iceheart + False god's
Acuity + Master architect + anything that protects you( don't use this one if you don't know how to do rotation properly)

Mundus stone: Shadow or Lover, depends on how u allocate your cp

I usually run the 1st setup, it's pretty solid and works in all situations

Edit: Minor Slayer is just so good, so if u wanna have the max potential u have to get trial gear, buuuuuuuuuuut, u can always replace it with SPC, so: BSW + SPC + Pale order, that's the skeleton, play around enchantments and cp to see what fits your playstyle better

Zodiarkslayer

JayJayIsSoJay wrote: »

BSW + Master architect + mother ciannait (only use this build if u run puncturing sweep as ur spammable)
SPC + False god's + pale order
Mothers sorrow + Iceheart + False god's
Acuity + Master architect + anything that protects you( don't use this one if you don't know how to do rotation properly)

Mundus stone: Shadow or Lover, depends on how u allocate your cp

I usually run the 1st setup, it's pretty solid and works in all situations

Edit: Minor Slayer is just so good, so if u wanna have the max potential u have to get trial gear, buuuuuuuuuuut, u can always replace it with SPC, so: BSW + SPC + Pale order, that's the skeleton, play around enchantments and cp to see what fits your playstyle better

That is bad advice. If OP had these sets he wouldn't have said:

HankTwo wrote: »

Now, I've already seen that multiple sources recommend false gods devotion. However, unless the set is much better than the alternatives, I would like to avoid getting trial gear. So, what build would you guys recommend? I've already farmed ring of the pale order.

Right?

zvavi

Depending on group you need 3 things taken in count, sustain, damage, survivability. All these can be complemented by group (less so when tanks can't run symphony/spc anymore) rotation, food and gear.

Perfected false gods is an average level damage set (a bit lower than julianus) with a good sustain 5 piece (depending on how many adds there are, it could be better than Magus gift, or a bit worse than seducer. So in general it is a strong contender for sustain+damage set. And the reason it is so popular.

sustain:
If your plan is to get sustain through a set (which is not pfg), I would recommend running Magus gift.

Another path open to you incase you enjoy sweeps (I don't) is to run lightning staff frontbar (since more of your skills are aoe than st, so lightning is very good front bar if you use sweeps as spammable), and then heavy attack your enemy during the times he is off balance for massive sustain boost. It is not much of dps loss, and it might even be a dps gain specifically on lightning staff (since it is bugged with vMA staff getting 4 times the bonus every heavy attack, with off balance bonus you get massive deeps) and then run 2 damage sets. The big drawback though is that you will be melee.

After deciding your sustain gain, balance the remaining sustain by running either witch mother's potent brew or bi stat food, or run 6/0/1 or 7/0/0 instead of 5/1/1 (sustain gain from running more light armor is one of the less damage hurting ones, as long as you don't need to move magicka to hp)

damage:
Damage wise you will be running probably 3 jewelry with spell damage enchantments, a lot of magicka enchantments on armor, and a golden weapon. Generally it is a great base spell damage and max magicka for dealing a lot of damage, so u should remember to at least get a source of critical chance.

Options are:
running thief mundus with non crit sets.
Running 1 crit set with shadow mundus (medusa/mother's sorrow/mechanical acuity)

Other than that you can bring additional damage set (zaan, maw, different trial sets, war maiden, julianos etc etc) difference not that big so :shrug:

survivability:
Well this one you kinda got covered if you plan on ring of the pale order, but generally Templars have a nice survivability in the combination of purifying light+sweeps and a burst heal here and there. So I wouldn't run additional set for it, but that's just me.

Rotation wise, this one depends on you more than me. U can go meta, non meta, go wild, you are a free man.

Everest_Lionheart

zvavi wrote: »

Depending on group you need 3 things taken in count, sustain, damage, survivability. All these can be complemented by group (less so when tanks can't run symphony/spc anymore) rotation, food and gear.

Perfected false gods is an average level damage set (a bit lower than julianus) with a good sustain 5 piece (depending on how many adds there are, it could be better than Magus gift, or a bit worse than seducer. So in general it is a strong contender for sustain+damage set. And the reason it is so popular.

sustain:
If your plan is to get sustain through a set (which is not pfg), I would recommend running Magus gift.

Another path open to you incase you enjoy sweeps (I don't) is to run lightning staff frontbar (since more of your skills are aoe than st, so lightning is very good front bar if you use sweeps as spammable), and then heavy attack your enemy during the times he is off balance for massive sustain boost. It is not much of dps loss, and it might even be a dps gain specifically on lightning staff (since it is bugged with vMA staff getting 4 times the bonus every heavy attack, with off balance bonus you get massive deeps) and then run 2 damage sets. The big drawback though is that you will be melee.

After deciding your sustain gain, balance the remaining sustain by running either witch mother's potent brew or bi stat food, or run 6/0/1 or 7/0/0 instead of 5/1/1 (sustain gain from running more light armor is one of the less damage hurting ones, as long as you don't need to move magicka to hp)

damage:
Damage wise you will be running probably 3 jewelry with spell damage enchantments, a lot of magicka enchantments on armor, and a golden weapon. Generally it is a great base spell damage and max magicka for dealing a lot of damage, so u should remember to at least get a source of critical chance.

Options are:
running thief mundus with non crit sets.
Running 1 crit set with shadow mundus (medusa/mother's sorrow/mechanical acuity)

Other than that you can bring additional damage set (zaan, maw, different trial sets, war maiden, julianos etc etc) difference not that big so :shrug:

survivability:
Well this one you kinda got covered if you plan on ring of the pale order, but generally Templars have a nice survivability in the combination of purifying light+sweeps and a burst heal here and there. So I wouldn't run additional set for it, but that's just me.

Rotation wise, this one depends on you more than me. U can go meta, non meta, go wild, you are a free man.

I will add on to this as I run double lightning staves when I solo on magplar. I am running sweeps also. I run Mother’s sorrow and Julianos with 2x 1pc monster pieces zaan + slimecraw. I am very mobile when I fight but when I stand still it’s often to unload a ton of AOE’s and dots and when I need to get more rss I use one of two techniques to extend the fight while heavy attacking.

The first technique I call breathing. While heavy attacking with the lightning staff you back away and when the final tick of the channel hits you walk back forward while channeling sweeps. If your WoE is down you will get enough rss back to cast sweeps 2x and repeat or channel sweep and drop another wall or dot like vampire bane and repeat. Breathing out and in along a single line while keeping constant damage.

The second technique is basic kiting. If you can keep a reasonably tight circle to keep the enemy inside your dots while channeling your heavy attack you can hold it through 2 or 3 full sequences and charge back a huge chunk of rss to lay down all your dots and repeat again. You need to watch your health though if you are under a lot of pressure and make sure to heal yourself or mix a sweep in there to make sure you don’t die. I don’t carry a heal when I solo most of the time and rely on timing my sweeps around mechanics or kiting enemies into my aoe death circle while sweeping.

I’ve though of switching to overwhelming surge with MS as a means of sustain as well as an additional source of damage. But so far the setup I am using works well for most content. For soloing vet content you should grab icceheart monster set though. You still get critical chance but you will also get a nice “oh crap” shield that definitely helps you overcome some mistakes. I find iceheart is a bit of EZ mode though. You will still have to play the big mechanics but all of the little extra damage you take will pretty much be mitigated by you nearly permanent shield.

Drdeath20

HankTwo wrote: »

Hi guys,

After finishing vet vateshran on my PvP stam necro build, which was a huge pain with multiple wipes involved, I decided to finally create a dedicated PvE dd build. I'm mostly aiming at vet solo arenas and 3 dd + 1 tank 4-man vet dlc dungeons. For ease of use and great cleave damage I want to use my altmer magplar, but I would also have a fully leveled breton nightblade and dunmer sorc ready.

Now, I've already seen that multiple sources recommend false gods devotion. However, unless the set is much better than the alternatives, I would like to avoid getting trial gear. So, what build would you guys recommend? I've already farmed ring of the pale order.

Cheers,

Hank

Trial sets are much better than the alternative. Minor slayer is just too much power to not use.

fred4

I'm not an advanced PvEer - no trial experience - but have done vMA on multiple characters, one flawless. Whenever I put on Mother's Sorrow it feels lacklustre. What works for me currently is double lightning staff, Lich back bar, War Maiden front bar, heavy Trainee chest and Thrassian Stranglers. I don't really know why, because the crit isn't great, but the Infused lightning staff back bar with Berserker enchant plus War Maiden seems to work wonders, even when Thrassian is not procced. The spell damage peaks at a fairly constant 5,150 self-buffed when it is, plus War Maiden. Sweeps tooltip is 3.5K unbuffed (no Thrassian / Sorcery), about 5K buffed. Elemental Blockade keeps the back bar enchant up. In PUGs I've seen spell damage go up to 6,400. I'm not sure what group buff causes that. Magicka is 35K and I've got Grothdarr as well. Everything just melts.

This build is a bit too squishy for vMA, given that I have not memorised all the spawn points. I've only dipped my toes in vVateshran, but not with this build. Health at full Thrassian is down to 14K (from 20K with Citrus Fillet and all prismatic glyphs). One false move and you die. I completed vMA, but with many deaths. I actually use the stamina rune for stam sustain. Still one of my biggest problems is being CCd and then killed. It's not so much the health, I think it's my stamina management. It's an unfinished build. For now I'm just enjoying the damage. Solo farming normal dungeons is a blast and health is just fine for easy content.

HankTwo

Thank you guys for the input. Quick update: I went with war maiden + mothers sorrow + ring of the pale order + heavy trainee chest. Duo lightning staff and thief mundus. What can I say, both first try vet maelstrom and first try vet vateshran on the new build were both no death + no sigil runs. Sustain was a non-issue since I can just go for some heavy attacks when the off-balance procs from wall of shock. Overall both arenas felt incredible easy, so for anyone looking for a good solo magplar build I can very much recommend this. Since war maiden also works on all the magblade skills, the build should also work well on that class.

That being said, one last question: I already got the new perfected lightning staff and I was wondering if this is actually better than the maelstrom destro on the backbar for a pure solo build, since classes like magplar and magblade slot elemental drain anyway.

Ascarl

Sounds great. Would you mind showing you skill setup?

HankTwo

Ascarl wrote: »

Sounds great. Would you mind showing you skill setup?

This is the build right now:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=290226

If you have a maelstrom lightning staff you can use that on the backbar instead. It never dropped for me, thats why I'm not using it myself. Alternatively, maybe the new vate destro would also be a good backbar weapon, though I haven't tested it yet.

Ascarl

Thank you, I will give it a try. I have maelstrom staff but not vate yet.