Chest motif prices absurdly expensive!

LordSarevok

Has something changed lately? All motif pages used to be about the same cost if you shopped around. For some reason now the chest piece page has skyrocketed to about 200,000-300,000 gold for one page, while the other pages are 10,000-20,000 per page in the same style. I have many incomplete motif styles just missing the chest piece, and most traders have them so they aren't rare! I play on PS4 NA

RogueShark

I've always seen chest motifs tending to trend higher in price than other pieces. They tend to be what most people are after, especially if it's a newer motif that appeals to a lot of people.

lozq

Because chests are the most visually obvious part of an outfit - if you're into dress-ups but not too fussed about motif collecting you'll just buy the bits you want. Belts, boots and bracers are usually pretty boring and similar to other styles, too many shoulders mesh poorly or float and lots of people prefer to 'Hide Helm'. Which leaves chests and legs as the must-have items.

I usually just make a point of checking TTC every week or so if I'm chasing specific pages, you'll eventually find them going cheap. If you've got time to kill going to out of the way traders is a good way to find bargains, either to use or resell.

VoodooPlatypus

Chest, staves, and shields seem to fetch the highest prices. And helms maybe. Probably because they’re the individual pieces that can change a character’s overall appearance most significantly.

markulrich1966

there are a few sets not well suited for the "learn 50 styles" achievement.

Dremora - legs drop from arenas at halloween only (80-120k)

For the next: the mentioned part is requested cause people love the look, so gets rare quickly.
Prices vary with time and depending on server, not identical on xbox EU and NA, see them as rough idea)

Minotaur: helm (100kish)
Fang lair: chest (sexy, shows stomach, 80-300k), Mazzatun too but a litte cheaper.
Huntsman: chest (sexy decolleté 60-80k)
Welkynar: chest (wings 120k)
Stags of Z'en chest (sexy decolleté 150-300k)
Honor guard: shoulders (flat sideplates, not floating on top, 200k)

Some other styles can be used very well, but best is to wait for events. E.g. xyvkin on xbox EU was like 10, then dropped to 2 k during imperial city event.
Similar with hollowjack at halloween, but there is a change this year
And assassin at thieves guild event
And blackreach vanguard currently from skyrim event

Lately dwemer is cheap, too, 3-4k, I think people run a corresponding dungeon often to get furnishing plans, but not certain here.
Oh, and new moon priest is a daily chest reward, 5k each part.

Zephiran23

Dwemer can drop from lots of places in Greymoor. On an alt I got 1 piece from an urn while doing the main quest in the door puzzle room. (Reminder any Dwemer container is eligible.)

There's also a daily in a Dwemer delve that requires you to travel through most of it before accomplishing your 10 tasks. Also a public dungeon in Blackreach, from which you can obtain a costume, so multiple runs through there too.

So even if people aren't actively trying for furnishing plans, the numbers running Dwemer dungeons is higher than it has been for some time.

volkeswagon

Just don't buy them. When their listing expires they're most likely list for less next time. That's the thing with a free market. People can sell for what they want but some forget that their prices have to be competitive or they won't sell.

Raideen

There is also a LOT of rich players flipping items and driving up prices. Sadly because of addons and websites they can find the cheapest prices fast, buy them out and relist them. The Guild seller system would work much better, and as intended if certain addons and websites were not allowed access to the information.

barney2525

Been like this since forever. 4 years ago I went looking for fang lair chest. All other pieces were 10 - 20 k range. Chest was 190k wherever you looked.

Contaminate

Raideen wrote: »

There is also a LOT of rich players flipping items and driving up prices. Sadly because of addons and websites they can find the cheapest prices fast, buy them out and relist them. The Guild seller system would work much better, and as intended if certain addons and websites were not allowed access to the information.

Blaming “flippers” for basic supply and demand, at least try a new one.

Flippers tend to focus on majorly underpriced (aka way below market value) items and cheaper listings of items that move quickly (materials usually)

They’re not the reason that well liked chest motifs that are difficult to get sell for a decent chunk of change.

Qbiken

Raideen wrote: »

There is also a LOT of rich players flipping items and driving up prices. Sadly because of addons and websites they can find the cheapest prices fast, buy them out and relist them. The Guild seller system would work much better, and as intended if certain addons and websites were not allowed access to the information.

Addons usually lowers the prices of goods. If you compare prices between console and PC, you'll notice that console is much more expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if addons playba huge part in that.

Slyclone

Cost me 25 mil + to collect them all.

Start grinding.

Grizzbeorn

I've always found motif page prices to be dependent on the effort it took to farm them.

Dremora is a good example. The Sword page is one of the most expensive in that motif, and it took me awhile to notice why.
Sword pages are usually pretty cheap, in general, but the Dremora Sword page can only be farmed from final trial bosses during Witches Festival.
Dremora Chests, Bows, and Legs are also very pricey because Chests also come from final Trial bosses, and Bows and Legs come from final arena bosses.

Where as the other pages of that motif are farmed from easier content (delve bosses, WBs, etc.), and are much cheaper.

starkerealm

markulrich1966 wrote: »

there are a few sets not well suited for the "learn 50 styles" achievement.

Dremora - legs drop from arenas at halloween only (80-120k)

For the next: the mentioned part is requested cause people love the look, so gets rare quickly.
Prices vary with time and depending on server, not identical on xbox EU and NA, see them as rough idea)

Minotaur: helm (100kish)
Fang lair: chest (sexy, shows stomach, 80-300k), Mazzatun too but a litte cheaper.
Huntsman: chest (sexy decolleté 60-80k)
Welkynar: chest (wings 120k)
Stags of Z'en chest (sexy decolleté 150-300k)
Honor guard: shoulders (flat sideplates, not floating on top, 200k)

Some other styles can be used very well, but best is to wait for events. E.g. xyvkin on xbox EU was like 10, then dropped to 2 k during imperial city event.
Similar with hollowjack at halloween, but there is a change this year
And assassin at thieves guild event
And blackreach vanguard currently from skyrim event

Lately dwemer is cheap, too, 3-4k, I think people run a corresponding dungeon often to get furnishing plans, but not certain here.
Oh, and new moon priest is a daily chest reward, 5k each part.

While I'm a little rusty on prices, Minotaur chests are also extremely expensive, but it's another very unique looking piece. Minotaur on the whole is surprisingly expensive for a DLC daily (though this might be due to there only being four dailies in the Gold Coast.)

Mazatun chests used to be another very high ticket item, but, again, it has an exposed midriff and arms. I mean, really, when you're looking at a chest motif and discover that it shows a lot of skin on female characters, it's going to be expensive. Maz legs used to also command a premium as it's (effectively) a miniskirt. Not sure that's still the case, though.

Beyond that, Honor Guard is expensive across the board, but that has more to do with the motif being difficult to obtain. Generally speaking, the harder it is to get pages for a motif, the more expensive it will be on the market. Historically, Glass commanded a very high price before the page fragment system was ended for it. Welkynar is another that commanded extreme prices for a long time. Even Imperial still holds value, and that's a launch era motif, you can even start with it if you roll an Imperial character. However, it's also infamously hard to obtain, and as a result, it commands a premium.

DLC dungeon motifs usually hold their value until the next Anniversary event, where they're added to the pool and the price drops.

Event motifs (like Skinchanger, Hollowjack, and Worm Cult) tend to have a seasonal cyclic movement. (Though, Worm Cult has held it's value better than you might expect simply because, again, it's stupidly rare.)

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

simple answer is probs because of the upcoming sticker book

starkerealm

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

simple answer is probs because of the upcoming sticker book

No, he's talking about motif pages. Those got their sticker book back in early 2018.

redlink1979

Ppl have a thing for those parts they found fancy. It's always been like this.

ghost_bg_ESO

some pages are hard to get,
some there is high demand for them,
some resellers get them faster...
recently i've had good master writ for something from greymoor dungeons,motif at daytime was something like 100k, at the evening when people tend to run dungeons (and have more time) it was 16k. master writ for psijic ambrosia starts at the morning from 5k to reach 35k at the evening...
and i don't blame anyone, everyone can make gold as it fits them.

pod88kk

Probably because they're the most noticeable. I remember when everyone started buying up staff motifs when magicka characters where BIS

pihlaja

To be honest, I totally understand the pricing of many of the chest motifs when they look very cool or otherwise unique and are at the same time quite hard to obtain (requiring grinding vet dlc dungeons and being subject to RNG). And if one is not interested in paying the market value, there are always cheaper alternatives which might not look as cool but are still fine. Or there’s always an option to try to grind the motif piece themselves (which might lead to conclusion that actually the price level is reasonable enough).

And as a final note; surely many of the prices are way above the budget for new players, but it’s also possible to achieve quite nice looks with more basic motifs, and eventually newer players will also be able to obtain the motifs themselves too.

Donny_Vito

Raideen wrote: »

There is also a LOT of rich players flipping items and driving up prices. Sadly because of addons and websites they can find the cheapest prices fast, buy them out and relist them. The Guild seller system would work much better, and as intended if certain addons and websites were not allowed access to the information.

So true. There are some significant flaws in the Guild Trader system.

gatekeeper13

Prices have to do with availability, difficulty to acquire and demand.

Greymoor chests used to cost 200k because they were rare. Now they cost around 20k cause thousands of players farmed them during the event.

Sevn

Ps4 NA as well and as others have mentioned it's always been this way. I remember paying around 300k for the Maz chest piece and wouldn't be surprised if it still costs around 100k even now while other less noticeable pieces are much less expensive.

Jeremy

LordSarevok wrote: »

Has something changed lately? All motif pages used to be about the same cost if you shopped around. For some reason now the chest piece page has skyrocketed to about 200,000-300,000 gold for one page, while the other pages are 10,000-20,000 per page in the same style. I have many incomplete motif styles just missing the chest piece, and most traders have them so they aren't rare! I play on PS4 NA

Yeah some of them are real rip offs.

I won't spend over 30,000 for one unless I just really want it. I'm not convinced it helps you Master Writ chance that much anyway.

starkerealm

Jeremy wrote: »

LordSarevok wrote: »

Has something changed lately? All motif pages used to be about the same cost if you shopped around. For some reason now the chest piece page has skyrocketed to about 200,000-300,000 gold for one page, while the other pages are 10,000-20,000 per page in the same style. I have many incomplete motif styles just missing the chest piece, and most traders have them so they aren't rare! I play on PS4 NA

Yeah some of them are real rip offs.

I won't spend over 30,000 for one unless I just really want it. I'm not convinced it helps you Master Writ chance that much anyway.

It doesn't. Ink was tracking the numbers, from what I remember, the difference between one and two motifs, and 60+ was somewhere in the 1% range. (Though, I don't remember the exact numbers.)

As for the prices, it's hard to speak categorically, but if the prices for a page are hanging around 200k+, then there's something that justifies the price. Not a motif, but the Knight of the Circle pages keep their value because farming each page is a major undertaking. Opal weapons hold their value because there is no supply left, and the costs are related to the demand for those pages (now that the supply has dried up.)

Now, you will find things listed for absurd prices. But, when pages are holding their value, that's supply/demand. If you could get those pages easily, you could list them for slightly less than what's being asked and pocket the cash almost immediately. Except, if it's really that common, you'll see other players undercutting you. The price will come down over a fairly short period of time. You can see this in action during the Anniversary events, when the motif prices crash.

So, it's not a "rip-off," it's usually just that someone had a distorted grasp on what a motif page was worth.

Jeremy

starkerealm wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

LordSarevok wrote: »

Has something changed lately? All motif pages used to be about the same cost if you shopped around. For some reason now the chest piece page has skyrocketed to about 200,000-300,000 gold for one page, while the other pages are 10,000-20,000 per page in the same style. I have many incomplete motif styles just missing the chest piece, and most traders have them so they aren't rare! I play on PS4 NA

Yeah some of them are real rip offs.

I won't spend over 30,000 for one unless I just really want it. I'm not convinced it helps you Master Writ chance that much anyway.

It doesn't. Ink was tracking the numbers, from what I remember, the difference between one and two motifs, and 60+ was somewhere in the 1% range. (Though, I don't remember the exact numbers.)

As for the prices, it's hard to speak categorically, but if the prices for a page are hanging around 200k+, then there's something that justifies the price. Not a motif, but the Knight of the Circle pages keep their value because farming each page is a major undertaking. Opal weapons hold their value because there is no supply left, and the costs are related to the demand for those pages (now that the supply has dried up.)

Now, you will find things listed for absurd prices. But, when pages are holding their value, that's supply/demand. If you could get those pages easily, you could list them for slightly less than what's being asked and pocket the cash almost immediately. Except, if it's really that common, you'll see other players undercutting you. The price will come down over a fairly short period of time. You can see this in action during the Anniversary events, when the motif prices crash.

So, it's not a "rip-off," it's usually just that someone had a distorted grasp on what a motif page was worth.

Well that seals it for me then. No way I'm paying millions of gold in numerous payments of 100K + to complete motif collections I'm not even interested in using for a measly 1% increase. haha

So I think I'll content myself with the crafting achievement. At least I got a banner for that.

Finedaible

In my experience, chest motifs are usually rarer than any other piece (I firmly believe this is the result of weighted or rigged RNG but I have no way of proving it). On top of that, chest pieces are the largest visible part on your character so if a particular motif looks very appealing demand will be much higher for it than a less appealing style. Some chest motifs are just stupidly rare and have extremely limited availability on top of it while also having high demand (Minotaur Chests for example).

idk

motif pages, just like any thing else traded in-game, have always sold for the price two parties agree to.

Iselin

Chest pieces usually define the look of an outfit so of course they are the most sought after ones.

linuxlady

People complain about the jewelry crafting writs being expensive to fill, and they are, but if you get a writ for a style of weapon or armor that costs 100k+ for the motif and you get 7 writ vouchers for completing it.... well all I can say is it’s getting destroyed. I don’t care if I have 6 mil in gold I’m sitting on, that’s a crafting writ that won’t get done.

starkerealm

linuxlady wrote: »

People complain about the jewelry crafting writs being expensive to fill, and they are, but if you get a writ for a style of weapon or armor that costs 100k+ for the motif and you get 7 writ vouchers for completing it.... well all I can say is it’s getting destroyed. I don’t care if I have 6 mil in gold I’m sitting on, that’s a crafting writ that won’t get done.

I'll take it if you don't want it.

Joking aside, there is a critical difference. Motifs are a one-time cost. The same is true (and more prevalent) with provisioning writs. If you need to buy the recipe, your provisioning writs will have absolutely terrible returns. However, when you get the same writ again, that cost has already been paid, and the writ will be trivial to complete (unless it's Psijic Ambrosia.)

Motifs are the same way. If you buy (or farm) a Minotaur chest for your writ, and then get another one down the road, that writ will only cost you the crafting mats. Now, because of how many motifs there are, you'll see specific ones less frequently, but they do recur.

I can't fault you for seeing a writ that has a motif you don't know, and wanting to dispose of it, but there is a real market for those. Those writs are immediately valuable to players who've kept on top of the motif grind. Whether that's through trading for a writ they have that you can complete, or for money.

Now, I'll absolutely agree, spending 100k for a 7 writ voucher doesn't make sense, but there are players who can craft those.