Grim Focus and its Morphs
llBlack_Heartll
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It would be great to see 1 change with this skill and allowing it to be refreshed every time you fire the bow.
1> The cost to fire the bow would lose the @ 50% of the base cost and it will just cost the base rate 2700 for the Magicka version and 2295 for the Stamina version.
2> The length time its activated for will drop from 60s for stam and 40s for mag to 15s but duration is now refreshed every activation of the bow.
It is a massive waste of a GCD having to refresh the skill after the 40/60s drops off and this change will make it way less clunky.
Edited by llBlack_Heartll on October 8, 2020 2:36AM 1> The cost to fire the bow would lose the @ 50% of the base cost and it will just cost the base rate 2700 for the Magicka version and 2295 for the Stamina version.
2> The length time its activated for will drop from 60s for stam and 40s for mag to 15s but duration is now refreshed every activation of the bow.
It is a massive waste of a GCD having to refresh the skill after the 40/60s drops off and this change will make it way less clunky.
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JayKwellen✭✭✭✭✭Or it could also just do something on activation. Like, literally anything at all. As of right now it's just a waste of a GCD.
Even if it just gave us a minor buff on activation, or instead of building crit bonus over time we just got the 10% upfront, maybe have it recast itself at least once like the new sub assault, or just kind of copy the skill that itself is a copy of this skill and have it increase our light attack damage when active, or create something new that synergizes with our kit like have it increase the healing done by siphoning strikes by 20% when it's active, or pretty much anything else someone more creative than me could think up.Xbox NA - JaeKwellen
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Trying to main a magcro. This is awful.2 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA6 -
SHOW✭✭✭Agree, love the potential, but it's a bit clunky, could use some streamlining.
My biggest pain that it seems to behave strangely / disappear sometimes with the wonky "in / out of combat" state too. Work up the stacks, then go to use it, and it's gone with 20 secs still left on the timer... cool. I just cast an angry buff at my opponent lol "don't make me refresh this timer at you!" lol
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Why is one 40 secs and the other 60?
Does the Stam version make that super loud bang too?
(I can dodge that mag bow in the middle of a zerg literally with my eyes closed. They need to swap that volume with Snipe lol)Edited by SHOW on October 8, 2020 6:36PM0 -
SHOW✭✭✭Another thought for reference:
Crystal frag proc is braindead easy (and much more often) in comparison.
literally procs for u, no wonky timers, no GCD even needed (even procs itself nowadays lol)
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llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
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JayKwellen✭✭✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
Exactly. Even the spectral bow copy bound armaments is more useful in that regard because even though it also includes a dead cast its still doing something just by being on your bar, namely 8% more stamina and increased light attack damage.Xbox NA - JaeKwellen
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hakan✭✭✭✭✭my comment got deleted lol. anyway they said it was overloaded so i dont think they will touch it...0 -
Everest_Lionheart✭✭✭✭✭I have no issue with the refresh but more of an issue getting the spectral bow to proc. Just reset off the alt phase, works a lot like bull netch on warden.
As I said it’s the proc that’s killing me. 5th LA and no proc so end up adding another Spamable to the rotation to hit the proc and throwing off the timing of all the other buffs/dots. Losing ticks of each and a good chunk of DPS that way. It’s hard to trust something so unreliable. I watch the counter tick up 1-2-3-4-4-5 at least half the time.
Still getting 56K but probably leaving at least 3-4K on the table.0 -
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✭As a console player, I wish that there was a stronger visual queue that it is ready to fire.“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”1 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
If it was a waste you wouldn't refresh but you do because it is worth it.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
If it was a waste you wouldn't refresh but you do because it is worth it.
It’s a waste because you could be using another ability instead of refreshing the skill.
Another reason it gets dropped in execution phase, it’s a waste to refresh the ability when you can spam your execute. You obviously don’t play NB.
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
If it was a waste you wouldn't refresh but you do because it is worth it.
It’s a waste because you could be using another ability instead of refreshing the skill.
Another reason it gets dropped in execution phase, it’s a waste to refresh the ability when you can spam your execute. You obviously don’t play NB.
I mean it probably doesn't get dropped in execute so you crits hit 10% harder or anything.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
If it was a waste you wouldn't refresh but you do because it is worth it.
It’s a waste because you could be using another ability instead of refreshing the skill.
Another reason it gets dropped in execution phase, it’s a waste to refresh the ability when you can spam your execute. You obviously don’t play NB.
I mean it probably doesn't get dropped in execute so you crits hit 10% harder or anything.
Well it does -
https://youtu.be/RkiO_qk2vWU
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
If it was a waste you wouldn't refresh but you do because it is worth it.
It’s a waste because you could be using another ability instead of refreshing the skill.
Another reason it gets dropped in execution phase, it’s a waste to refresh the ability when you can spam your execute. You obviously don’t play NB.
I mean it probably doesn't get dropped in execute so you crits hit 10% harder or anything.
Well it does -https://youtu.be/RkiO_qk2vWU
Yea, so your crits hit 10% harder. Why would you use it if you have a spammable that hits as hard but you don't have to give up 10% CHD to use??BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
Everest_Lionheart✭✭✭✭✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »As a console player, I wish that there was a stronger visual queue that it is ready to fire.
That’s half the fun for us, trying to figure out skill timers and proc counters. Half the skills don’t even have timers. Shade, mirage, endless hail, no timers. Poison injection timer above the boss, what?
Factor that into any mobile fight with mechs and much of the time you are left guessing out there. The problem isn’t exclusive to NB either. Any builds using a bow are affected. Mag toons using WoE are affected. Have you tried watching to see if you wall expires in a trial with 4 pet sorcs, 3 magplar and half a dozen maw of the infernal? You can’t see anything and that includes the buffs, debuffs, bosses, and which bar you are even on sometimes! Good luck finding your WoE in all that and maintaining uptime as the game lags because it can’t handle all the bling a ling on screen!
But I digress, console needs some major QOL changes.2 -
Apox✭✭✭✭✭i was talking to some buddies the other night about how id like it to kinda not have a duration at all but just activate every 5th light attack, i guess similar to cfrags, but i woulnt really like that because youd probably need to double bar it.
your suggestion of refreshing the duration every time you fire the bow is 100% better than what i was thinking for it and id love to see it implementedJayKwellen wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
Exactly. Even the spectral bow copy bound armaments is more useful in that regard because even though it also includes a dead cast its still doing something just by being on your bar, namely 8% more stamina and increased light attack damage.
i hate bound armaments. when it gets to the end of the duration you have to forgo a light attack to refresh it or let it fall off completely otherwise your light attack will generate a dagger and pressing the button will fire the dagger instead of refreshing the buff.llBlack_Heartll wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
If it was a waste you wouldn't refresh but you do because it is worth it.
It’s a waste because you could be using another ability instead of refreshing the skill.
Another reason it gets dropped in execution phase, it’s a waste to refresh the ability when you can spam your execute. You obviously don’t play NB.
I mean it probably doesn't get dropped in execute so you crits hit 10% harder or anything.
It does.
No disrespect or anything but please dont discuss things you dont know about.
In this thread we're discussing QoL and gameplay feel, not numbers. I dont care if you hate nightblades because they parse higher or kill you often in pvp, but thats not what this discussion is about, its about having more fun on a class we enjoy, but want to see improvements made to.Edited by Apox on October 10, 2020 4:19PM2 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭i was talking to some buddies the other night about how id like it to kinda not have a duration at all but just activate every 5th light attack, i guess similar to cfrags, but i woulnt really like that because youd probably need to double bar it.
your suggestion of refreshing the duration every time you fire the bow is 100% better than what i was thinking for it and id love to see it implementedJayKwellen wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
Exactly. Even the spectral bow copy bound armaments is more useful in that regard because even though it also includes a dead cast its still doing something just by being on your bar, namely 8% more stamina and increased light attack damage.
i hate bound armaments. when it gets to the end of the duration you have to forgo a light attack to refresh it or let it fall off completely otherwise your light attack will generate a dagger and pressing the button will fire the dagger instead of refreshing the buff.llBlack_Heartll wrote: »llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
If it was a waste you wouldn't refresh but you do because it is worth it.
It’s a waste because you could be using another ability instead of refreshing the skill.
Another reason it gets dropped in execution phase, it’s a waste to refresh the ability when you can spam your execute. You obviously don’t play NB.
I mean it probably doesn't get dropped in execute so you crits hit 10% harder or anything.
It does.
No disrespect or anything but please dont discuss things you dont know about.
In this thread we're discussing QoL and gameplay feel, not numbers. I dont care if you hate nightblades because they parse higher or kill you often in pvp, but thats not what this discussion is about, its about having more fun on a class we enjoy, but want to see improvements made to.
I thought that comment was dripping with enough sarcasm it would've been conveyed through text. My favorite class is nb and I'm just saying that the op is wrong in saying that "It is a massive waste of a GCD having to refresh the skill after the 40/60s drops off" since if you do refresh it you will do more damage than if you hadn't. If they make it so it doesn't need to be refreshed they will nerf the damage.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭Adding some benefit to the initial cast or rebuff would be great. It used to have Minor Berserk but ZOS took it away because Warden P2W shenanigans, just like Templar Major Mending
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hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭I'd like it if Grim Focus stacked off of any direct damage single target ability instead of light and heavy attacks.1
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✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
It is the hardest hitting ability in the game. Does that answer your question? Templars will trade PoTL for it. They have to reapply it every 6 seconds and its to the point where its better to not slot it.0 -
llBlack_Heartll✭✭✭✭llBlack_Heartll wrote: »Not sure how it's a waste of a GCD when it enables you to deal incredible burst damage and considering all the highest parses I see include refreshing the buff, which is generously only 40 or 60 seconds depending on morph.
How is it not a waste? When you fire your last proc of the bow you need to reapply the skill. So light attack Bow proc, light attack reapply. That my friend is a waste. Compare it to every other burst skill on other classes - Blast Bones, Shalks, PoL etc not one of these requires you to waste a GCD to reapply the skill.
It is the hardest hitting ability in the game. Does that answer your question? Templars will trade PoTL for it. They have to reapply it every 6 seconds and its to the point where its better to not slot it.
I would agree that PotL is weak currently and needs a buff.
In regards to the Spec Bow being the hardest hitting, it would want to be considering you can only proc it twice on your front bar per rotation, Compare that to Blast Bones and Shalkes, you can fit 3 casts of these burst skills on your front bar which also hits hard, after this patch goes through you will be able to hit Shalks 4 times per rotation as well as cast a skill on top of the free GCD Shalk.
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✭Grim focus is a great skill but my goodness its a bit temperamental, mainly due to laag/desync type issues I suspect.
So often you try to fire the proc that should be there, but instead you refresh the skill, and for that reason I am often adding in an additional skill+LA weave to make sure the proc is available.
I also find it a bit annoying to aim in busy content.
As a side, this, and similar proc skills, serve as a rather nice way to check if your LA weaving is on point, because of course unless your LA hits, it wont add a stack. On Console we have VERY limited ability to analyse rotation performance so this is one way to check if your LA are working, kinda.0 -
Everest_Lionheart✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Grim focus is a great skill but my goodness its a bit temperamental, mainly due to laag/desync type issues I suspect.
So often you try to fire the proc that should be there, but instead you refresh the skill, and for that reason I am often adding in an additional skill+LA weave to make sure the proc is available.
I also find it a bit annoying to aim in busy content.
As a side, this, and similar proc skills, serve as a rather nice way to check if your LA weaving is on point, because of course unless your LA hits, it wont add a stack. On Console we have VERY limited ability to analyse rotation performance so this is one way to check if your LA are working, kinda.
The issue on console being if you wait for the proc to show as ready than you are wasting a GCD. It’s supposed to be ready right after that last LA so you can hit the proc immediately. It’s supposed to be literally every 5th skill and in off ultimate phases you hit it 2x in a row to reset the timer.
For me I find trying to stick to every 5th skill the proc doesn’t alway fire and I end up hitting it 2x to fire it. That’s a wasted cast where I could have done dmg instead. This is my biggest frustration with NB.2