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Class Spammables and Design Choices
Artorias24
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Hello,
I wanted to give some Feedback to Class Spammables and discuss the pain Points from most of them. Mainly from a PvP perspektive.
Class Spammables are still a hot topic in my opinion and only 2,5 of 6 classes have actually good ones that are widely used.
Templar:
Jabs are used by both specs. Be it stamina or magicka. Fits the class theme, does decent damage and feels good to use.
Nightblade:
Surprise Attack is a fast hard hitting melee spammable that fits the whole Assassin playstyle very Well. Even the magicka Morph can be used by melee magicka specs and is not super bad. Swallow Soul is the magicka ranged spammable that is still good for magblades despite many nerfs.
Here we are now, two classes with Spammables that at least gets used often cause they are viable and feel satisfying to use. Now we are coming to all the classes that use weapon skills instead of their unique class skills.
Sorcerer:
I guess crystal Fragment is supposed to be the magicka spammable even tho, it cant really be spammed. So its used for additional pressure next to crushing shock or elemental weapon. Not Bad but also not a real spammable.
For stamsorc we have a really similiar skill to the psijic spammable. Buffing the damage for our next heavy or Light attack. I tried it both in pve and pvp and it felt just Bad. Using light attacks as a spammable is just awkward to use. I would very much prefer some summoned weapon that we use to fight our enemies. Like we have in the Singleplayer Games. Can be a toggle to summon the weapon for Like 60 seconds and activating it again will perform a melee Strike with that weapon. Would also really fit into stamsorc that is using summoned weapons to Fight like bound armaments.
Dragonknight:
Magicka has a decent one with Whip but stamina Dragonknight still needs one. And i guess stamwhip will never happen. So stonefist it is. Ranged, melee, aoe, singletarget. That skill has it all and underperforms in every Case (besides trial tanks to buff dps a bit). Stamina Dragonknight is 90% a melee class in pvp from claw and breath being melee skills. Stonefist comes with an initial cast time combined with some aoe stomp to charge three rocks that you then can throw at someone. Since it got put in the game i saw excatly one DK using it in PvP. Damage is weak, feels bad to use and doesnt fit a melee brawler stand your ground class at all. Players asked to be it a real stone fist where we would punch the target with our fist supported by stones and what not. Still we have this super cringe skill that no one is using for damage in PvP. I think that says more then enough. To be a nice skill it could be really a fist punch supported with stones and set the target Off balance after three Hits. Hitting an off Balance target would stun him.
Warden:
Brids are an okayisch ranged spammable for magicka builds (still weapon or guild Spammables are used more often) for stamina they are not very popular. Stamden build mostly for melee and using an ranged skill on a melee character just feels not right at all. But i cant come up with a better spammable for stamden.
Necro:
Necro also has two Spammables, one being ranged and one melee. None of them getting used. Skulls are awful to weave, super slow and damage is also Low. Scythe damage is also Low, misses a lot and looks ugly tbh. From the ranged spammable i would have expected something like the Soul punch from the Game Warframe, the Warframe Nekros. You punch the soul out of someone. Sounds nice right? No, throw some skulls at someone. The scythe could be reworked into a single target execute. Same Animation as the 2h executioner and give it a darker Look, not white glow. Its a dark themed class. (On a side note: the lack of Zombies in the necro toolkit is disgusting. Stamina blastbones would be perfect to be zombies)
So in conclusion. I am very unhappy with most of the Spammables and after Heroic/Ransack got their damage nerfed into the ground you force everyone into using dizzy. Powerbash is also an unused spammable. Why in earth would i want to slap my shield at someone to deal damage instead of hitting him with my Axe/Sword/Mace or so? Who Had this great idea?
I wanted to give some Feedback to Class Spammables and discuss the pain Points from most of them. Mainly from a PvP perspektive.
Class Spammables are still a hot topic in my opinion and only 2,5 of 6 classes have actually good ones that are widely used.
Templar:
Jabs are used by both specs. Be it stamina or magicka. Fits the class theme, does decent damage and feels good to use.
Nightblade:
Surprise Attack is a fast hard hitting melee spammable that fits the whole Assassin playstyle very Well. Even the magicka Morph can be used by melee magicka specs and is not super bad. Swallow Soul is the magicka ranged spammable that is still good for magblades despite many nerfs.
Here we are now, two classes with Spammables that at least gets used often cause they are viable and feel satisfying to use. Now we are coming to all the classes that use weapon skills instead of their unique class skills.
Sorcerer:
I guess crystal Fragment is supposed to be the magicka spammable even tho, it cant really be spammed. So its used for additional pressure next to crushing shock or elemental weapon. Not Bad but also not a real spammable.
For stamsorc we have a really similiar skill to the psijic spammable. Buffing the damage for our next heavy or Light attack. I tried it both in pve and pvp and it felt just Bad. Using light attacks as a spammable is just awkward to use. I would very much prefer some summoned weapon that we use to fight our enemies. Like we have in the Singleplayer Games. Can be a toggle to summon the weapon for Like 60 seconds and activating it again will perform a melee Strike with that weapon. Would also really fit into stamsorc that is using summoned weapons to Fight like bound armaments.
Dragonknight:
Magicka has a decent one with Whip but stamina Dragonknight still needs one. And i guess stamwhip will never happen. So stonefist it is. Ranged, melee, aoe, singletarget. That skill has it all and underperforms in every Case (besides trial tanks to buff dps a bit). Stamina Dragonknight is 90% a melee class in pvp from claw and breath being melee skills. Stonefist comes with an initial cast time combined with some aoe stomp to charge three rocks that you then can throw at someone. Since it got put in the game i saw excatly one DK using it in PvP. Damage is weak, feels bad to use and doesnt fit a melee brawler stand your ground class at all. Players asked to be it a real stone fist where we would punch the target with our fist supported by stones and what not. Still we have this super cringe skill that no one is using for damage in PvP. I think that says more then enough. To be a nice skill it could be really a fist punch supported with stones and set the target Off balance after three Hits. Hitting an off Balance target would stun him.
Warden:
Brids are an okayisch ranged spammable for magicka builds (still weapon or guild Spammables are used more often) for stamina they are not very popular. Stamden build mostly for melee and using an ranged skill on a melee character just feels not right at all. But i cant come up with a better spammable for stamden.
Necro:
Necro also has two Spammables, one being ranged and one melee. None of them getting used. Skulls are awful to weave, super slow and damage is also Low. Scythe damage is also Low, misses a lot and looks ugly tbh. From the ranged spammable i would have expected something like the Soul punch from the Game Warframe, the Warframe Nekros. You punch the soul out of someone. Sounds nice right? No, throw some skulls at someone. The scythe could be reworked into a single target execute. Same Animation as the 2h executioner and give it a darker Look, not white glow. Its a dark themed class. (On a side note: the lack of Zombies in the necro toolkit is disgusting. Stamina blastbones would be perfect to be zombies)
So in conclusion. I am very unhappy with most of the Spammables and after Heroic/Ransack got their damage nerfed into the ground you force everyone into using dizzy. Powerbash is also an unused spammable. Why in earth would i want to slap my shield at someone to deal damage instead of hitting him with my Axe/Sword/Mace or so? Who Had this great idea?
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✭sDK has worst class spammable in ESO.
but that is not an issue, since it has worst mobility as well.
and with upcoming changes, it is a strong contender for worst stam spec in game.
on the other hand I am positive if they really try they could nerf it even more.
Such is a fate of non p2w classAwake, but at what cost0