I don't want to play capture the flag or chaos ball.

cheesefome

You realize that some of us don't like the other modes?

Why are you forcing people to play modes we personally don't enjoy, it was plenty active you didn't have to them all the modes into 1 queue.

One of the reasons I hate these modes is because people purposely build into these heavy tanky builds where you can't even kill them, dps classes are inferior in capture the flag, chaos ball. Also, all i want to do is play pvp and battle against other players not run around in circles looking for a ball or capturing flags. My MAIN reason I dont play cyrodil/other modes besides deathmatch is because most of the time is spend running around. That is not my definition of fun.

Please for the love of variety and the reason I play ESO(deathmatch), please, i beg you guys, please, pleaaaaase seperate the modes, at least for solo play. I just want to have my favorite part of the game returned to me, please guys...

BG's did not require any changes, it was perfect just the way it was. Why did you guys all of the sudden decide to make this change? I don't recall anyone demanding it or complaining about the lack of activity. I can understand if it was because of lack of activity but BG's has been mega active since i started to play. Longest queue times are around 10 mins.

Vevvev

Did they really get rid of the specific match queues? I can't check it right now but if that's true then that's a problem.

Swomp23

*Sighs in Cyberpunk delay*

Swomp23

They said in the PTS patch notes that they removed specific match queues because of the team vs solo queues implemented in 28, splitting population in half.

Starlight_Whisper

I don want to play death match if we are venting here.

P.S chaos ball isn't fun

OlumoGarbag

Luckily all game modes are deathmatch if you que for premade. You just dont get points for kills.

Waffennacht

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

Taleof2Cities

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

If only there was a way six (6) weeks ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

*Also sighs in Cyberpunk delay*

cheesefome

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

Sorry, I forgot to separate my already busy schedule to check in on the development of the game. How dare I.

VaranisArano

ZOS is betting that most players are less unhappy getting to play a Battleground mode they don't like in a decent amount of time than they would be at taking a very long time to get a Battleground mode they do like in their specific grouped/non-grouped queue.

I warned them that achievement and style pages hunters are likely to be very disappointed, but we'll see how the average Battlegrounds player thinks as we go.

Taleof2Cities

cheesefome wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

Sorry, I forgot to separate my already busy schedule to check in on the development of the game. How dare I.

Not important then they say ...

Starlight_Whisper

I only like flag games 😑

cheesefome

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

cheesefome wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

Sorry, I forgot to separate my already busy schedule to check in on the development of the game. How dare I.

Not important then they say ...

Everyone is not just on the computer all day long wondering what their every move is. I get it if you got no job or dont have priorities or whatever your case may be. Some of us barely have time to play. So stop acting like we all should be up to date with every single detail the developers decide to make. Your comment is absurd.

craybest

I very much prefer these new modes. Is the issue that you can't queue separately? How do other he's usually handle that?

ccfeeling

You can just focus to kill the players even you are in non DM mode

Astrid

Those “tanky” builds would then be utterly useless in the Deathmatch they’ve randomly queued for even though they’ve specifically built for chaos ball and capture the relic. It’s a two way street so we can play with our friends again in group play, i’d happily sit through whatever game mode as long as I have the option to queue with my friends.

If the queue is filtered between solo and group and then filtered further by specific game modes your wait time is going to be through the roof in comparison. So now it’s two options - solo or group. Much better imo as you can’t “build” for anything anymore, you get what you’re given.

VaranisArano

cheesefome wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

cheesefome wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

Sorry, I forgot to separate my already busy schedule to check in on the development of the game. How dare I.

Not important then they say ...

Everyone is not just on the computer all day long wondering what their every move is. I get it if you got no job or dont have priorities or whatever your case may be. Some of us barely have time to play. So stop acting like we all should be up to date with every single detail the developers decide to make. Your comment is absurd.

I'd still recommend making the time to read the first set of PTS patch notes for the new update sometime in the five or six weeks of the PTS. You won't catch every detail that way, but its a pretty good way to get a sweeping overview of the coming changes while they aren't locked in on the Live servers. Most stuff doesn't change much from PTS to Live. And hopefully, it doesn't take much time for the info you get!

In the case of Battlegrounds, the PTS had effectively the same conditions as the Live servers, which are described as follows. I've bolded the answer to your thread's question.

"Battlegrounds Updates
In this update, we are testing the re-addition of group queuing to Battlegrounds, where players of group sizes up to 4 can join the queue together and be placed on the same team. Solo players can join this queue, or they can join the solo queue to be matched exclusively with other solo players. With this change, we have also removed specific game types to help promote overall queue health. We’ve also made additional improvements to Battleground matchmaking to help promote better long-term match making. "

idk

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

If only there was a way six (6) weeks ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

So true.

It is a little late to comment now since that ship has sailed.

I think it was a good change though. Even more so with group BGs as it does not permit players to form groups for specific playstyles. Objective-based instanced PvP offers a greater challenge anyhow.

cheesefome

Astrid wrote: »

Those “tanky” builds would then be utterly useless in the Deathmatch they’ve randomly queued for even though they’ve specifically built for chaos ball and capture the relic. It’s a two way street so we can play with our friends again in group play, i’d happily sit through whatever game mode as long as I have the option to queue with my friends.

If the queue is filtered between solo and group and then filtered further by specific game modes your wait time is going to be through the roof in comparison. So now it’s two options - solo or group. Much better imo as you can’t “build” for anything anymore, you get what you’re given.

There are addons that let you hotkey your builds for specific scenarios.

cheesefome

VaranisArano wrote: »

cheesefome wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

cheesefome wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

Sorry, I forgot to separate my already busy schedule to check in on the development of the game. How dare I.

Not important then they say ...

Everyone is not just on the computer all day long wondering what their every move is. I get it if you got no job or dont have priorities or whatever your case may be. Some of us barely have time to play. So stop acting like we all should be up to date with every single detail the developers decide to make. Your comment is absurd.

I'd still recommend making the time to read the first set of PTS patch notes for the new update sometime in the five or six weeks of the PTS. You won't catch every detail that way, but its a pretty good way to get a sweeping overview of the coming changes while they aren't locked in on the Live servers. Most stuff doesn't change much from PTS to Live. And hopefully, it doesn't take much time for the info you get!

In the case of Battlegrounds, the PTS had effectively the same conditions as the Live servers, which are described as follows. I've bolded the answer to your thread's question.

"Battlegrounds Updates
In this update, we are testing the re-addition of group queuing to Battlegrounds, where players of group sizes up to 4 can join the queue together and be placed on the same team. Solo players can join this queue, or they can join the solo queue to be matched exclusively with other solo players. With this change, we have also removed specific game types to help promote overall queue health. We’ve also made additional improvements to Battleground matchmaking to help promote better long-term match making. "

There was never an issue with q time so im not sure why they even bothered with changing what was already fine, not for me anyway.

It's really stupid that we are forced to play a mode we dont want to play, honestly we should be able to choose what mode we want to play not let RNG choose one for us. I understand they want faster q times but q times were absolutely not a problem. Why try to fix something that isn't broken. They should have been directing those resources on other more important matters like bugs and the current dramatic lag issues.

Sometimes i think developers are just bored and decide to change things at random for reasons that make no sense like the one you linked. Surprised more people aren't against this change. Why would anyone want to waste their little hobby time on playing a map/mode they don't enjoy. What a huge waste of time. At this point playing ESO is pointless since the only reason i played was for BG's.


Only time will tell how long i can tolerate these changes. Hopefully I can adapt but i doubt it as I could care less about conquering flags or chasing someone around the map with 30k resist and an aoe aura that gets triggered by a proc set.

nqvarihs

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If only there was a way six (6) weeks ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

*Also sighs in Cyberpunk delay*

[snip] you would have seen there was feedback on this on the very post where zos announced it and on the pts sub-category.

and let's be honest for 2 seconds here.

first, removing the ability to queue for a specific gamemode (or 2) is, to put it lightly, extremely stupid. why are we getting options taken away instead of new qol? who asked for this? can you please link threads/posts with such feedback?

second, zos is very, very stubborn. just compare the difference between every .0 and .4/.5 patch notes and you'll see that almost everything goes live, including bugs and parts that received negative feedback. and honestly, there are so many bad things in the markath patch and zos listens so little that nobody wants to bother anymore. might as well let it go live and hope people complain enough for changes or fix within the month or in the next patch.

and finally: the excuse of 'low population' is frankly pathetic. maybe if zos stopped ruining bgs there would be people playing. here is a short list of the changes made to battlegrounds since elsweyr, aside from bug fixes which come after 6+ months:
- changed some of the maps
- removed the ability to queue as a group
- reintroduced it (but bugged) but removed the ability to choose the gamemode.
- (bg that didnt fill for 2 patches in scalebreaker/dragonhold)
- (no nameplates for players that join after you for 3+ months)
- (teleporters work half the time)
- (fresh new! crashes and premades that cant get in the same bg)

how about adding qol? why cant we choose the map? custom lobbies? better rewards? (literally just +2k ap or new sets or guaranteed transmute or the 1k gold thing or anything) proper mmr? actual leaderboards? new map? cp/no-cp? bug fixes before the next patch? anything?

[snip]

[edited for baiting/bashing]

cheesefome

idk wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

If only there was a way six (6) weeks ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

So true.

It is a little late to comment now since that ship has sailed.

I think it was a good change though. Even more so with group BGs as it does not permit players to form groups for specific playstyles. Objective-based instanced PvP offers a greater challenge anyhow.

Do you guys not use addons or something?

Literally everyone uses addons so they adapt their builds accordingly, you have 1 min before match starts(ofc unless you are unlucky and join a BG that had already started) which is plenty of time to push 1 button. These addons allow you to switch between sets at a push of a button, literally.

idk

cheesefome wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

If only there was a way six (6) weeks ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

So true.

It is a little late to comment now since that ship has sailed.

I think it was a good change though. Even more so with group BGs as it does not permit players to form groups for specific playstyles. Objective-based instanced PvP offers a greater challenge anyhow.

Do you guys not use addons or something?

Literally everyone uses addons so they adapt their builds accordingly, you have 1 min before match starts(ofc unless you are unlucky and join a BG that had already started) which is plenty of time to push 1 button. These addons allow you to switch between sets at a push of a button, literally.

I am very well aware of add-ons. It still requires more PvP skill to play objective-based PvP.

Aliyavana

what? there are other game modes? every game mode is death match, esp now that other game modes are forced upon us once you think about it.

cheesefome

idk wrote: »

cheesefome wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

If only there was a way a month ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

If only there was a way six (6) weeks ago to see this coming and had an opportunity then to express my opinions....

So true.

It is a little late to comment now since that ship has sailed.

I think it was a good change though. Even more so with group BGs as it does not permit players to form groups for specific playstyles. Objective-based instanced PvP offers a greater challenge anyhow.

Do you guys not use addons or something?

Literally everyone uses addons so they adapt their builds accordingly, you have 1 min before match starts(ofc unless you are unlucky and join a BG that had already started) which is plenty of time to push 1 button. These addons allow you to switch between sets at a push of a button, literally.

I am very well aware of add-ons. It still requires more PvP skill to play objective-based PvP.

[snip] All you donis run around avoiding fights to capture flags, and the other chaos ball mode is basically a 1vslobby mode. You are seriously throwing smoke if you think those modes take more skill than a deathmatch. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Jeremy

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

I don want to play death match if we are venting here.

P.S chaos ball isn't fun

Those are the two I don't particularly care for also. But if it means faster solo queues I can live with it.

Jeremy

Astrid wrote: »

Those “tanky” builds would then be utterly useless in the Deathmatch they’ve randomly queued for even though they’ve specifically built for chaos ball and capture the relic. It’s a two way street so we can play with our friends again in group play, i’d happily sit through whatever game mode as long as I have the option to queue with my friends.

If the queue is filtered between solo and group and then filtered further by specific game modes your wait time is going to be through the roof in comparison. So now it’s two options - solo or group. Much better imo as you can’t “build” for anything anymore, you get what you’re given.

In my opinion tank builds perform best in the land grab ones. I think speed builds are the best for chaos and capture the relic. I agree they're not great in death match, but I think calling them useless might be a bit too strong. lol

Thoragaal

cheesefome wrote: »

You realize that some of us don't like the other modes?

Why are you forcing people to play modes we personally don't enjoy, it was plenty active you didn't have to them all the modes into 1 queue.

One of the reasons I hate these modes is because people purposely build into these heavy tanky builds where you can't even kill them, dps classes are inferior in capture the flag, chaos ball. Also, all i want to do is play pvp and battle against other players not run around in circles looking for a ball or capturing flags. My MAIN reason I dont play cyrodil/other modes besides deathmatch is because most of the time is spend running around. That is not my definition of fun.

Please for the love of variety and the reason I play ESO(deathmatch), please, i beg you guys, please, pleaaaaase seperate the modes, at least for solo play. I just want to have my favorite part of the game returned to me, please guys...

BG's did not require any changes, it was perfect just the way it was. Why did you guys all of the sudden decide to make this change? I don't recall anyone demanding it or complaining about the lack of activity. I can understand if it was because of lack of activity but BG's has been mega active since i started to play. Longest queue times are around 10 mins.

I'll just try to keep it short.
When they removed the group queue a lot of people got upset and felt like they couldn't enjoy BGs anymore.
Some time after that, Rich Lambert during a twitch stream, said they didn't see any increase in player activity in BGs due to the removal of group queues. He also mentioned that splitting solo and group queues wouldn't be a feasible solution, due to the low BG population overall (it would be too difficult getting a match, basically).
Because a lot of people, initially at least, complained about the removal of the group queue, but ZOS couldn't split the queue (due to low numbers), they went for a middle road; you can't pick and chose what mode you play in, but you can queue solo or as a group.

BraidasNM

Thoragaal wrote: »

cheesefome wrote: »

You realize that some of us don't like the other modes?

Why are you forcing people to play modes we personally don't enjoy, it was plenty active you didn't have to them all the modes into 1 queue.

One of the reasons I hate these modes is because people purposely build into these heavy tanky builds where you can't even kill them, dps classes are inferior in capture the flag, chaos ball. Also, all i want to do is play pvp and battle against other players not run around in circles looking for a ball or capturing flags. My MAIN reason I dont play cyrodil/other modes besides deathmatch is because most of the time is spend running around. That is not my definition of fun.

Please for the love of variety and the reason I play ESO(deathmatch), please, i beg you guys, please, pleaaaaase seperate the modes, at least for solo play. I just want to have my favorite part of the game returned to me, please guys...

BG's did not require any changes, it was perfect just the way it was. Why did you guys all of the sudden decide to make this change? I don't recall anyone demanding it or complaining about the lack of activity. I can understand if it was because of lack of activity but BG's has been mega active since i started to play. Longest queue times are around 10 mins.

I'll just try to keep it short.
When they removed the group queue a lot of people got upset and felt like they couldn't enjoy BGs anymore.
Some time after that, Rich Lambert during a twitch stream, said they didn't see any increase in player activity in BGs due to the removal of group queues. He also mentioned that splitting solo and group queues wouldn't be a feasible solution, due to the low BG population overall (it would be too difficult getting a match, basically).
Because a lot of people, initially at least, complained about the removal of the group queue, but ZOS couldn't split the queue (due to low numbers), they went for a middle road; you can't pick and chose what mode you play in, but you can queue solo or as a group.

they should just remove or rework these modes then. they just suck. a few ppl like them im sure but the majority do not. you can see that from the leaderboards before this patch

Thoragaal

BraidasNM wrote: »

Thoragaal wrote: »

cheesefome wrote: »

You realize that some of us don't like the other modes?

Why are you forcing people to play modes we personally don't enjoy, it was plenty active you didn't have to them all the modes into 1 queue.

One of the reasons I hate these modes is because people purposely build into these heavy tanky builds where you can't even kill them, dps classes are inferior in capture the flag, chaos ball. Also, all i want to do is play pvp and battle against other players not run around in circles looking for a ball or capturing flags. My MAIN reason I dont play cyrodil/other modes besides deathmatch is because most of the time is spend running around. That is not my definition of fun.

Please for the love of variety and the reason I play ESO(deathmatch), please, i beg you guys, please, pleaaaaase seperate the modes, at least for solo play. I just want to have my favorite part of the game returned to me, please guys...

BG's did not require any changes, it was perfect just the way it was. Why did you guys all of the sudden decide to make this change? I don't recall anyone demanding it or complaining about the lack of activity. I can understand if it was because of lack of activity but BG's has been mega active since i started to play. Longest queue times are around 10 mins.

I'll just try to keep it short.
When they removed the group queue a lot of people got upset and felt like they couldn't enjoy BGs anymore.
Some time after that, Rich Lambert during a twitch stream, said they didn't see any increase in player activity in BGs due to the removal of group queues. He also mentioned that splitting solo and group queues wouldn't be a feasible solution, due to the low BG population overall (it would be too difficult getting a match, basically).
Because a lot of people, initially at least, complained about the removal of the group queue, but ZOS couldn't split the queue (due to low numbers), they went for a middle road; you can't pick and chose what mode you play in, but you can queue solo or as a group.

they should just remove or rework these modes then. they just suck. a few ppl like them im sure but the majority do not. you can see that from the leaderboards before this patch

Yeah, personally I wouldn't mind if they removed them. For someone that's played CTF (capture the flag) since early Quake 1 days and competed in Quake 2 CTF tournament and other CTF oriended games since then, I must say I generally like CTF. But, the CTF-type here in ESO makes me wonder what they were thinking. And chaosball is just horrible imo.

Urzigurumash

BraidasNM wrote: »

they should just remove or rework these modes then. they just suck. a few ppl like them im sure but the majority do not. you can see that from the leaderboards before this patch

I enjoy all modes, and while I agree Death Match seems to be the most popular, it's difficult to get the sort of scores in Objective Modes you can get in DM, since people who play the objectives well will shut the match down before anybody has a very high score. A perfect 50 tick match of Chaosball or 5 run Relic match only nets you about 3k.

Anyhow overall my thought is clearly the BGs queue is a long work in progress. At least we don't have to hit accept 50 times in a row.

Above anything else though, above group queues, specific mode queues, proc set balance, anything: I want all my team mates to have health bars. Every other consideration is miniscule compared to this, for me.