So the thing about stamplars...

Hoolielulu

I hear that templars are getting more nerfs. I've run a stamplar since I started playing almost four years ago and I can't do it anymore and now I have no idea what to do. I've played around with other classes/races in the past but nothing stuck. I want to run around and deal damage in pve and not feel so nervous and useless in group content. Suggestions?

mairwen85

Hoolielulu wrote: »

I hear that templars are getting more nerfs. I've run a stamplar since I started playing almost four years ago and I can't do it anymore and now I have no idea what to do. I've played around with other classes/races in the past but nothing stuck. I want to run around and deal damage in pve and not feel so nervous and useless in group content. Suggestions?

Let's start with the nerfs that you think will make it unplayable. Have you been on PTS to test out any of those assumptions yet?

• Aedric Spear
  • Spear Shards: Fixed an issue where the synergy from this ability could remove other synergies after being consumed.
  • Sun Shield
    • Blazing Shield (morph): Fixed an issue where this ability’s explosion visuals would multiply in intensity with the number of enemies hit, causing your screen to experience level 7 earthquakes and your eyes to be blinded with the brilliance of Meridia. The explosions will now always appear as well, regardless if you dealt damage.
• Restoring Light
  
  • Healing Ritual
    • Ritual of Rebirth (morph): Fixed an issue where this heal was targeting the ally furthest from you within its range, rather than prioritizing allies who need the heal.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/546419/pts-patch-notes-v6-2-0#latest

JanTanhide

Well, unfortunately that is what ZOS does. It goes in cycles. I started out 6 years ago on a Stamina DK, then Mag DK, then Mag Templar (it was nerfed into Oblivion so it was parked for almost 2 years) then Stam Sorc and Mag Sorc. Got around to playing a Nightblade but really sucked at it, both Stam and Mag. Then Mag and Stam Warden and then Mag and Stam Necro. I still have all my characters and play whatever suits me for the time being.

Currently my main DPS is a Stamina Templar and it does quite a bit of damage atm. I have not looked to see what nerfs are coming down the Pike for Templars but we just had some nerfs last patch or two. Ugh. Oh, and I am talking PVE. The only time I play PVP is when someone wants to kill me. LOL.

Mag and Stam Sorc are easy and fun to play atm. Especially Mag Sorc for me. I can solo vet dungeons on it that have the mechanics for solo play. Can also currently solo Vet dungeons on my Stam Templar but if what you are saying comes to be I don't know.

Find new gear sets to improve DPS if possible if you wish to keep your Stamina Templar running strong as it is now.

Good luck!

Hoolielulu

mairwen85 wrote: »

Hoolielulu wrote: »

I hear that templars are getting more nerfs. I've run a stamplar since I started playing almost four years ago and I can't do it anymore and now I have no idea what to do. I've played around with other classes/races in the past but nothing stuck. I want to run around and deal damage in pve and not feel so nervous and useless in group content. Suggestions?

Let's start with the nerfs that you think will make it unplayable. Have you been on PTS to test out any of those assumptions yet?

• Aedric Spear
  • Spear Shards: Fixed an issue where the synergy from this ability could remove other synergies after being consumed.
  • Sun Shield
    • Blazing Shield (morph): Fixed an issue where this ability’s explosion visuals would multiply in intensity with the number of enemies hit, causing your screen to experience level 7 earthquakes and your eyes to be blinded with the brilliance of Meridia. The explosions will now always appear as well, regardless if you dealt damage.
• Restoring Light
  
  • Healing Ritual
    • Ritual of Rebirth (morph): Fixed an issue where this heal was targeting the ally furthest from you within its range, rather than prioritizing allies who need the heal.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/546419/pts-patch-notes-v6-2-0#latest

I haven't tried it myself, no. I've been listening to other people...which yeah, not always the best route. But I'm just so tired. i want to have fun again with a build I feel confident with.

Husan

The only thing stamplar has going for it is the sheer amount of damage it can do with a simple rotation. People see 100k dummy DPS and think "well this class certainly cannot be underpowered. Look! It does 100k DPS!", not even considering all the other aspects of the game (tanking being a nice example here, since templar has now for a long time been considered the worst tanking class, both mag and stam: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/538643/worst-class-for-tank/p1).

I blame jabs for it. I went into PTS, put on 5 advancing yokeda, 5 relequen and selenes, ate some buff food and started parsing. No rotation, no changes to gear (no bloodthirsty on rings, don't even know the traits of weapons), nord race, and I even forgot to take a mundus! I parsed for 70k! Imagine what you can do by minmaxing and having a proper rotation and a proper player behind the keyboard! Jabs are op and need to be nerfed to make templar great again. Read more about it here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/549108/nerf-jabs-to-make-templar-great-again-warning-sarcasm-inside

mairwen85

Hoolielulu wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Hoolielulu wrote: »

I hear that templars are getting more nerfs. I've run a stamplar since I started playing almost four years ago and I can't do it anymore and now I have no idea what to do. I've played around with other classes/races in the past but nothing stuck. I want to run around and deal damage in pve and not feel so nervous and useless in group content. Suggestions?

Let's start with the nerfs that you think will make it unplayable. Have you been on PTS to test out any of those assumptions yet?

• Aedric Spear
  • Spear Shards: Fixed an issue where the synergy from this ability could remove other synergies after being consumed.
  • Sun Shield
    • Blazing Shield (morph): Fixed an issue where this ability’s explosion visuals would multiply in intensity with the number of enemies hit, causing your screen to experience level 7 earthquakes and your eyes to be blinded with the brilliance of Meridia. The explosions will now always appear as well, regardless if you dealt damage.
• Restoring Light
  
  • Healing Ritual
    • Ritual of Rebirth (morph): Fixed an issue where this heal was targeting the ally furthest from you within its range, rather than prioritizing allies who need the heal.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/546419/pts-patch-notes-v6-2-0#latest

I haven't tried it myself, no. I've been listening to other people...which yeah, not always the best route. But I'm just so tired. i want to have fun again with a build I feel confident with.

I get you. I love my templars, magplar, stamplar, tankplar and healplar. The class kit is missing some choice tools native to other classes, but we're not in the worst spot wrt new nerfs incoming next patch. Unlike other posters who want to take away the one thing stamplar specifically has left, I believe that instead other classes should have their in-class spammable improved and missing tools should be added across the board to bring all base classes in line with the newer ones. The problem with jabs is people think somehow it's OP, when the truth is its just a class specific spammable that is used in place of a weapon line equivalent. So should rapid strikes similarly be nerfed? Or should classes without an in-class spammable just be given one on par with jabs? Wrongly defined equivalence is the problem tbqh.

OOJIMMY

Hoolielulu wrote: »

I hear that templars are getting more nerfs. I've run a stamplar since I started playing almost four years ago and I can't do it anymore and now I have no idea what to do. I've played around with other classes/races in the past but nothing stuck. I want to run around and deal damage in pve and not feel so nervous and useless in group content. Suggestions?

If you've played stamplar since the beginning this shouldn't be new to you. Remember 3 or 4 years ago when stamplar was considered the worst class and magplar was considered the best? When we kept getting blanket nerfed with magical to try to get them in line?

MKintr

The game is widely unbalanced and the best class always behind a paywall (warden and necro). As I don't want to invest all the time and effort of years in a new main or spend a gazillion of expensive crowns just for skill lines and shards, with no class change token in sight and with the situation for stamplars only getting worse, I rather quit the game completely instead of being annoyed for getting disadvantaged all the time and being blocked out of the hardest content. This game takes way to much time and there are better things to do, then grind yourself to death and getting psychologically manipulated into an addiction.

Donny_Vito

I've been enjoying my StamPlar since Greymoor, but I imagine I'll adjust to one of my different classes/builds like I've done so many times before. To find the silver lining... my alt characters typically don't gather dust for too many patches. But it does sound like you enjoy this one specific class, so it might hit you harder than normal. I simply like to "DPS" so whatever does that best for me is what I pick for the patch, or whatever my progression group tells me.

Ringing_Nirnroot

I’m still remaining on my stamplar no matter what

grannas211

Templar just not really in a good place RN.

Kurat

How is stamplar not good? Its easiest dps to play, just spam jabs and get 90k lmao. Isn't it enough?

Raideen

Surprised that no one has touched on this, but perhaps the nerfs everyone is talking about is due to AOE cooldowns. Templars use a fair amount of AOE. Maybe this is what people are referring to on the PTR?

Also buff Magicka Templars.

Husan

Kurat wrote: »

How is stamplar not good? Its easiest dps to play, just spam jabs and get 90k lmao. Isn't it enough?

Me, earlier in this thread:

Husan wrote: »

People see 100k dummy DPS and think "well this class certainly cannot be underpowered. Look! It does 100k DPS!", not even considering all the other aspects of the game.

Kurat

Husan wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

How is stamplar not good? Its easiest dps to play, just spam jabs and get 90k lmao. Isn't it enough?

Me, earlier in this thread:

Husan wrote: »

People see 100k dummy DPS and think "well this class certainly cannot be underpowered. Look! It does 100k DPS!", not even considering all the other aspects of the game.

OP says very clearly that he wants to dps pve group content. What other aspects are talking about. 90k dps is easily achievable with stamplar even with 1 bar setup which allows to do any content. Where's the problem?

Drdeath20

Kurat wrote: »

How is stamplar not good? Its easiest dps to play, just spam jabs and get 90k lmao. Isn't it enough?

Im with ya on that ,on a trial dummy or in a good trial group, when it comes time to turn on the dps stamplars are the easiest.

Some trial/dungeon achievements make melee and well stam dps in general least desirable. Soo we often find that these conversations become all about a stationary dummy, that doesnt fight back, and little about situations in the field.

The biggest problem i find with stamplars is losing the off healing from ritual of retribution for a ~800 dps boost. Minor fracture becoming soo accessible pushes the necessity for stamplars down a few notches. So we are left with an easy rotation but aside from jabs and a recovery skill theres really no other reason.

OOJIMMY

Kurat wrote: »

How is stamplar not good? Its easiest dps to play, just spam jabs and get 90k lmao. Isn't it enough?

Well for trials it's a mag meta, so already at a disadvantage. Most end game trials group care more about group utility what can you offer to help the group do better? Stamplar has PotL but a lot of healers run it anyways.

Stamplar is meh to bad in every aspect of the game except attacking a stationary target.

If templars jabs were so amazing why aren't all the end game trials masters running stamplar?

ArchMikem

OOJIMMY wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

How is stamplar not good? Its easiest dps to play, just spam jabs and get 90k lmao. Isn't it enough?

Well for trials it's a mag meta, so already at a disadvantage. Most end game trials group care more about group utility what can you offer to help the group do better? Stamplar has PotL but a lot of healers run it anyways.

Stamplar is meh to bad in every aspect of the game except attacking a stationary target.

If templars jabs were so amazing why aren't all the end game trials masters running stamplar?

Your only evidence for "Stamplars are bad at everything" is Vet Trials that favor Magic DDs. By that logic imma say my StamBlade is bad at everything cause Trial groups dont want me.

I'm going to agree with the others about Jabs. Templars have a blatant "I win" button for most scenarios its hilarious.

Drdeath20

ArchMikem wrote: »

OOJIMMY wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

How is stamplar not good? Its easiest dps to play, just spam jabs and get 90k lmao. Isn't it enough?

Well for trials it's a mag meta, so already at a disadvantage. Most end game trials group care more about group utility what can you offer to help the group do better? Stamplar has PotL but a lot of healers run it anyways.

Stamplar is meh to bad in every aspect of the game except attacking a stationary target.

If templars jabs were so amazing why aren't all the end game trials masters running stamplar?

Your only evidence for "Stamplars are bad at everything" is Vet Trials that favor Magic DDs. By that logic imma say my StamBlade is bad at everything cause Trial groups dont want me.

I'm going to agree with the others about Jabs. Templars have a blatant "I win" button for most scenarios its hilarious.

In cyrodil my stamplar is a ganker. Build up my onslaught combo and hope to catch somebody. Not much of a brawler bcz if i get on my back bar i have no way to come off of it. I avoid keeps and battles bcz i bring nothing but jabs to the table.

In battlegrounds my stamplar is a jabbin god. Zero group utility but merking people seems to help best.

So i agree with both of you.

VoidCommander

6 year long main magplar here. Templar has had its ups and downs, and lately with the nerf to master architect (yes, it was a nerf), I’ve had a kind of identity crisis for what trial set to run instead. Then I found out about stamplar next patch, and tried it out. My magplar does 73k on a good day, this stamplar did 103k. Needless to say I am converting my magplar to a stamplar because I am tired of not having a definitive “right” magicka trial set. Just use deadly, advancing yokuda, and selene’s and you’ll hit 90k.

Raideen

MKintr wrote: »

The game is widely unbalanced and the best class always behind a paywall (warden and necro). As I don't want to invest all the time and effort of years in a new main or spend a gazillion of expensive crowns just for skill lines and shards, with no class change token in sight and with the situation for stamplars only getting worse, I rather quit the game completely instead of being annoyed for getting disadvantaged all the time and being blocked out of the hardest content. This game takes way to much time and there are better things to do, then grind yourself to death and getting psychologically manipulated into an addiction.

100% Agreed. It's sad that so many can not see the unethical design behind the game.

Hoolielulu

Thanks for talking me down, everyone. I'm going to expand to some more characters but will always love my stamplar and will work to keep her badass.

NeillMcAttack

My stamplar is my favourite toon to play in PvP at the moment. I hear so much complaints on these forums about how weak they are and I am just not having that experience. She does extremely well going toe to toe with any melee set-ups, she may lack the mobility of other classes but that’s the nature of class flavour I guess, and I can always build more in that direction if I so choose to.

techyeshic

Stamplar is fine for PVE i think. Its shortcomings are mostly PVP burst took a hit in a "fix" to POTL there which now takes twice as long to get half the damage of other delayed burst abilities and requires you to damage your target while its purgeable. And burning light proc became unreliable at best with the change they made. So offensively now in PVP where good players will move out of jabs; dizzy and any other burst combo is better.

Defensively in PvP; stamplar is outdone by anything other than Dk as far as an ability to shake pressure or escape.

Passives are bad

ER is nice but expensive in comparison to the expansion classes, and the extra healing from it is generally matched by other classes having major mending or even a stam burst heal/extra HOT.

No defile nor major breach , nor maim built in, so you really should run 1h and shield in pvp to cover that AND defensive.

All comes back to jabs though; on a target that stands there and eats it. That should be fine for PVE.

OOJIMMY

ArchMikem wrote: »

OOJIMMY wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

How is stamplar not good? Its easiest dps to play, just spam jabs and get 90k lmao. Isn't it enough?

Well for trials it's a mag meta, so already at a disadvantage. Most end game trials group care more about group utility what can you offer to help the group do better? Stamplar has PotL but a lot of healers run it anyways.

Stamplar is meh to bad in every aspect of the game except attacking a stationary target.

If templars jabs were so amazing why aren't all the end game trials masters running stamplar?

Your only evidence for "Stamplars are bad at everything" is Vet Trials that favor Magic DDs. By that logic imma say my StamBlade is bad at everything cause Trial groups dont want me.

I'm going to agree with the others about Jabs. Templars have a blatant "I win" button for most scenarios its hilarious.

Lol sure

gatekeeper13

Templars are actually a very good DD class.

I had a Templar tank and when I made a second DK one, I changed my Templar tank to a DD. First parse I did, without any experience of the class in DD role, 60k dps. Now I do up to 67k dps.

Jabs is your spammable, which through passives also gives major savagery and minor protection with almost 100% uptime. Just have trap beast and, RoR and Endless Hail activated and you can do good dps. You also have Restoring Focus which makes you tanky and restores stamina.

Where it sucks right now is PVP. If these AoE cooldowns from Cyro tests stay, then it will become total garbage.

Gorreck

Kurat wrote: »

How is stamplar not good? Its easiest dps to play, just spam jabs and get 90k lmao. Isn't it enough?

PvP and solo PvE the Stamplar may currently be as bad as its ever been in ESO history (and Stamplars have been utterly terrible in both for long periods before).

YandereGirlfriend

Hoolielulu wrote: »

Thanks for talking me down, everyone. I'm going to expand to some more characters but will always love my stamplar and will work to keep her badass.

This is the best route.

Spinning up an alt really doesn't take as much time or effort as people make out, especially if you do it during one of the double XP events (which, conveniently, we have with the Witches' Festival).

I stuck to having only one character for far too long (stamSorc) and my enjoyment of the game ballooned after I started making some Magicka characters and tanks of different classes. And... now I have 16. Also makes for excellent Transmute Crystal farming.

barney2525

MKintr wrote: »

The game is widely unbalanced and the best class always behind a paywall (warden and necro). As I don't want to invest all the time and effort of years in a new main or spend a gazillion of expensive crowns just for skill lines and shards, with no class change token in sight and with the situation for stamplars only getting worse, I rather quit the game completely instead of being annoyed for getting disadvantaged all the time and being blocked out of the hardest content. This game takes way to much time and there are better things to do, then grind yourself to death and getting psychologically manipulated into an addiction.

Huh?

First, The entire GAME is behind a paywall. If it's OK to buy the basic game, what's the big deal about buying expansions, or - for less money - simply buying the class you want to play from the crown shop?

Second, you can NOT buy skills and shards from the crown shop UNLESS you actually do the work on one character First. And, IMHO, if it is taking years to accomplish these tasks, there's something wrong.

Third, if money is an issue, why are you so willing to buy Class Change tokens ?

Fourth, what classes are blocked from doing content ?

IMHO

MKintr

barney2525 wrote: »

MKintr wrote: »

The game is widely unbalanced and the best class always behind a paywall (warden and necro). As I don't want to invest all the time and effort of years in a new main or spend a gazillion of expensive crowns just for skill lines and shards, with no class change token in sight and with the situation for stamplars only getting worse, I rather quit the game completely instead of being annoyed for getting disadvantaged all the time and being blocked out of the hardest content. This game takes way to much time and there are better things to do, then grind yourself to death and getting psychologically manipulated into an addiction.

Huh?

First, The entire GAME is behind a paywall. If it's OK to buy the basic game, what's the big deal about buying expansions, or - for less money - simply buying the class you want to play from the crown shop?

Second, you can NOT buy skills and shards from the crown shop UNLESS you actually do the work on one character First. And, IMHO, if it is taking years to accomplish these tasks, there's something wrong.

Third, if money is an issue, why are you so willing to buy Class Change tokens ?

Fourth, what classes are blocked from doing content ?

IMHO

What is limiting your understanding? The base game gives you some classes, that are behind warden and necros, especially in pvp. Those have to be bought additionally.

It's not taking years to get all skyshards and skills. Its taking years to do all achievements, leveling to rank 50 in PvP, becoming emperor...., but only skyshards and skill lines can be bought for other chars.
I would buy a class change token, because time equals money. At least for me.

barney2525 wrote: »

... what's the big deal about buying expansions...

Haha, maybe because money doesn't grow on trees?

Ryuvain

I swear I hear the jabs sound on repeat whenever I see or think of templars.