xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »Love it or hate it, proc sets are really good right now. Now you can continue to go on the forums and vent and maybe that works for you, but I would suggest working on a solution. Whether that be using proc sets yourself or finding a setup/build that can kick their asses. Ask really good players on your faction how they deal with procs and work it into your build. Use proc sets yourself, bad players with proc sets still lose to good players with proc sets. I know us nightblades can just cloak to ignore proc sets and I have seen stamdens and stamcros just straight up heal through it. There is after all no guarantee that proc meta is going away next patch and you will need to adapt eventually. The next meta might be even worse then this one!
Use proc sets yourself and watch how good opponents deal with the dots. I am often surprised just how much heals most stamina classes can dish out when I am dotting them to hell. I can say from experience that good opponents aren't free kills with proc sets because they have learned to deal with it and you can too. They usually use a combination of los and good heals to survive the dots while avoiding additional burst. The players I destroy are the ones that stand out in the open and I manage to kite at max range. Only once have I seen a stamsorc use purge to counter my dots, but its a pretty rubbish counter.
xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »Love it or hate it, proc sets are really good right now. Now you can continue to go on the forums and vent and maybe that works for you, but I would suggest working on a solution. Whether that be using proc sets yourself or finding a setup/build that can kick their asses. Ask really good players on your faction how they deal with procs and work it into your build. Use proc sets yourself, bad players with proc sets still lose to good players with proc sets. I know us nightblades can just cloak to ignore proc sets and I have seen stamdens and stamcros just straight up heal through it. There is after all no guarantee that proc meta is going away next patch and you will need to adapt eventually. The next meta might be even worse then this one!
Use proc sets yourself and watch how good opponents deal with the dots. I am often surprised just how much heals most stamina classes can dish out when I am dotting them to hell. I can say from experience that good opponents aren't free kills with proc sets because they have learned to deal with it and you can too. They usually use a combination of los and good heals to survive the dots while avoiding additional burst. The players I destroy are the ones that stand out in the open and I manage to kite at max range. Only once have I seen a stamsorc use purge to counter my dots, but its a pretty rubbish counter.
Good players are "dealing with the procs" by not playing the game. It doesn't matter how good your setup is or how good you are at the game when one dude wearing 2-3 procs is outdpsing your collective healing by light attacking you. If that guy is present in an Xv1 scenario, you don't stand a chance. Those same procs don't work on a solo build in IC/cyrodiil; you sacrifice all of your stats to get your damage from proc sets, you can't survive getting hit by more than one person, and you can't control the procs nearly as well as the guy xv1ing you who only has one target.
The balance of these procs is terrible. They need to re work procs so that they conform to the following ruleset.
1. No proc set should be affected by Malacath
2. No lingering proc set should stack on a person from multiple people - i.e, I shouldn't be able to have 2x hunters, 2x sheers, 2x zaans, etc on me simultaneously.
3. Procs should scale with your offensive stats. Any damage dealing proc should have it's damage scale with your max stat/higher damage value. They could even deal more damage on the high end when used by full damage builds, but they shouldn't deal the same value on a setup with 40k HP, 1.7k weapon and spell damage, and 20k max stats.
It just amazes me that people defend these procs like the issue is people not adapting. It really does show a lack of experience.
xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »Love it or hate it, proc sets are really good right now. Now you can continue to go on the forums and vent and maybe that works for you, but I would suggest working on a solution. Whether that be using proc sets yourself or finding a setup/build that can kick their asses. Ask really good players on your faction how they deal with procs and work it into your build. Use proc sets yourself, bad players with proc sets still lose to good players with proc sets. I know us nightblades can just cloak to ignore proc sets and I have seen stamdens and stamcros just straight up heal through it. There is after all no guarantee that proc meta is going away next patch and you will need to adapt eventually. The next meta might be even worse then this one!
Use proc sets yourself and watch how good opponents deal with the dots. I am often surprised just how much heals most stamina classes can dish out when I am dotting them to hell. I can say from experience that good opponents aren't free kills with proc sets because they have learned to deal with it and you can too. They usually use a combination of los and good heals to survive the dots while avoiding additional burst. The players I destroy are the ones that stand out in the open and I manage to kite at max range. Only once have I seen a stamsorc use purge to counter my dots, but its a pretty rubbish counter.
Good players are "dealing with the procs" by not playing the game. It doesn't matter how good your setup is or how good you are at the game when one dude wearing 2-3 procs is outdpsing your collective healing by light attacking you. If that guy is present in an Xv1 scenario, you don't stand a chance. Those same procs don't work on a solo build in IC/cyrodiil; you sacrifice all of your stats to get your damage from proc sets, you can't survive getting hit by more than one person, and you can't control the procs nearly as well as the guy xv1ing you who only has one target.
The balance of these procs is terrible. They need to re work procs so that they conform to the following ruleset.
1. No proc set should be affected by Malacath
2. No lingering proc set should stack on a person from multiple people - i.e, I shouldn't be able to have 2x hunters, 2x sheers, 2x zaans, etc on me simultaneously.
3. Procs should scale with your offensive stats. Any damage dealing proc should have it's damage scale with your max stat/higher damage value. They could even deal more damage on the high end when used by full damage builds, but they shouldn't deal the same value on a setup with 40k HP, 1.7k weapon and spell damage, and 20k max stats.
It just amazes me that people defend these procs like the issue is people not adapting. It really does show a lack of experience.
xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »Love it or hate it, proc sets are really good right now. Now you can continue to go on the forums and vent and maybe that works for you, but I would suggest working on a solution. Whether that be using proc sets yourself or finding a setup/build that can kick their asses. Ask really good players on your faction how they deal with procs and work it into your build. Use proc sets yourself, bad players with proc sets still lose to good players with proc sets. I know us nightblades can just cloak to ignore proc sets and I have seen stamdens and stamcros just straight up heal through it. There is after all no guarantee that proc meta is going away next patch and you will need to adapt eventually. The next meta might be even worse then this one!
Use proc sets yourself and watch how good opponents deal with the dots. I am often surprised just how much heals most stamina classes can dish out when I am dotting them to hell. I can say from experience that good opponents aren't free kills with proc sets because they have learned to deal with it and you can too. They usually use a combination of los and good heals to survive the dots while avoiding additional burst. The players I destroy are the ones that stand out in the open and I manage to kite at max range. Only once have I seen a stamsorc use purge to counter my dots, but its a pretty rubbish counter.
Good players are "dealing with the procs" by not playing the game. It doesn't matter how good your setup is or how good you are at the game when one dude wearing 2-3 procs is outdpsing your collective healing by light attacking you. If that guy is present in an Xv1 scenario, you don't stand a chance. Those same procs don't work on a solo build in IC/cyrodiil; you sacrifice all of your stats to get your damage from proc sets, you can't survive getting hit by more than one person, and you can't control the procs nearly as well as the guy xv1ing you who only has one target.
The balance of these procs is terrible. They need to re work procs so that they conform to the following ruleset.
1. No proc set should be affected by Malacath
2. No lingering proc set should stack on a person from multiple people - i.e, I shouldn't be able to have 2x hunters, 2x sheers, 2x zaans, etc on me simultaneously.
3. Procs should scale with your offensive stats. Any damage dealing proc should have it's damage scale with your max stat/higher damage value. They could even deal more damage on the high end when used by full damage builds, but they shouldn't deal the same value on a setup with 40k HP, 1.7k weapon and spell damage, and 20k max stats.
It just amazes me that people defend these procs like the issue is people not adapting. It really does show a lack of experience.
I am not defending proc sets, I just know for a fact that I fight people that don't seem too bothered by a couple extra dots on them. I run two different setups in cyrodiil, one with sheer+venomous and one with swamp raider+new moon and they both got pros and cons. Sometimes I need more burst to kill someone instantly and sometimes I need to dot someone so they cant run away behind walls to avoid damage or block with a shield. Those are the biggest differences I have noticed from running both setups. I like having the dot setup, but I could easily live without it and just go even harder into a burst setup. The point I was making is that venting on the forums doesn't stop procs from killing you and its better to ask for help.
I was having problems killing rollerblades and I came on these very forums and humbly asked for guidance. Now I can kill that same rollerblade without trouble and maybe that is what you fellas got to do. Don't put yourself into Xv1 situations [snip].
xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »Love it or hate it, proc sets are really good right now. Now you can continue to go on the forums and vent and maybe that works for you, but I would suggest working on a solution. Whether that be using proc sets yourself or finding a setup/build that can kick their asses. Ask really good players on your faction how they deal with procs and work it into your build. Use proc sets yourself, bad players with proc sets still lose to good players with proc sets. I know us nightblades can just cloak to ignore proc sets and I have seen stamdens and stamcros just straight up heal through it. There is after all no guarantee that proc meta is going away next patch and you will need to adapt eventually. The next meta might be even worse then this one!
Use proc sets yourself and watch how good opponents deal with the dots. I am often surprised just how much heals most stamina classes can dish out when I am dotting them to hell. I can say from experience that good opponents aren't free kills with proc sets because they have learned to deal with it and you can too. They usually use a combination of los and good heals to survive the dots while avoiding additional burst. The players I destroy are the ones that stand out in the open and I manage to kite at max range. Only once have I seen a stamsorc use purge to counter my dots, but its a pretty rubbish counter.
Good players are "dealing with the procs" by not playing the game. It doesn't matter how good your setup is or how good you are at the game when one dude wearing 2-3 procs is outdpsing your collective healing by light attacking you. If that guy is present in an Xv1 scenario, you don't stand a chance. Those same procs don't work on a solo build in IC/cyrodiil; you sacrifice all of your stats to get your damage from proc sets, you can't survive getting hit by more than one person, and you can't control the procs nearly as well as the guy xv1ing you who only has one target.
The balance of these procs is terrible. They need to re work procs so that they conform to the following ruleset.
1. No proc set should be affected by Malacath
2. No lingering proc set should stack on a person from multiple people - i.e, I shouldn't be able to have 2x hunters, 2x sheers, 2x zaans, etc on me simultaneously.
3. Procs should scale with your offensive stats. Any damage dealing proc should have it's damage scale with your max stat/higher damage value. They could even deal more damage on the high end when used by full damage builds, but they shouldn't deal the same value on a setup with 40k HP, 1.7k weapon and spell damage, and 20k max stats.
It just amazes me that people defend these procs like the issue is people not adapting. It really does show a lack of experience.
I am not defending proc sets, I just know for a fact that I fight people that don't seem too bothered by a couple extra dots on them. I run two different setups in cyrodiil, one with sheer+venomous and one with swamp raider+new moon and they both got pros and cons. Sometimes I need more burst to kill someone instantly and sometimes I need to dot someone so they cant run away behind walls to avoid damage or block with a shield. Those are the biggest differences I have noticed from running both setups. I like having the dot setup, but I could easily live without it and just go even harder into a burst setup. The point I was making is that venting on the forums doesn't stop procs from killing you and its better to ask for help.
I was having problems killing rollerblades and I came on these very forums and humbly asked for guidance. Now I can kill that same rollerblade without trouble and maybe that is what you fellas got to do. Don't put yourself into Xv1 situations [snip]
Waffennacht wrote: »The counter is to no longer run a classic damage oriented build.
You're wanting 30k+ health, with max resistance, and other mitigation forms
Or
A Gank build
Or
A similar proc build.
pauld1_ESO wrote: »I simply asked if him not being able to 2v1 is the issue here? Because he took damage from two players in this recap. How is that baiting?
On another note, I got killed with 24k damage from a Soul Assault in 3 ticks. How is that okay?