Dungeon Finder with Party of Three

Callous_Hades

I know there are already many posts criticising the dungeon finder but I didn’t find anything on this particular issue:

Does the dungeon finder hate parties of three?

We are three friends playing together and have a tank, a healer and a DPS for group content. I thought that given the abundance of DPS players we would have no problem finding a 2nd DPS to join the party, but the dungeon finder routinely fails to find one. We queued for 35 minutes before giving up and reforming the party with a new leader (in case it was bugged) and tried again but still nothing after 30 minutes. However, we tested queuing with a party of two (tested tank + DPS & tank + healer combinations) and it was instant (less than 5 seconds) to find the two other roles. This has occurred on multiple nights and isn’t a one off occurrence.

This seems to leave two options, either no one is queuing solo DPS to be our 4th player (naively I assumed this would be the most popular queue but this isn’t based on any evidence) or there is a bug when three people queue. Has anyone else encountered this?

Pevey

It used to be that if you queued with 2 or three people, you sort of cut to the front of the line, even if you were just one dps queuing with a second dps. I think they did something to try to fix, and it caused some new issues

zacvanm

Not as many people are running dungeons anymore I think. Especially PUG dungeons.

newtinmpls

Even queueing with "two" (...hmm.. that sounds like a song title) anyway, even with two players, and now that I think about it even with four, we have had glitchy days with the dungeon finder.

I mean come on, when we have a whole (appropriately "role"-ed party) how hard can it be?

So my/our default is that IF there is either a healer or a tank (or both) and the queue goes past 4 min or so, then we leave and re-queue, and 90% of the time there is no delay...probably because the GF knows it's been naughty.

Charon_on_Vacation

if you have a tank and a healer and don't get an invite in the first minute, re-queue a few times and it should work.
its just the dungeon finder having issues.

ShawnLaRock

Yesterday I cleaned up pledges from previous and current days - and 3/5 queues ended up with only 1 or 2 players actually porting into the instance - any players not in the dungeon couldn’t travel to player, or the dungeon directly - so we had either kick players (so they wouldn’t incur a queue penalty), or disband - so @newtinmpls - it does seem glitchy ATM.

This often left us with just 2 DPS in the group - which I always assumed would be the most difficult for filling remaining spots (I usually message the other DD to tell them why I am leaving / disbanding) - but maybe the OP is correct in there being some other criteria for how the Dungeon Finder pulls from the queue...

S.

Edit: XBOX NA

zaria

Charon_on_Vacation wrote: »

if you have a tank and a healer and don't get an invite in the first minute, re-queue a few times and it should work.
its just the dungeon finder having issues.

This, even if queuing as an dd for random or pledge dungeon dropping queue after 20 minutes will not reset you in queue but rather let it understand you have waited too long and fast track you.
The finder is totally bizarre. Lately it looks like full groups are fast tracked who is nice for guild random leveling runs.

You could just port to dungeon directly. Unlike other locations you can port even if black.
Now you can not use finder to get more people however.

Callous_Hades

Thanks for the input everyone. Based on this feedback, particularly the "if you have a tank and a healer and don't get an invite in the first minute, re-queue a few times and it should work" sentiment that most of you had, our group did some additional testing of this last night.

The results are summarised below for anyone who comes across this post after experiencing the similar issues or a the off chance a dev reads this.


Party of Three: Tank - DPS - Heal
started queue
2 minutes elapsed. No 4th player found.
re-queue
2 minutes elapsed. No 4th player found.
re-queue
2 minutes elapsed. No 4th player found.
re-queue
3 minutes elapsed. No 4th player found.
re-queue
3 minutes elapsed. No 4th player found.

After 5 attempts (~12 minutes total) no 4th player is found.


Party of Two
We then disbanded our group of three to test queuing with groups of two. In all combinations we got an invite within 1 minute. The longest wait was Tank+DPS:

Tank + Healer: instant invite
Healer + DPS: invite within 10 seconds
Tank + DPS: invite within 1 minute


Solo
We then disbanded groups again to test queuing solo. The results are what you would expect from a high relative DPS population:

Tank: instant invite
Healer: instant invite
DPS: no invite within 10 minutes


Finally, we all joined back up into a party of three and queued once again - this time keeping the timer running. After 35 minutes in the queue we still had no invite for the dungeon and gave up. At this point we were fed up with testing and waiting and to do the dungeon daily we ended up splitting the group up into a party of two (DPS + Heal) and solo tank and queued that way. Both groups got invites within 20 seconds and we completed our daily dungeon that way.

This seems utterly broken and has to be a bug! Since we started playing, we have never manged to find a 4th player using the dungeon finder. Dungeons are our favourite content and this is completely ruining what should be trivial to take part in.

Miszou

I've noticed a difference between my instant queue as a solo tank and a couple of minutes wait when queuing with my dps wife.
It's not awful, but it's definitely not as instant as I thought it would be.