Adjustment of Proc Damage Sets

MentalxHammer

Hey travelers, as many know proc damage sets are dominating the pvp meta once again, and the quality of pvp in ESO is suffering drastically as a result. What steps must ZOS take to balance this meta?

Vildebill

Adjust the interaction of Malacaths and proc damage sets.

The problem is Malacath, not proc sets.

olsborg

Nerf proc sets, and nerf Malacaths.

The problem is proccsets, but malacath is part of it, specially when they will nerf critchance even more soon...malacath will just gain more power.

NeillMcAttack

Scale the damage with the players offensive stats, even allow them to crit, as crit builds havent much else going for them.

Joy_Division

Vildebill wrote: »

The problem is Malacath, not proc sets.

I'd rather fight someone wearing Malacath 11 times out of 10 then someone wearing 4 proc sets and it's not even close.

Danksta

Joy_Division wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

The problem is Malacath, not proc sets.

I'd rather fight someone wearing Malacath 11 times out of 10 then someone wearing 4 proc sets and it's not even close.

This is the problem here. Stacking proc sets.

MentalxHammer

Adjust the interaction of Malacaths and proc damage sets.

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

Scale the damage with the players offensive stats, even allow them to crit, as crit builds havent much else going for them.

To be honest allowing proc sets to crit, and lowering the damage of all proc sets slighty to account for this would be a good way to balance proc sets around Malacaths.

Gilvoth

Do nothing, proc sets are fine.

there is zero reason to make adjustments to proc sets.

relentless_turnip

Nerf proc sets, and nerf Malacaths.

They shouldn't work with malacath and the ability to stack them should be controlled. I suggested diminishing returns where one proc set retains its power, but wear 2 and both proc sets tooltips are reduced etc... Though stat scaling is also a very good idea as it enforces the same thing via a different route.

kathandira

Do nothing, proc sets are fine.

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Hey travelers, as many know proc damage sets are dominating the pvp meta once again, and the quality of pvp in ESO is suffering drastically as a result. What steps must ZOS take to balance this meta?

If it were to be adjusted, I hope it is added to Battle Spirit. If such a large change in the name of PvP affects PvE, I think I may unsub and uninstall.

hexentb16_ESO

Do nothing, proc sets are fine.

I don't care what I die to in pvp. A death is a death and pvp became a lot more exciting since more proc were being used. It was boring as heck when everyone was just stat stacking. Besides, I like to think things through in pvp and find that its easier to deal with players relying on proc sets.

Vildebill

Adjust the interaction of Malacaths and proc damage sets.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

The problem is Malacath, not proc sets.

I'd rather fight someone wearing Malacath 11 times out of 10 then someone wearing 4 proc sets and it's not even close.

Those two options doesn't contradict each other. Who did even use proc sets before Malacath?

Jierdanit

Nerf proc sets, and nerf Malacaths.

Vildebill wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

The problem is Malacath, not proc sets.

I'd rather fight someone wearing Malacath 11 times out of 10 then someone wearing 4 proc sets and it's not even close.

Those two options doesn't contradict each other. Who did even use proc sets before Malacath?

You know that pretty much every 2nd zergling is running Venomous Smite right now?

And you know that it is impossible to use that set with Malacath?

Recapitated

Vildebill wrote: »

The problem is Malacath, not proc sets.

The problem emerged this patch when they buffed a bunch of proc sets, not when they added Malacath. Malacath + unbuffed proc sets = whatever

Recapitated

I don't truly like any of these options. I don't want proc sets to become unusable ideally. The problem is with the way proc sets interact with one another. They have no cost, they aren't governed by the GCD, they let you stack a different stat (health, sustain, whatever) and keep doing damage. For that to change they need to scale, at the very least with crit but ideally with damage and max stats too.

Vildebill

Adjust the interaction of Malacaths and proc damage sets.

Jierdanit wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

The problem is Malacath, not proc sets.

I'd rather fight someone wearing Malacath 11 times out of 10 then someone wearing 4 proc sets and it's not even close.

Those two options doesn't contradict each other. Who did even use proc sets before Malacath?

You know that pretty much every 2nd zergling is running Venomous Smite right now?

And you know that it is impossible to use that set with Malacath?

Yeah, and venomous smite isn't very good compared to other proc sets like syvarras or sheer venom combined with Malacath.

All proc sets are pretty meh in PvP if it wouldn't be for Malacath since it let's you play in heavy armour and still deal a lot of damage. I'm fairly sure that we wouldn't have a proc meta anymore if they made Malacath not work with proc sets.

ZOS_Lunar

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Recapitated

Vildebill wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

The problem is Malacath, not proc sets.

I'd rather fight someone wearing Malacath 11 times out of 10 then someone wearing 4 proc sets and it's not even close.

Those two options doesn't contradict each other. Who did even use proc sets before Malacath?

You know that pretty much every 2nd zergling is running Venomous Smite right now?

And you know that it is impossible to use that set with Malacath?

Yeah, and venomous smite isn't very good compared to other proc sets like syvarras or sheer venom combined with Malacath.

All proc sets are pretty meh in PvP if it wouldn't be for Malacath since it let's you play in heavy armour and still deal a lot of damage. I'm fairly sure that we wouldn't have a proc meta anymore if they made Malacath not work with proc sets.

We didn't when Malacath was released. Those tooltips are also pretty much equivalent to or stronger than DOT abilities without Malacath.

Austinseph1

Proc sets, overwhelming in PvP, not worth it in PvE. It's really the need to mix the two that causes imbalances. They don't want to nerf them because they are already barely useful against foes with 200mil health, and then they try to balance them against people with 30k.

Recapitated

Austinseph1 wrote: »

They don't want to nerf them because they are already barely useful against foes with 200mil health

Can we just learn to be OK with that? 2pc Potentates doesn't do anything in PvE and that's fine because it's not supposed to, everyone gets that and nobody complains. Nobody complains that Relequen doesn't work in PVP. What's special about proc sets?