Do I need to be afraid? (solo)

HunterTheCapricorn

I'm actaully 100% solo in this game as I still couldn't find like minded people and i#m paranoid and anxoious about everyone else around me silently judging me.
I finally started ESO about a year ago because the Elder Scrolls series has become one of my favorite franchises ever and I finally had a decent PC and the opportunity to play ESO despite always being interested but for reasons mentioned it was pretty late. I do have experience in other MMOs such as GW1, GW2 and others that i don't want to mentoioned because advertising isn't allowed in the forums. I'm actually only solo and not that active allthough I'd like to be more active but I can't find like minded people and paranoia and anxiety screws my experience over.
I'm currently maining warden (no bear as bear has a bad aftertaste from other games for me) which is a total glasscannon and does like 10k to 15k damage and one or two shots bosses mostly but as I said, I'm a complete glasscannon and I can die in a few hits because I'm afraid that I'd need to one shot everything like everyone else or people would jufge me. I don't know how the benchmarks in ESO are as the usual benchmarks in games like GW2 are like 30+k or 40+k and i also don't have eso plus because i can't afford subscription fees and thus don't have DLC meta gear and also I'm solo. I even soled a lot of dungeons and world bosses easily so far despite all that but I'm still very afraid of that and I'd like to enjoy the game more. Hopefully with people who are like minded according to my looking for group post I made way back earlier. I could link the post but I'm not sure if that is allowed.

FriedEggSandwich

Hi, which platform and server are you on?

kinguardian

Heey if you are on pc eu please come to the Wings of Wind guild. Lots of beginners and when we do trials etc the guildmaster talks you trough it. No judging there and believe me I was like you and now after 6 years I am a member of a guild LOL

If you are on pc eu shoot me a mail my ingame name is @kinguardian and then I send you a link to the guild.

Everest_Lionheart

Seems a lot of people have anxiety about that bear because of the other game. So you’ll find like minded people quite easily just based on that alone!

Honestly if you end up joining with a group of people and they ridicule you instead of helping you to get better at the game than that isn’t a group of people you would ever want to run with anyway. For the most part however, outside of some super “elite minded” players, the ESO community is mostly friendly and willing to help you get better. Many of the games best players are humble enough to play with you and show you the ropes. Some are nice enough to give you strong equipment to progress your build faster.

So don’t be afraid to join a group or ask for help. Nobody here really bites, unless you ask them to! 😆

(Werewolf and Vamp people...sheesh!)

Nestor

It is really hard to find trollish players in the game.

Recapitated

Join a beginner-friendly guild. For what it's worth if you're soloing world bosses and dungeons you already are MUCH quicker on your feet than the average DPS pug and people will be grateful for that.

It's normal for DPS to be glass canons. It's the tank's job to eat most of the damage. Healers will keep you alive through anything that is practically unavoidable, and your job will be to avoid what's avoidable, especially one-shots.

You may make some mistakes in dungeons as you're learning the mechs with a group, but that's the only way there is to learn — everyone's been there. If you tell your guild members that you're still learning, they'll be forgiving since someone had to group with them while they learned once upon a time. Beginner-friendly guilds see new players all the time so they kind of know what to expect both in terms of skill and nervousness. They'll fill in the gaps with regards to your rotation, animation cancelling etc.

Also, warden tanks and healers are more valuable than DPS, unfortunately stamden is bad in PvE but tanks are always in demand. Consider changing your spec after you've familiarized yourself with group play somewhat.

HunterTheCapricorn

Recapitated wrote: »

Join a beginner-friendly guild. For what it's worth if you're soloing world bosses and dungeons you already are MUCH quicker on your feet than the average DPS pug and people will be grateful for that.

It's normal for DPS to be glass canons. It's the tank's job to eat most of the damage. Healers will keep you alive through anything that is practically unavoidable, and your job will be to avoid what's avoidable, especially one-shots.

You may make some mistakes in dungeons as you're learning the mechs with a group, but that's the only way there is to learn — everyone's been there. If you tell your guild members that you're still learning, they'll be forgiving since someone had to group with them while they learned once upon a time. Beginner-friendly guilds see new players all the time so they kind of know what to expect both in terms of skill and nervousness. They'll fill in the gaps with regards to your rotation, animation cancelling etc.

Also, warden tanks and healers are more valuable than DPS, unfortunately stamden is bad in PvE but tanks are always in demand. Consider changing your spec after you've familiarized yourself with group play somewhat.

The thing is that I don't want to join a guild because first of all I'm not a beginner as you assumed and I'd probably be too inactive for a guild. My other problem with guilds is that I can never seem to find a fitting and right guild and I have lots of bad experiences with that in other games already but at least I know the community of them better and thus know where the toxic people are and how to avoid them. And yes, I know that warden is usually a healer and I'm a healer main in every other game too but this class seems to me as the one that can survive solo the best for me due to the heal abilities. And no, I don't plan on group content with people I don't know.

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Hi, which platform and server are you on?

Hey, I'm on EU PC. Feel free to check that looking for people post I've made a time ago for some more information.

[Edit to remove bait]

erliesc

I'm on NA PC and I play alone and like it. I use an armor set that allows sneaking at the regular pace and use invisibility potions...so I can get to the shards and manage most overland delves..can manage most group delves if I only go after the shards...except for the one involving werewolves in Craglorn...I can't seem to get the shard...but I think I've figured out how...buy getting offed...and then positioning to respawn right next to the shard...I think if I can get it started they can't do anything. A lot of work to get to the shard though.

I like the slower pace and use of strategy with this kind of playing. Many times I can remember starting a delve and having another player run past...most trying to get through the delve as fast as possible...I guess to go on to the next one.

I done a few group delves and it just involves following someone and doing as much DPS as possible.

I craft a lot and am always farming mats...so I'm slow through the delves. If I actually knew someone from outside the game and could delve and roam together...it would be interesting...though I've occasionally grouped with players in a delve. I also followed groups of players without grouping.

If you slow down and enjoy the game...IMO...it's more worthwhile.

I play ESO like it's a game...not a job....for some reason.... Cause it is???

bellatrixed

At the risk of coming across as inflammatory, it's statistically impossible that every single guild someone joins is toxic and unwelcoming. There are plenty of casual, solo-focused, beginner friendly guilds out there. That's the type of guild where you'd find a good experience and likeminded people, but not if you take offense to the very suggestion and label the people attempting to help you as toxic.

HunterTheCapricorn wrote: »

The thing is that I don't want to join a guild because first of all I'm not a beginner as you assumed and I'd probably be too inactive for a guild. My other problem with guilds is that I can never seem to find a fitting and right guild and I have lots of bad experiences with that in other games already but at least I know the community of them better and thus know where the toxic people are and how to avoid them. And yes, I know that warden is usually a healer and I'm a healer main in every other game too but this class seems to me as the one that can survive solo the best for me due to the heal abilities. And no, I don't plan on group content with people I don't know. Now stop being toxic and stop making assumptions about me. The same goes for othershere making same accusations.

There was absolutely nothing toxic said to you in the post you quoted, or the rest of the thread for that matter. The only one being toxic here is you. Seriously.

I've played since launch but hate raids so I haven't touched one. If I wanted to do a raid, I'd be a beginner to raids despite how many hours I've played the rest of the game. Same goes for you--if you haven't done group content, you're a beginner to it. How is 'beginner' insulting?

Yes, there will always be jerks in MMOs who kick people from dungeons for not having great DPS or something. But you can get around that by joining a guild of casual players and not taking your chances with random PUGs. But if you're the sort of person who labels people taking time out of their day to help as toxic I suppose I can see why you feel like people are judging you. Maybe they're judging you for your prickly attitude and not your DPS.

MrBrownstone

Some actual tips:

- Practicing a bit to improve your damage and learn basic combat mechanics is much easier than you think.
- If you don't own any DLC then you don't need to care too much about your performance since DLC itself is the difficult content where you need high dps. Base game content can be done without too much trouble unless you're literally afk. I encounter some really bad players in random dungeons and we still finish it. I only kick people in DLC content where it's really stressful to carry someone in there.
- 99% of the players won't care about your performance and even if someone cares, worst case scenario you'll get kicked and then you can queue again. They will forget about you 3 seconds after the kick so you shouldn't care much either.

You don't encounter toxic people if you perform bad. Actually, it's the opposite! Whenever someone is bad, in my experience, others always try to give helpful tips and get toxic answers as a result.

For example once I was in a DLC dungeon, healer was spamming Regeneration. No, they didn't have SPC. They just tried to heal us spamming it. I -seriously, very kindly- explained that it's actually a heal over time skill and casting it again in the next 10 seconds won't do anything, the dude was just like "don't tell me how to play" and tried to votekick me. With the vote failing, the dude just left. Ofc I got hate whispers after.

No, the more experienced "elitist" players are not the toxic ones most of the time, it's the opposite. People can't take an advice and can't stand someone else trying to help them. I hate that kind of ignorance.

So I'm going to make an accusation here: I think you're one of these people who get offended when others give tips. If you're not, I apologise. I'm just assuming based on your previous comment where you called the dude toxic.

Husan

I'll just leave this here:
"If you run into an *** in the morning, you ran into an ***. If you run into *** all day, you're the ***."

BomblePants

Dude.... you seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. Maybe stop assuming people are about to think bad about you... Most people here really do want to help as much or as little as is needed, but you know... be kind and you’ll get kind back....

ArchMikem

To just strictly answer the OPs title question, no. You have MMO experience and ESO's overland quest content is a push over most of the time. Once you accumulate Champion Points you'll be back here complaining everything is too easy.

HunterTheCapricorn

My actual point of this whole discussion was if I need to worry about DPS because I hate it when people are around me and attack the same stuff as me when I can do everything alone and I don't need anyone's "help".
I can even solo dungeons when being drunk just fine.
I'm very anxious and paranoid that everyone will judge me by closely observing everything I do and that I can't just one shot the highest tier (I think it was a orange border on the health bar) bosses like everyone else rushing through content.
I don't want to rush, I actually want to enjoy this game, but it's very hard due to those toxic people judging me.
Sure, they don't say anything but I'm 100% sure everyone is silently judging me behind their screen.

BejaProphet

HunterTheCapricorn wrote: »

My actual point of this whole discussion was if I need to worry about DPS because I hate it when people are around me and attack the same stuff as me when I can do everything alone and I don't need anyone's "help".
I can even solo dungeons when being drunk just fine.
I'm very anxious and paranoid that everyone will judge me by closely observing everything I do and that I can't just one shot the highest tier (I think it was a orange border on the health bar) bosses like everyone else rushing through content.
I don't want to rush, I actually want to enjoy this game, but it's very hard due to those toxic people judging me.
Sure, they don't say anything but I'm 100% sure everyone is silently judging me behind their screen.

If you meant 10-15k DPS, yes, some people will judge you. I’m not sure if that’s what you meant though.

But for general life advice, people are thinking about you way way less than you suppose. They are far more likely thinking about how they themselves are appearing to others. Go figure.

Danikat

HunterTheCapricorn wrote: »

I don't know how the benchmarks in ESO are as the usual benchmarks in games like GW2 are like 30+k or 40+k

You can't compare DPS numbers across games because they're designed very differently. World of Warcraft players can achieve DPS scores over 100k, but that doesn't mean everyone in GW2 or ESO is terrible at playing those games because the numbers are lower - it just means they're using an entirely seperate system which isn't directly comparable. It's the same between GW2 and ESO; what's good in one game is meaningless in another.

Think of it like sports - a score of 2-1 is really good in soccer but if you're playing rugby or basketball it would be almost impossible to get a score that low and both teams would have played really badly if it happened. It doesn't mean soccer teams are all worse than rugby or basketball teams, just that they're playing different games with different scoring systems.

If you want to know how you compare to other players I recommend looking up ESO warden benchmarks. I'd recommend some but honestly I don't know of any because I tend to take the opposite approach - if the enemy dies before me then I did enough damage and that's all I need to know, so I never worry about the exact numbers.

HunterTheCapricorn wrote: »

My actual point of this whole discussion was if I need to worry about DPS because I hate it when people are around me and attack the same stuff as me when I can do everything alone and I don't need anyone's "help".
I can even solo dungeons when being drunk just fine.
I'm very anxious and paranoid that everyone will judge me by closely observing everything I do and that I can't just one shot the highest tier (I think it was a orange border on the health bar) bosses like everyone else rushing through content.
I don't want to rush, I actually want to enjoy this game, but it's very hard due to those toxic people judging me.
Sure, they don't say anything but I'm 100% sure everyone is silently judging me behind their screen.

I realise this is not remotely as easy to do as it is to say but I think you need to stop worrying about what other players think of you. Chances are they don't think about you at all.

They're not attacking the same enemies you are because they think you need help but because this game doesn't have kill or loot stealing so there's no downside to fighting the same enemy as someone else and it's faster, so they'll get loot and XP sooner if they do it while you're already attacking. Especially if it's a boss where waiting for you to finish doing it solo would then also mean waiting around for the boss to respawn before they can even start.

Alternatively you might occasionally find someone is already waiting by the boss and they start attacking when you do. In that case it's probably someone like me who can't solo the boss and whose only oppertunity to kill it at all is to do it while someone else is there.

I know it's hard to accept but most people really don't care about random strangers online and don't have the time or inclincation to follow them around silently judging everything they do, because it's irrelevant to anyone except the person doing it. On the rare occasions you do meet a toxic, judgemental person in an online game believe me you'll know about it because they do not do it silently. If someone is staying silent and just playing the game in the same place you are it's safe to assume they aren't paying any special attention to what you're doing and are instead focusing on what they're doing.

FriedEggSandwich

HunterTheCapricorn wrote: »

My actual point of this whole discussion was if I need to worry about DPS because I hate it when people are around me and attack the same stuff as me when I can do everything alone and I don't need anyone's "help".
I can even solo dungeons when being drunk just fine.
I'm very anxious and paranoid that everyone will judge me by closely observing everything I do and that I can't just one shot the highest tier (I think it was a orange border on the health bar) bosses like everyone else rushing through content.
I don't want to rush, I actually want to enjoy this game, but it's very hard due to those toxic people judging me.
Sure, they don't say anything but I'm 100% sure everyone is silently judging me behind their screen.

Just play at 3am during the week. I work 5 nights per week and so have to play at this time, and I hardly see anyone. People can't judge you if they're asleep.

BomblePants

You know... most people are so busy thinking about themselves they don’t give us awkward feeling ones a thought....

Jeremy

HunterTheCapricorn wrote: »

I'm actaully 100% solo in this game as I still couldn't find like minded people and i#m paranoid and anxoious about everyone else around me silently judging me.
I finally started ESO about a year ago because the Elder Scrolls series has become one of my favorite franchises ever and I finally had a decent PC and the opportunity to play ESO despite always being interested but for reasons mentioned it was pretty late. I do have experience in other MMOs such as GW1, GW2 and others that i don't want to mentoioned because advertising isn't allowed in the forums. I'm actually only solo and not that active allthough I'd like to be more active but I can't find like minded people and paranoia and anxiety screws my experience over.
I'm currently maining warden (no bear as bear has a bad aftertaste from other games for me) which is a total glasscannon and does like 10k to 15k damage and one or two shots bosses mostly but as I said, I'm a complete glasscannon and I can die in a few hits because I'm afraid that I'd need to one shot everything like everyone else or people would jufge me. I don't know how the benchmarks in ESO are as the usual benchmarks in games like GW2 are like 30+k or 40+k and i also don't have eso plus because i can't afford subscription fees and thus don't have DLC meta gear and also I'm solo. I even soled a lot of dungeons and world bosses easily so far despite all that but I'm still very afraid of that and I'd like to enjoy the game more. Hopefully with people who are like minded according to my looking for group post I made way back earlier. I could link the post but I'm not sure if that is allowed.

If your question is do you need to be afraid of people judging you if you join a group, then the answer is a definite yes.

In my experience: 15~20k dps is usually sufficient for most veteran dungeon content. 10k is a bit low though. I would try to get that up before joining a group or you'll likely get some judgments. But if it's just normal group content you are contemplating, then I would not worry too much about it.

Sylvermynx

If you're grouping, then yes, peer pressure is an issue. If you're soloing, which is what I get from your posts, then thumb your nose at whoever.

Seriously. I solo. I have satellite for 'net, so my ping is through the roof (well, it's better on HughesNet than it ever was on wildblue, but that's damning with faint praise for true). I'm sure that for instance on my level 35 stamplar, who can hardly kill two cats these days, someone's watching and laughing. I don't care. I don't know them, they don't know me, and I just don't care. Maybe they go back to their mates and laugh about the useless git out there.

*shrug* I don't know. I don't care. I don't - especially I don't - agonize over how others see my characters. In fact.... I don't give a rat's patoot what anyone thinks about me IRL - so I'm not ever going to go there in a game I play to get AWAY from RL!

Now, all that said.... I encourage you to talk to someone about that "peer pressure" issue you seem (by your posts) to have. It's not a good thing - at all. I hope you continue to have fun in this game, and good luck.

MasterSpatula

A good guild is 100% the key to enjoying the group aspects of this game.

Most of the stuff I do is solo, but it can be challenging to enjoy PVP solo. (And if they go through with rumored future changes to make heals and buffs apply only to group members, it'll be nearly impossible to enjoy PVP solo.) Some dungeons can be soloed, though I doubt it's easy to learn how to do this without having done them with a group some times. Harder dungeons, trials, most Group Areas in Craglorn, all require groups.

PUGging is useful and can be a fun, but there's no substitute for doing stuff with people who you know you like and you know will cut you some slack while you're learning.

One of the great things about ESO's Five Guilds thing is that you get to join several guilds and test the waters, see which of them you feel most at home with.

Sylvermynx

Eh, OP already said s/he's not interested in guilds. For the record, neither am I. I'm not social, seems as if OP isn't either.

Recapitated

HunterTheCapricorn wrote: »

My actual point of this whole discussion was if I need to worry about DPS because I hate it when people are around me and attack the same stuff as me when I can do everything alone and I don't need anyone's "help".
I can even solo dungeons when being drunk just fine.
I'm very anxious and paranoid that everyone will judge me by closely observing everything I do and that I can't just one shot the highest tier (I think it was a orange border on the health bar) bosses like everyone else rushing through content.
I don't want to rush, I actually want to enjoy this game, but it's very hard due to those toxic people judging me.
Sure, they don't say anything but I'm 100% sure everyone is silently judging me behind their screen.

I don't understand your question, are you asking if you need to worry about other DPS killing the same enemies as you (you better hope they are in group content...) or are you asking if you do enough DPS?

I understand that you're not a beginner to the game but working with a team is a skill, and you haven't practiced it. But also, beginner-friendly -- which doesn't mean beginner-only -- guilds are going to have lower expectations, so they're not going to judge you for not being perfect. There will be no such thing as "not doing enough DPS", however if your DPS isn't great they will tell you what you're doing wrong and they'll try to help you. And they'll probably expect you to make a good faith effort to implement that advice and get better. They're much more likely to judge you for not being a good neighbour than for not being good enough at the game, so if you join a guild expect to take on some responsibilities.

They also don't tend to rush as much.

danno8

HunterTheCapricorn wrote: »

Sure, they don't say anything but I'm 100% sure everyone is silently judging me behind their screen.

Nobody cares about your killing speed.

Also:



I hope this helps you find some clarity.

rptrainer

I'm sure there's still a lot of good people in eso. I just stay quiet all the time now (based on experience) and just solo everything, not trials though because I never experience any of those.

Solo tank 😊

Juhasow

HunterTheCapricorn wrote: »

My actual point of this whole discussion was if I need to worry about DPS because I hate it when people are around me and attack the same stuff as me when I can do everything alone and I don't need anyone's "help".
I can even solo dungeons when being drunk just fine.
I'm very anxious and paranoid that everyone will judge me by closely observing everything I do and that I can't just one shot the highest tier (I think it was a orange border on the health bar) bosses like everyone else rushing through content.
I don't want to rush, I actually want to enjoy this game, but it's very hard due to those toxic people judging me.
Sure, they don't say anything but I'm 100% sure everyone is silently judging me behind their screen.

If it's overland or normal mode group content (and judging from Your post it is) then nobody cares how You perform or what is Your killing speed. You could come naked and spam light attacks only and there is high chance nobody would care.

lozq

I was bored yesterday and decided to challenge the Vivec guards to a bare knuckles fight. I spent a good ten minutes punching on without weapons, rolling about and shade porting all over the crafting area and I don't think a single person noticed me. Certainly no-one said anything. I then felt silly and swam to Tel Branora.

Legit, no-one gives a toss what you're doing unless it's difficult group content (trials and DLC dungeons) and you're dying every five seconds or pinging away with bow light attacks. I see all flavours of terrible DPS in dungeons when I tank randoms, and it doesn't phase me. If it's truly terrible I'll sneakily swap out some skills and help whack the boss myself.

Sounds harsh, but the truth is NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AT ALL. They're all doing their own stuff. ESPECIALLY in overland areas. PVP can net some salty whispers but that's a different kettle of fish.

Most ESO players don't have perfected raid gear, chase sky-high DPS or have a refined rotation. They log on and play an RPG when they feel like it, and do whatever stuff it is that they fancy - design outfits, furnish houses, go adventuring, collect stuff, hunt achievements, grind XP. If you run into a 1500CP DPS machine in a delve they're not there to laugh at you - they're in there hunting for 'Praxis: Ayleid Sconce, Filigree' and are not in the slightest interested in you or your DPS.

Also regarding guilds...I'm in a trading guild, an Australian guild and a random PVP guild. My involvement with them is limited to selling mats and the odd bit of gear through the trader, and occasionally asking if anyone wants to fill a spot in a dungeon or trial. It's also handy if you've got a random question, want a price check on something or need a hand with a boss. You certainly don't have to be 'social' to benefit from being in a guild and you can leave whenever you want. Once again, no-one will care.

Tldr ~ nobody gives a rats what you do

pihlaja

Juhasow wrote: »

If it's overland or normal mode group content (and judging from Your post it is) then nobody cares how You perform or what is Your killing speed. You could come naked and spam light attacks only and there is high chance nobody would care.

This. Overland literally no one will pay any attention. And if there are more than two players at the same time at the same boss, how should anyone even know how much damage you are doing. There are also several explanations for not doing overly much damage (being healer or tank, levelling some weird skills, etc.), which makes it even more pointless to stare at the numbers. Only time I take a look what others are doing, is at the delve bosses where I tend to hit the boss once and wait until I see that the other person also did at least some damage so they get the loot and delve completion too.

And with the world bosses; as long as there is another player, it’s sufficient enough. I don’t mind doing all the damage, and I literally don’t even care how much the other person is doing, but I’m more than happy to share the incoming damage with someone else.

In dungeons it’s nice if you can contribute something, but most likely in normal mode you’ll end up there with at least two or even three other dd’s or some hybrid builds, and the bosses will be killed anyway and no one bothers to stare the stats or numbers.

hafgood

I've played for a few years now and can state I care not what someone else is hitting number wise.

Like previous posters have said if there are others at a delve boss I will make sure they get a hit in before its killed but if they do more or less damage than me I don't care. I'm not looking at their numbers.

I don't pug dungeons as I do them with friends, we have a laugh and no one is judging the others.

You say you don't have the dlc's so no one is going to care, in the three years I've been playing I've maybe had three or four whispers from other players, and you know what? They are the ones with the problem so they bother me not at all

I don't judge my performance against others, I know there are a lot of better players than me, including some of those I group with regularly. I also know there are a lot worse players than me. And I still group with them, will offer help where I can or suggest other players in the guild they can talk to.

And social guilds won't care if you play daily, weekly or whenever, they will welcome you back when you play, will group with you if you want and help you meet your objectives.

People are generally friendly in this game

mairwen85

kinguardian wrote: »

Heey if you are on pc eu please come to the Wings of Wind guild. Lots of beginners and when we do trials etc the guildmaster talks you trough it. No judging there and believe me I was like you and now after 6 years I am a member of a guild LOL

If you are on pc eu shoot me a mail my ingame name is @kinguardian and then I send you a link to the guild.

Just a side note, this is what I love about this community, strangers offering others a place to learn and be part of something. Whether OP wants that or takes the offer any other way than intended, it's something I like to see.

craybest

You seem like a very capable solo player, I don't get what you're afraid of. You're already better than a large part of the playerbase. Relax and enjoy the game as you want to play it.