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can we get an aoe taunt?
PvXGamer
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Give tanks one aoe taunt. Put it on a 20-30 second cooldown and give it a 10-12 meter range.
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO is built for no AoE taunt. Mobs, how dangerous they are, their amount, etc etc, are balanced for no AoE taunt. While it might be more comfortable in some fights, it is definitely not something I would like in game, because I like the current combat system, and adding aoe taunt, will mean future mechanics that take it in count, forcing me to waste a bar space on it.26 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭This would also absolutely fix the Tanking Frost Staff Debacle.
1. Change Power Bash skill in the S&B skill line to an AoE ability (Proc Crushed Enchant)
2. Add to skill AoE Taunt and while slotted blocking cost Magicka.4 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »This would also absolutely fix the Tanking Frost Staff Debacle.
1. Change Power Bash skill in the S&B skill line to an AoE ability (Proc Crushed Enchant)
2. Add to skill AoE Taunt and while slotted blocking cost Magicka.
1. With enchantments being only half of their strength on 1h weapons that change will keep double s/b tanks inferior.
2.ESO is built for no AoE taunt. Mobs, how dangerous they are, their amount, etc etc, are balanced for no AoE taunt. While it might be more comfortable in some fights, it is definitely not something I would like in game, because I like the current combat system, and adding aoe taunt, will mean future mechanics that take it in count, forcing me to waste a bar space on it.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. All group content in ESO has been tanked successfully a great many times without an AoE taunt. This is because the game was designed not to need one. For players new to tanking in ESO it is better they learn to tank correctly in ESO than to rely on a crutch and not learn to tank properly.
2. Outside of recent tests in Cyrdodiil, ESO is built on not having a cooldown on skills. The game is build on resource management.
In most MMORPGs, a tanks job is to tank the priority targets, not everything. Those are targets that are the most threatening. ESO is no different.21 -
JB_den✭✭✭I guess I'm divided on this. I like the idea of aoe taunt, but not a stand alone ability as it would be a waste of space on our bar. I'd rather see a passive that adds additional threat generation to all aoe/cone attack damage.2
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sharquez✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doesn't that taunting gap-close set from banished cells aoe taunt with stampede/pounce/templar charge?At least 3 of each class. PVPing Since IC.4 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doesn't that taunting gap-close set from banished cells aoe taunt with stampede/pounce/templar charge?
Tormentor, yes, I've use it on my Templar Tank for a while, very fun and comfy.
But that all, I doubt ppl want to wast a 5pc bonus for this.[ PC EU ]
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Kory✭✭✭✭I would like an AOE taunt! It's not needed at all if DPS is good, but an aoe taunt can really bail out lower dps players.
Also sometimes I'll notice dps player running around with agro, and most of the time I can't and won't chase you around so I can taunt, but some sort of aoe taunt could help that situation too.
Perhaps add AOE taunt to Frozen Gate (the Warden skill), and have multiple enemies teleported to me, because that skill is knocking on useless in my opinion.2 -
Ackwalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is kind of an AOE soft taunt of about 3 seconds. As long as the tank gets the first damage AOE (I like caltrops) those hit by it will target the tank. If only the DPS could wait a second or 2 for the tank to use an AOE.4 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭I tank on a necro or dk and they both have an AoE CC. For them there is just no reason for an AoE taunt. Maybe if it was a class skill for a templar, that has no beneficial class tanking ability, i might be in favor of it. It seems like the intent was to have DDs to do more than just DPS parse.
The tank is suppose to prioritize targets just as the DDs and healer are too. Take the last couple trash mobs on fang lair. Its meant to keep every member busy, it is the make it or break it moment for a No Death Run. With an world skill that is an AoE taunt it would trivialize those kind of situations.2 -
CrashTest✭✭✭✭✭
✭The Tormentor set is supposed to AoE taunt, but I haven't tested it yet.
As for an actual AoE skill, it's not needed. ESO tanking is fine without it if you know how to manage adds.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I tank on a necro or dk and they both have an AoE CC. For them there is just no reason for an AoE taunt. Maybe if it was a class skill for a templar, that has no beneficial class tanking ability, i might be in favor of it. It seems like the intent was to have DDs to do more than just DPS parse.
The tank is suppose to prioritize targets just as the DDs and healer are too. Take the last couple trash mobs on fang lair. Its meant to keep every member busy, it is the make it or break it moment for a No Death Run. With an world skill that is an AoE taunt it would trivialize those kind of situations.
I have tanked with all classes. Early on I preferred to tank on a Templar and NB and in neither case did I find a need for an AoE taunt. I
In trials, the most challenging content in the game, the use of an AoE taunt would cause serious issues. As I stated earlier, it is best for players new to tanking learn to tank correctly instead of relying on the crutch of an AoE taunt.3 -
Kory✭✭✭✭I tank on a necro or dk and they both have an AoE CC. For them there is just no reason for an AoE taunt. Maybe if it was a class skill for a templar, that has no beneficial class tanking ability, i might be in favor of it. It seems like the intent was to have DDs to do more than just DPS parse.
The tank is suppose to prioritize targets just as the DDs and healer are too. Take the last couple trash mobs on fang lair. Its meant to keep every member busy, it is the make it or break it moment for a No Death Run. With an world skill that is an AoE taunt it would trivialize those kind of situations.
I have tanked with all classes. Early on I preferred to tank on a Templar and NB and in neither case did I find a need for an AoE taunt. I
In trials, the most challenging content in the game, the use of an AoE taunt would cause serious issues. As I stated earlier, it is best for players new to tanking learn to tank correctly instead of relying on the crutch of an AoE taunt.
AOE taunt could be useful more or less so in varying situations. As you can imagine as such an experienced Tank...0 -
caperb✭✭✭✭✭
✭NO, BIG NO.
Please stop dumbing down this game
PvP is already ruined with cast time on ultimates, proc sets, carry sets/skills and now the cooldowns.
The combat system overall suffers from measures to make it easier all the time.
Don't ruin dungeons as well now...
Edit: tanks don't need an AoE taunt in eso. Decent tanks in a decent group won't even see the difference in most content. But switching single target taunt for AoE taunt, that destroys the system the dungeons are build around.
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[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on October 23, 2020 1:20PM4 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭at the very least, as stated above, this game could use added threat generation off tanking abilities. at least some of them.
it amazes me this dichotomy of "tank mast tank only dangerous targets (in other MMO's tanks actualy hold ALL the targets) while also holding everything in place so that DPS could AoE it down" how do you have both? especially when tank damage is so low, your dps needs to be REALLY low not to pull off tank. naturally if dps is high enough, mobs that were chained do not have a chance to scatter before they die, however, most dps are somewhere in between and that creates situations that are far to stressful on everyone and prolong the encounters more then necessary.
tanks could really use extra threat generation other then couple of single target taunts.dirty worthless casual.
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Eiregirl✭✭✭An AOE taunt without major changes to dungeons and trials would simply ruin this game. It would make dungeons and trials even more trivial than they already are.
As many people have said every time this is brought up. The game was not designed to have any class with an AOE taunt. The tanks are suppose to taunt the bosses and the most dangerous mobs. The dps are suppose to mow down the trash and the healers heal and maybe do a little dps or tanking on the side
If tanking in ESO is not to your liking there is always world of warcraft and other games that might be a better fit or just go with the flow of ESO.3 -
Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People want to get rid of weaving and animation cancelling, global auction house aoe taunt and etc because other mmos have it. Then why dont you go back to Wow5 -
Kory✭✭✭✭While I don't care much either way, as I see my Tanking as really good so far, I feel like some of you are purposely and fraudulently conflating other legit undesirable changes with what is being discussed. Understandable from a argumentative standpoint, but baseless in any other way.
AOE taunt would be helpful for various situations, more or less so depending on content, groups, and situations much like many other skills/abilities. Again not really *needed with high dps, but otherwise the way I see it, I would use an AOE taunt to bail out damage dealers because sometimes the ads are actually the main problem. All of the content can be done without an AOE taunt, but it would be unquestionably useful situationally.
Not once was there mentioned proc sets, animation canceling, pvp, other MMOs, wanting everything to be easy, or some sort of learning curve of Tanking.1 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭There already are AOE taunts. And the game does not need more.
Use them.
Skill like AOE taunt is not needed.
And it is cheating for the game like this.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. With enchantments being only half of their strength on 1h weapons that change will keep double s/b tanks inferior.
This continues to be an issue, regardless of other factors.
The decision appears to have been made to deal with dual wield DPS, but it hurt tanks. It also hurt Dual Wield DPS far more severely than (probably) intended, because it effectively nerfed their enchants by 75%. They lost the off-hand enchant, and their enchant was halved.
Now, obviously, we've adapted, but it was still an issue that feels like it might have been better solved by simply blocking weapon enchantments from stacking with themselves.0 -
Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭Please not! They are already making this game easier and easier every update. Tanking can be lots of fun in Eso and it would be completely ruined by just entering a room, press taunt-all button and block until your DDs have cleared everything.
Eso's special combat system makes it interesting. Why are people calling for AOE taunts, stop animation cancelling, only one skill bar etc.?
If you want to play a simple no-brainer game, please just play something else, but stop ruining this game!1 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have never really considered the trash mobs in dungeons big enough to feel a need to use an AOE taunt, don't know about trials I don't really bother with them.
That and there are at least a few dungeon boss fights with multiple bosses, that you need to keep apart can you imagine having a new tank, during March of Sacrifices with that 3 boss fight spamming their new shiny AOE taunt and wondering why the group keeps wiping, or the ogre bosses in Scalecaller peak probably others but those two spring to mind.
If they added an AOE taunt I would be more likely to use it farming mobs for XP in overland/public dungeons etc..0 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I heard there is already a way for aoe taunt
I think you need a tamplar and the tormentor set0 -
mobicera✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
Its not required, the game isn't designed that way.
And you want the aoe taunt to be longer than single?
How about you learn to tank instead.1 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only acceptable form of aoe taunt would be an ultimate ability (new undaunted ultimate perhaps). Other than that the game doesn't need it as long as the tank taunts priority enemies (enemies that hit hard/one shots and bosses). Trash mobs can be locked down and even without locking them down they are not worth taunting.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Naftal✭✭✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »This would also absolutely fix the Tanking Frost Staff Debacle.
1. Change Power Bash skill in the S&B skill line to an AoE ability (Proc Crushed Enchant)
2. Add to skill AoE Taunt and while slotted blocking cost Magicka.
As long as #2 is for SnB skill line. I don't want ZoS to ruin ice staff blocking for me by forcing to slot an ability I don't want to use.0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭...if it gives the Tank Minor Fracture, Breach and Defile when used. Otherwise it would be too easy.Give tanks one aoe taunt. Put it on a 20-30 second cooldown and give it a 10-12 meter range.
Why?
Where do you feel you need an AoE taunt?
Then they obviously don't care about it enough.
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