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Still worth on bringing it up rather than staying silent. Changes aren't made if nothing gets brought up or pointed out. Theres always hope for a change.
They might've stated the previous before. But things can change.
I believe in the hope of change.
Oh, I am not suggesting you should never bring this up. I am merely pointing out the reality that Zos is so adamant about not offering such an option that they created a support reference for it so they did not have to keep repeating themselves.
So yes, they may change their mind eventually but is it really worth the extremely long wait when the track record firmly shows you will be able to level up a new character, CP, and crafting many times over before Zos might change their stance?0 -
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"We have not built, and do not plan to build, the capability to move individual characters from platform to platform." I.e PC -> PS4 or PS4 to Xbox from Xbox to PC etc.
Theres literally nothing there explaining why in a SINGLE platform (PC) It's not as of right now possible to transfer your character currently locked in a EU server simply moved to the NA side.It is not possible for Customer Support, to transfer characters, gear, gold, crowns or items, between different accounts, servers, or platforms.
That is the very first sentence that explains it is not possible seems to sum this up very well. Zos very clearly and plainly says they cannot transfer characters between servers.0 -
Mikel3✭
Oh, I am not suggesting you should never bring this up. I am merely pointing out the reality that Zos is so adamant about not offering such an option that they created a support reference for it so they did not have to keep repeating themselves.
So yes, they may change their mind eventually but is it really worth the extremely long wait when the track record firmly shows you will be able to level up a new character, CP, and crafting many times over before Zos might change their stance?
It's not only about the hard grind of getting to ~CP 300 in example, its also about the hard work, numerous dungeon runs both out and in cyrodiil, including the hard work put in working getting that hard currency in cyrodiil city Tel Var Stones and not to mention alliance currency.
Followed by the large sum of gold you accumulated over the ## time you've spent on your main followed by achievements, mementos and event items, which some of you can't even get again.
Theres just so much work than having to grind up to your level.
If its difficult to imagine, just imagine that all your progress gets wiped and you start off from a total clean slate. No DLC's no crowns, no cosmetics and no event items or specialities etc. That's the best explanation i can give.
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✭✭✭✭✭*shrug* I started with a clean slate on PC EU after having a CP character on PC NA. It was - and is - fun. That was - hmmm - I think less than a year ago. Now I have a CP character on EU as well, with another one all but ready to pop (on my second account).
Yep. Clean slate, progress wiped. Wasn't a big deal for me. I sub ESO+ on two accounts so the crowns are available on both, and I have since creating the EU characters picked up CS stuff I really wanted.
Disclaimer: achievements are for kids. So yeah, I have ZERO interest in that sort of "gold star" crap. For me, it's about my people.... I LOVE having so many characters available; I always have someone jumping up and down, hands in the air, screaming "PLAY ME TODAY!"0 -
Mikel3✭
That is the very first sentence that explains it is not possible seems to sum this up very well. Zos very clearly and plainly says they cannot transfer characters between servers.
It's a statement.
Statement's can change. If you try to push and bring it up in a demand as a feature, if it gains enough movement things might change. Not to mention whoever currently is in lead might in a hope of having a change of mind to things as well.
They currently can not transfer anything because they either haven't put research into it or worked into developing it into a possibility. It's nowhere of being an impossibility.0 -
Mikel3✭Sylvermynx wrote: »*shrug* I started with a clean slate on PC EU after having a CP character on PC NA. It was - and is - fun. That was - hmmm - I think less than a year ago. Now I have a CP character on EU as well, with another one all but ready to pop (on my second account).
Yep. Clean slate, progress wiped. Wasn't a big deal for me. I sub ESO+ on two accounts so the crowns are available on both, and I have since creating the EU characters picked up CS stuff I really wanted.
Disclaimer: achievements are for kids. So yeah, I have ZERO interest in that sort of "gold star" crap. For me, it's about my people.... I LOVE having so many characters available; I always have someone jumping up and down, hands in the air, screaming "PLAY ME TODAY!"
If you got nothing constructive or anything related to the topic/Conversation at hand please don't come here and fill it up with derailement.
Good for you, have fun. [snip]
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As a long-time forum-goer that @Sylvermynx has been, I can assure you she has a great personality.
They currently can not transfer anything because they either haven't put research into it or worked into developing it into a possibility. It's nowhere of being an impossibility.
Putting words into ZOS’s mouth may not be the best way to bolster your argument.
Just because ZOS hasn’t disclosed why they don’t do server transfers (if it’s not a database issue), doesn’t mean they haven’t put any thought or research into it.
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Mikel3✭They currently can not transfer anything because they either haven't put research into it or worked into developing it into a possibility. It's nowhere of being an impossibility.
Putting words into ZOS’s mouth may not be the best way to bolster your argument.
Just because ZOS hasn’t disclosed why they don’t do server transfers, doesn’t mean they haven’t put any thought or research into it.[/quote]
If it makes you feel that way, i apologize.
But i still stay with my posts.
>Having an ability to transfer characters from NA to EU and EU to NA should be a possibility on a single platform (PC) For example.
For the sake of saving time, money and progress already made.0 -
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It's not only about the hard grind of getting to ~CP 300 in example, its also about the hard work, numerous dungeon runs both out and in cyrodiil, including the hard work put in working getting that hard currency in cyrodiil city Tel Var Stones and not to mention alliance currency.
Followed by the large sum of gold you accumulated over the ## time you've spent on your main followed by achievements, mementos and event items, which some of you can't even get again.
Theres just so much work than having to grind up to your level.
If its difficult to imagine, just imagine that all your progress gets wiped and you start off from a total clean slate. No DLC's no crowns, no cosmetics and no event items or specialities etc. That's the best explanation i can give.
Thx for attempting to paint a picture of what it means to have to start over. I have two accounts both are fully leveled on both servers, not including my xbox but that does not really count. So it seems odd to see someone suggest it might be difficult for me to imagine what it takes and attempt to spell it out for me the work involved to somewhat start over again.
So yes, I speak from experience and will say again, the choice is yours. That choice is between what will very likely be a very long wait or start leveling now and get it over with. I will mention that it is NOT advisable to hold one's breath if one chooses to wait.0 -
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It's a statement.
Statement's can change. If you try to push and bring it up in a demand as a feature, if it gains enough movement things might change. Not to mention whoever currently is in lead might in a hope of having a change of mind to things as well.
They currently can not transfer anything because they either haven't put research into it or worked into developing it into a possibility. It's nowhere of being an impossibility.
Actually, we know why they cannot transfer anything. It says very clearly it in that same help article. Also, the same person is in charge today that was in charge when Zos originally stated they have not and do not plan to build the tool required for transferring between live servers.
Also, there does not seem to be much of a push to bring this about as these threads never seem to get much support.
So again, you can wait or take matters into your own hands. All we are pointing out, logically speaking, is it appears you will have a very long wait.0 -
Mikel3✭
Actually, we know why they cannot transfer anything. It says very clearly it in that same help article. Also, the same person is in charge today that was in charge when Zos originally stated they have not and do not plan to build the tool required for transferring between live servers.
Also, there does not seem to be much of a push to bring this about as these threads never seem to get much support.
So again, you can wait or take matters into your own hands. All we are pointing out, logically speaking, is it appears you will have a very long wait.
Then a long wait it can be.
I still have a right to bring threads like these up and support them myself if i come across one. The more time i have to wait the more time i just have spend here in the forums asking about for a change.
Or are you implying that i should drop it all together and that topics like these in general should be suppressed?0 -
Guyle✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »
Yes, one time only - to a completely empty database.
Ok so that means the ability to do it is at least in place, and they could do it in the future. Ppl yell loud enough about it often, it might happen.1 -
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Putting words into ZOS’s mouth may not be the best way to bolster your argument.
Just because ZOS hasn’t disclosed why they don’t do server transfers, doesn’t mean they haven’t put any thought or research into it.
If it makes you feel that way, i apologize.
But i still stay with my posts.
>Having an ability to transfer characters from NA to EU and EU to NA should be a possibility on a single platform (PC) For example.
For the sake of saving time, money and progress already made. [/quote]
"Having an ability to transfer characters from NA to EU and EU to NA should be a possibility on a single platform (PC) For example."
Those are examples. PCNA to PCEU could be another example. For instance if I say "there are a lot of numbers such as 6, 8, 4 and 37 for example" that doesn't mean 7 isn't a number. Only means I didn't use 7 as an example.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
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"We have not built, and do not plan to build, the capability to move individual characters from platform to platform." I.e PC -> PS4 or PS4 to Xbox from Xbox to PC etc.
Theres literally nothing there explaining why in a SINGLE platform (PC) It's not as of right now possible to transfer your character currently locked in a EU server simply moved to the NA side.
Granted the FAQ answer is straight to the point bare bones. Gina later explained the whole database thing In a thread like this one. I guess even servers have their own databases.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Ok so that means the ability to do it is at least in place, and they could do it in the future. Ppl yell loud enough about it often, it might happen.
That's a very optimistic conclusion to draw from that.
Even on the PTS, where they want to get both people from PC/EU and PC/NA playing, they can only copy over one or the other at any given time. (And the PTS has no platform agreement concerns, no issues with the economy, etc.).
I don't know the internal structure of ESO data, but from what they've said, my belief is that account and character data are not the simple file to copy that some people seem to assume, but instead a collection of linked database records, which all mutually point to each other. In order to transfer a structure like that to another server, where there is already existing data, you can't just copy things. You have to create new database entries in the destination server to accommodate all of the source data, and then you have to alter all the linkages in the source data to reflect the just-created database entries. It's certainly possible to do in principle, but it can be slow, and might (does from what ZOS has said in the past) require extensive building and testing of a tool for that purpose.
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✭✭The more time i have to wait the more time i just have spend here in the forums asking about for a change.
Or you could spend that time levelling a new toon on the other server. It really doesn't take that long. I recently did it on PS4 EU despite being 810 on PS4 NA and I'm already up to 180+ and I haven't even been playing on that server a great deal.0 -
Mikel3✭
Or you could spend that time levelling a new toon on the other server. It really doesn't take that long. I recently did it on PS4 EU despite being 810 on PS4 NA and I'm already up to 180+ and I haven't even been playing on that server a great deal.
Levelling up said toon still does not bring back what i have originally on my toon which is stuck in the EU. Its still time consumed on your own leveling up before you can manage to go join your friends on the high end dungeon runs, PVP runs or partaking in events where you simply can't really do a high impact in a 'elite dungeon' run when you're gonna be a lvl 30 runt. You're gonna be a burden to everyone.
Not to mention all the cosmetics and sets you'd have to grind for all over again once you actually manage to reach to the CP levels.
>It's highly time consuming to start from scratch.
>> It is a lot better if you could continue off with the toon you already have.
>>> If you enjoy deleting your toon's and start over from scratch without anything you gained in the past, good for you same does not apply to me.
>>>> I enjoy the items, memento's and other animated / cosmetic bragging rights i've acquired whether through events or by crates.
>>>>>No i don't feel like spending another 150 euros to gamble on getting the same items from crates i'd already have on the main toon i'm more than comfortable with.
<> Toon transfers should be a thing. I'm happy to be able to support the idea and i will continue on doing so.0 -
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Actually, we know why they cannot transfer anything. It says very clearly it in that same help article. Also, the same person is in charge today that was in charge when Zos originally stated they have not and do not plan to build the tool required for transferring between live servers.
Also, there does not seem to be much of a push to bring this about as these threads never seem to get much support.
So again, you can wait or take matters into your own hands. All we are pointing out, logically speaking, is it appears you will have a very long wait.
These types of threads do seem to come up every week or two. Where there is a will there is way. Right now, ZOS has no will but some players have the desire. No harm in asking even if it is on a weekly basis. Never say never, Dragons taught us that along with alliance change.
Be safe and have fun
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✭The simple answer is there are six separate databases, each database will have multiple tables within it linked be unique identifiers. Except you have the potential for each unique identifier to exist six times, once per database.
You then want to move player X from database A to database B. Player X has 18 characters, 6 of them have name clashes with players in database B. He has thousands of items all with identifiers attached. Those identifiers already exist in database B and therefore they all need changing to new identifiers.
And each item will have multiple identifiers associated with it across multiple tables. Player X also has all the possible houses which are decorated to a reasonable standard. He expects his houses to come with him in the same state.
More tables with more items with more identifiers associated with them.
Yes it would be possible if a tool was built, but that tool would have to be very very robust as even one missed identifier could corrupt Player Z's character.
Player X as already said has six name clashes, who has to rename the characters? Player X who is moving or Player Y. Player X has used the name since beta and doesn't want to give it up, Player Y on the other hand has only just started playing but named the character after his late wife....
And on top of that once you have done the conversion you then have to insert the characters into the new database - and potentially run into more issues as the new identifiers generated during the conversion have just been issued by database B, resulting in corrupted characters for players Z1, Z3 and Z45.
Yes Zos did it once, they took characters from two existing databases and inserted them into brand new empty databases, and my guess is PCEU went to XboxEU or PS4EU and the NA database went to the NA databases - so no potential clash of names / identifiers.
I'm no coding expert so have no idea how much work it would be but I do work with and understand databases and can only see it as being a massive piece of work with huge potential to cause massive massive issues to those playing the game as it has to keep getting taken offline to fix the issues caused by conversions....1 -
Mikel3✭
These types of threads do seem to come up every week or two. Where there is a will there is way. Right now, ZOS has no will but some players have the desire. No harm in asking even if it is on a weekly basis. Never say never, Dragons taught us that along with alliance change.
Be safe and have fun
Thank you, at least someone who's not out to outright deny that there's people wanting a change.0 -
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Thank you, at least someone who's not out to outright deny that there's people wanting a change.
Please quote the passage where someone in this thread suggested no one wanted this change? I have not read it but you claim it has been said here.
Most of the post has merely pointed out the reality that you will likely be waiting years for Zos to change their mind.0 -
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✭✭✭I'll be honest, I'll be raging if this happens in a few months. I'm swapping over to xbox this gen and I'm leaving behind 1300cp, tons of mats, mounts, achievements, a master crafter etc etc etc. Add to that, I've spent more money than I care to even think about on that ps4 account. I've gave away all my valuable stuff to others who will remain on the PS platform.
I've dusted down my old Xbone so i can get a head start building my new crafter. That means doing a lot of god awful quests and shard hunting for skill points. I have next to no mats and certainly no gold. My toon is dressed in all sorts of special because I simply can't craft anything yet. It will be tough, but in the grand scheme of life it's irrelevant. But will be annoying asf if they do decide to do it.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on October 6, 2020 9:10PM1 -
Mikel3✭
Please quote the passage where someone in this thread suggested no one wanted this change? I have not read it but you claim it has been said here.
Most of the post has merely pointed out the reality that you will likely be waiting years for Zos to change their mind.
in the first page or inbetween the messages that have been sent here give me the image that some people in this topic alone have given me said 'image' that they do not want nor support towards character transfers.
I'd show you but i do not know how to quote people's messages separately.
It's not an indirect saying but the kind of way of putting out certain words or phrases at me for me trying to point out the reasons "why" I had replies that felt rather negative in posture... i don't know whether it is because i'm understanding what's written to me differently/Wrong which is a possibility.0 -
Mikel3✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I'll be honest, I'll be raging if this happens in a few months. I'm swapping over to xbox this gen and I'm leaving behind 1300cp, tons of mats, mounts, achievements, a master crafter etc etc etc. Add to that, I've spent more money than I care to even think about on that ps4 account. I've gave away all my valuable stuff to others who will remain on the PS platform.
I've dusted down my old Xbone so i can get a head start building my new crafter. That means doing a lot of god awful quests and shard hunting for skill points. I have next to no mats and certainly no gold. My toon is dressed in all sorts of special because I simply can't craft anything yet. It will be tough, but in the grand scheme of life it's irrelevant. But will be annoying asf if they do decide to do it.
More reason transfers in general should be supported, it creates less frustration and a immense feel of loss over what you've gained through out the time you've played the game with your toon(s)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Mikel3 - I did numerous transfers when I played WoW and RIFT (WoW from 2006-2013, RIFT from 2013-2016). I was happy to pay for them. There were reasons for doing transfers in those games, because they weren't "megaserver'd" games - there were many different servers, and while trying to get some breathing room from family members (I ran "family and friends" guilds in both games - and everyone always knew when I was on, so I just wanted "down time" *sigh*) I spent a lot of money to get space to just play alone.
There's nothing wrong with wanting transfers. I tend to think ZOS isn't very interested though - for one thing, knowing quite a bit about databases, I believe that the DB structure on megaservers is quite different from the "single realm" sort of servers used by those other games I played.
And believe me when I say that if you blow one tiny punctuation character when dealing with a database change, your entire player base is going to suffer. It's a case of ZOS looking at what it takes to move full tables from one place to another place entirely - without bollixing a major part of their playing community.0 -
Mikel3✭[Sylvermynx wrote: »@Mikel3 - I did numerous transfers when I played WoW and RIFT (WoW from 2006-2013, RIFT from 2013-2016). I was happy to pay for them. There were reasons for doing transfers in those games, because they weren't "megaserver'd" games - there were many different servers, and while trying to get some breathing room from family members (I ran "family and friends" guilds in both games - and everyone always knew when I was on, so I just wanted "down time" *sigh*) I spent a lot of money to get space to just play alone.
There's nothing wrong with wanting transfers. I tend to think ZOS isn't very interested though - for one thing, knowing quite a bit about databases, I believe that the DB structure on megaservers is quite different from the "single realm" sort of servers used by those other games I played.
And believe me when I say that if you blow one tiny punctuation character when dealing with a database change, your entire player base is going to suffer. It's a case of ZOS looking at what it takes to move full tables from one place to another place entirely - without bollixing a major part of their playing community.
So in short terms of saying i should just give up and leave it and pack my bags and quit, as i then simply can't return to ESO because theres really then no point of trying?
I really can't do much then than point at ZOS for a poor choice of doing things from the start is what i'm understanding?
But it's either getting my freedom to continue my toon(s) with my friends on another server where they were originally at or just stop caring all together, as this game would at this point become just very reduntant for me. I Simply do not have the motivation to start from scratch as i have pointed out earlier.
I mean if transferring a character is such a big deal why not then give the possibility to have the items sent through in-game mail from A to B and have the originals removed from A?
But i guess that's also not gonna happen as theres still a statement where they don't provide 'item' transfers although at that point it would be more of a "spawned in" items and "transfered" by mail type of a deal.
If i could keep the wealth and cosmetic bragging rights both earned through events and achievements + all the grinded gear and receive them over to my toon in server B and have them removed from A. I'd be fine with that as well. But i guess that's not gonna happen so i don't know then.
All i can is to hope to keep hoping for -on platform PC- character transfers between EU/NA.
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✭✭✭✭✭No, that's not what I was saying. I was trying to point out to you why a "simple transfer" doesn't seem so simple when you consider the relevant database issues.
I'm going to PM you with a suggestion. Please don't simply ignore my PM.0 -
Mikel3✭Sylvermynx wrote: »I'm going to PM you with a suggestion. Please don't simply ignore my PM.
If you are sending me a privateM i won't ignore it. Just waiting it to pop and appear.0
