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GCD on jabs. This is a joke right?

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  • Wing
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    learn to do more then spam one button?
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  • Sanguinor2
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    Just stop using your spammable since apparently templars are the only one spamming their spammables if some people are to be believed......... its really amazing how outraged people are that templars are spamming their spammable.
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  • Xirks
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    wing, what class do you play?... Every single class has their main dps spammable, [snip]

    [Edited to remove Baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on September 18, 2020 4:10PM
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    Xirks wrote: »
    wing, what class do you play?... Every single class has their main dps spammable, [snip]

    He is probably one of those nightblades that thinks they should be able to spam cloak and run away in a straight line from you.
    Nightblades must be having a hayday in cyro now that their best counter class is kinda dead there.
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on September 18, 2020 4:10PM
  • Drdeath20
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    Id imagine templars are lined up for a total rework. At this point nerf everything templar bcz why not!?
  • Vevvev
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    Jabs to Templars is like what Flame Whip is to DK's, Cliffracer is to Wardens, and Veiled Strike is to NB's. Take it away and it seriously crushes their performance overall. MagPlars in particular have only two choices now. Pick up Elemental weapon or Force Shock, and sadly one of those is locked behind a DLC not every Templar owns.
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  • Wing
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    Firstmep wrote: »
    Xirks wrote: »
    wing, what class do you play?... Every single class has their main dps spammable, [snip]

    He is probably one of those nightblades that thinks they should be able to spam cloak and run away in a straight line from you.
    Nightblades must be having a hayday in cyro now that their best counter class is kinda dead there.

    check post or thread history my guy, i dont play coward classes. (literally like 6 ish comments down: try to learn to fight players without crutching on invisibility.
    their are 5 classes that seem to be able to fight just fine without having to resort to "no you cannot see me!")

    that being said if you cannot figure out what do do when you cannot spam pokey sticks at people i dont know what to do for you, if its pvp usually you have at least somewhat of a rotation that should take longer then 3 seconds to get through, but rotation implies more then one button.
    Edited by Wing on September 18, 2020 5:37PM
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  • techyeshic
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    Wing wrote: »
    Firstmep wrote: »
    Xirks wrote: »
    wing, what class do you play?... Every single class has their main dps spammable, [snip]

    He is probably one of those nightblades that thinks they should be able to spam cloak and run away in a straight line from you.
    Nightblades must be having a hayday in cyro now that their best counter class is kinda dead there.

    check post or thread history my guy, i dont play coward classes. (literally like 6 ish comments down: try to learn to fight players without crutching on invisibility.
    their are 5 classes that seem to be able to fight just fine without having to resort to "no you cannot see me!")

    that being said if you cannot figure out what do do when you cannot spam pokey sticks at people i dont know what to do for you, if its pvp usually you have at least somewhat of a rotation that should take longer then 3 seconds to get through, but rotation implies more then one button.

    A cycle for templar lines up at 6 seconds to match up with POTL as opposed to shalks or blastbones every 3 seconds; and it depends on the damage you are doing to the target during that time. You do not have time to just rebuff every 3. Maybe 1 global to refresh vigor if you are a stamplar
    Edited by techyeshic on September 18, 2020 5:45PM
  • Sanguinor2
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    Wing wrote: »

    check post or thread history my guy, i dont play coward classes. (literally like 6 ish comments down: try to learn to fight players without crutching on invisibility.
    their are 5 classes that seem to be able to fight just fine without having to resort to "no you cannot see me!")

    that being said if you cannot figure out what do do when you cannot spam pokey sticks at people i dont know what to do for you, if its pvp usually you have at least somewhat of a rotation that should take longer then 3 seconds to get through, but rotation implies more then one button.

    The thing is that parts of the rotation are dots, buffs and debuffs and ccs which all have timers my dude. The point of a spammable is to use it in between buffs/debuffs/dots and cc. Those all last longer than 3 seconds. If, for example I cast ele drain first, then entropy for sorcery+dot, place purifying light then use toppling to close the gap and cast sweeps once, there is nothing to do in that 2 seconds I have to wait for the sweeps cd to be over.
    What would you suggest?
    Recast a 10 second duration dot that has half its duration remaining? Nah.
    Toppling onto someone that is cc immune? Nah.
    Ele drain that lasts 24 seconds? Nah.
    Purifying light that is still running? Nah.
    Going backbar to heal? Kind of eliminates the point of starting to actually damage someone.
    Jesus beam someone when they are still at 75% health? I´d rather not.
    Mistform? I guess I could but again eliminates the point of starting to damage someone in the first place.
    I guess I could slot a second spammable that I can spam when sweeps are on cd but that seems nonsensical since I might aswell unslot sweeps in the first place and solve that problem.

    If you think its particulary efficient to recast a 10 second duration dot when it still is running for 5 or more seconds, refresh a buff or debuff that still has more than half its duration remaining, spam cast ccs on someone that is cc immune or go onto your defensive backbar when you are trying to burst someone down you do you but it really is not efficient.

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  • xaraan
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    Hopefully this is nothing more than a test, because if rolled out like this it's pretty laughable. The week they had the full cooldown going, I went into cyrodiil, used on ability, saw both bars grayed out except one skill out of ten and just left lol.

    But the game going to cooldowns like this in any form is a fundamental change IMO to what makes the game fun to play, so hopefully they figure out something else besides this to help (especially considering this didn't hurt the game at all the first few years with a much larger pvp pop).
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  • Lumsdenml
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    xaraan wrote: »
    Hopefully this is nothing more than a test, because if rolled out like this it's pretty laughable. The week they had the full cooldown going, I went into cyrodiil, used on ability, saw both bars grayed out except one skill out of ten and just left lol.

    But the game going to cooldowns like this in any form is a fundamental change IMO to what makes the game fun to play, so hopefully they figure out something else besides this to help (especially considering this didn't hurt the game at all the first few years with a much larger pvp pop).

    Yeah, I'm sure that if this went live, they would rework a number of skills (jabs included) to have at least one morph NOT be an AOE. No point in reworking all these skills for just one test.
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  • NightSky
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    Wait..Wait.. I have an idea, hear me out everyone. Why not give every CLASS a spammable skill. :)

    However, i understand why it was done. But hey at least some people won't be standing in one spot and just press ONE skill. I suggest the skill tree "Destruction Staff", Force Pulse & Crushing Shock will become your new favorite spammable skill :D
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  • Koubo
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    Templars rely a lot on Burning Light proc for burst and damage (Pve and PvP)
    In PvE, target dosent try to avoid us so the changes we had last patch have impact only for AoE (mostly) while in PvP it's terrible because Jab/Sweep is easily avoided, interrupted and so on. Now, with that CD you cant even proc it at all ! AT ALL xD
    that's terrible. Almost all passives in healing skill lines are meh/bad, now one of our strongest DPS passives is useless in PvP (and it's insane how Templars rely on it to burst) so, basically, Stamplar have more burst now using another Spammable anyway.
    Lumsdenml wrote: »
    xaraan wrote: »
    Hopefully this is nothing more than a test, because if rolled out like this it's pretty laughable. The week they had the full cooldown going, I went into cyrodiil, used on ability, saw both bars grayed out except one skill out of ten and just left lol.

    But the game going to cooldowns like this in any form is a fundamental change IMO to what makes the game fun to play, so hopefully they figure out something else besides this to help (especially considering this didn't hurt the game at all the first few years with a much larger pvp pop).

    Yeah, I'm sure that if this went live, they would rework a number of skills (jabs included) to have at least one morph NOT be an AOE. No point in reworking all these skills for just one test.

    If you change one of the Jab/Sweep to be not AoE, either Mag or Stam will be hurted by it. If Stamplar lose AoE power in PvE where they are not the best AT ALL. And if the MagMorph is change then the situation of Stamplar in PvP stay unchanged. (while Mag lose some health recovery in both PvE and PvP due to only hit one target. Maybe not a big deal in PvP as we might fight 1V1 quite often tho)
    This is only test after all. I was in CyroLagg yesterday, not prime time (tho) and it was playable (at lest) but i was with a Necro, not with one my Plar (got both Mag&Stam)
  • Arkew
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    Rip jab to win :)
  • Brederode
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    I don't even play templar anymore and still think GCD (in general) are stupid and won't be good for the game..
  • Stahlor
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    Wing wrote: »
    learn to do more then spam one button?

    That's why the only skills you see in your death cap in the moment is dizzying swing and executioner?
  • Dr_Ganknstein
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    These global cool downs make it not fun if you use a lot of aoe abilities. Now people will just switch to single target or quit. I don't think this is the route they should take to increase server performance. Its like they are turning down the fun factor to maybe enhance performance. Ive been playing in no-cp for a while now and its been running waaaaaaaaaaay better then Gray Host was; for me anyway. Anyone else experience this as well?
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    Sanguinor2 wrote: »
    Just stop using your spammable since apparently templars are the only one spamming their spammables if some people are to be believed......... its really amazing how outraged people are that templars are spamming their spammable.

    No other class spams their spammable that damages, heals, CCs at once...more than the easymodeplar.
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    I bet most players claiming Templars are easy mode would get rolfstomped trying to play one.
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    maxjapank wrote: »
    I bet most players claiming Templars are easy mode would get rolfstomped trying to play one.

    Yeah, probably while trying to find the cloak button. Speaking of spamming one ability.....
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    maxjapank wrote: »
    I bet most players claiming Templars are easy mode would get rolfstomped trying to play one.

    I bet anyone can go on a templar and one-button win in any situation like I did just to prove it.
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    maxjapank wrote: »
    I bet most players claiming Templars are easy mode would get rolfstomped trying to play one.

    I bet anyone can go on a templar and one-button win in any situation like I did just to prove it.

    Unlikely.
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  • SpiderKnight
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    Lumsdenml wrote: »
    maxjapank wrote: »
    I bet most players claiming Templars are easy mode would get rolfstomped trying to play one.

    I bet anyone can go on a templar and one-button win in any situation like I did just to prove it.

    Unlikely.

    Of course a plar wouldn't believe it. If a high amount of people are saying the exact same thing, then I think it's safe to assume it's true, no other class has an easier time in the game than a templar.
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    use dark flare? or crushing shock?
  • maxjapank
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    Lumsdenml wrote: »
    maxjapank wrote: »
    I bet most players claiming Templars are easy mode would get rolfstomped trying to play one.

    I bet anyone can go on a templar and one-button win in any situation like I did just to prove it.

    Unlikely.

    Of course a plar wouldn't believe it. If a high amount of people are saying the exact same thing, then I think it's safe to assume it's true, no other class has an easier time in the game than a templar.

    It is unbelievable how much easier it is on my Magsorc. And if Templars are so much easier, then why are most players running around on Stamdem or Stamcro, even a Dk. A dps Templar is a rare sight to see. Me thinks you’ve never played a Templar before.
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    I bet anyone can go on a templar and one-button win in any situation like I did just to prove it.

    Do you happen to have a video of you killing a good stamden in a competitive build with jabs only? Or a good stamcro with a good build?

    Have you ever thought about the fact that if you die to jabs only the problem might not be jabs but you instead? Because it is. If you manage to die to nothing but jabs then something is very wrong with what you are doing.
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  • NyassaV
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    Jabs to Templars is like what Flame Whip is to DK's, Cliffracer is to Wardens, and Veiled Strike is to NB's. Take it away and it seriously crushes their performance overall. MagPlars in particular have only two choices now. Pick up Elemental weapon or Force Shock, and sadly one of those is locked behind a DLC not every Templar owns.

    Expect Jabs has a snare, a heal, AOE and single target all rolled into one ability. They have the best spammable in the game by a long shot. Not to mention that it has a high chance to proc burning light which will do an additional amount of damage that isn't telegraphed.

    It's not surprising ZOS wants to change jabs up.
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  • Vevvev
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    NyassaV wrote: »
    Vevvev wrote: »
    Jabs to Templars is like what Flame Whip is to DK's, Cliffracer is to Wardens, and Veiled Strike is to NB's. Take it away and it seriously crushes their performance overall. MagPlars in particular have only two choices now. Pick up Elemental weapon or Force Shock, and sadly one of those is locked behind a DLC not every Templar owns.

    Expect Jabs has a snare, a heal, AOE and single target all rolled into one ability. They have the best spammable in the game by a long shot. Not to mention that it has a high chance to proc burning light which will do an additional amount of damage that isn't telegraphed.

    It's not surprising ZOS wants to change jabs up.

    And Flame Lash has a snare, heals, tons of damage, applies off balance, and isn't channeled! Please, Templar jabs are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be.
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  • Aznarb
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    NyassaV wrote: »
    Vevvev wrote: »
    Jabs to Templars is like what Flame Whip is to DK's, Cliffracer is to Wardens, and Veiled Strike is to NB's. Take it away and it seriously crushes their performance overall. MagPlars in particular have only two choices now. Pick up Elemental weapon or Force Shock, and sadly one of those is locked behind a DLC not every Templar owns.

    Expect Jabs has a snare, a heal, AOE and single target all rolled into one ability. They have the best spammable in the game by a long shot. Not to mention that it has a high chance to proc burning light which will do an additional amount of damage that isn't telegraphed.

    It's not surprising ZOS wants to change jabs up.

    And Flame Lash has a snare, heals, tons of damage, applies off balance, and isn't channeled! Please, Templar jabs are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be.

    But it's not an AoE.
    Dunno why anyone here just rage or defend jabs, but that not the problem of jab.
    It's an AoE => CD. That how this patch work.
    Use a spammable from weapon line the time this test end. Simple.
    Don't see the point to such a thread for such an obvious answer.

    You really think Templar are the only not-enjoyable class right now in pvp ? Have you try to play a healer ? It's a nightmare since all your heal are AoE.

    So, yeah, just wait the end, that all.
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  • maxjapank
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    NyassaV wrote: »
    Vevvev wrote: »
    Jabs to Templars is like what Flame Whip is to DK's, Cliffracer is to Wardens, and Veiled Strike is to NB's. Take it away and it seriously crushes their performance overall. MagPlars in particular have only two choices now. Pick up Elemental weapon or Force Shock, and sadly one of those is locked behind a DLC not every Templar owns.

    Expect Jabs has a snare...

    When will you non-Templars understand that Jabs is also a snare to the Templar. It's a channeled spell. If there was no snare to the enemy, how would a Templar ever land the 4 hits. Not to mention getting a burning light proc. It's not something we can tag you with and it keeps on ticking dmg.
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