Penetration stuck around 11k

Shantu

I have a couple magicka characters that have penetration stuck at around 11k, even though there is only 9-10 CP in Spell Erosion. No sharpened weapons or penetration coming from gear. I adjusted Spell Erosion CP's last week for dungeon use. Penetration is now stuck at the values they were adjusted to and never reverted back when the CP's were removed. This is per penetration being reported by the add-ons PenTest and Combat Metrics. Unloading and reloading the add-ons have no effect. Reloading UI and/or the game has no effect. Resetting the Spell Erosion CP's have no effect. I usually parse around 80+k on the trial dummy. Now my parses are around 74k, so it seems that over-penetration is indeed happening and this is not a bug in the add-on.

This is not good as I run these characters for vet trial groups and can't afford to be over-penetrating on bosses. Never seen this before. Hasn't happened to all magicka characters, just my MagDen and MagPlar.

Bug report in-game has been submitted. Reference number: 200915-000594

virtus753

I don’t think I’m understanding the problem fully.

Overpenetration per se does not lower dps. It’s the fact that, under normal circumstances, whatever you did to get that much pen means you aren’t investing those resources in something else that would actually benefit you when you’re at pen cap. If you can’t reinvest your CP elsewhere, that’s definitely a problem. But if you can successfully invest them elsewhere while your pen remains the same, then that’s a bug that only benefits you. It would essentially be free pen while allowing you to spend CP in other nodes. Free pen wouldn’t lower your dps, though, so I suspect something else is going on.

Is it that you’re not able to reinvest that CP? (By which I mean when you put that extra CP from Erosion in another node, does that CP work properly with the new node, regardless of what your pen value says?)

Is it possible you’re running the Lover as part of your dungeon setup, by any chance? 10 points in Erosion will give you about 1k, and I tend to assume magdps have Concentration for 4884. The Lover would add over 4500 in full gold divines, if my math is right, which would put you between 10-11k pen and lead to lower dps on the trial dummy compared to a more effective mundus.

Finally, if you input your current setup into the UESP Build Editor, what is the expected total penetration value?

Shantu

@virtus753 Thanks for responding. I'm an idiot. In experimenting with penetration I forgot I set the Mundus on both these toons to The Lover.



Never mind....

virtus753

Shantu wrote: »

@virtus753 Thanks for responding. I'm an idiot. In experimenting with penetration I forgot I set the Mundus on both these toons to The Lover.



Never mind....

Glad you got it sorted! I’ve made that mistake myself often enough...

Miraslova

Shantu wrote: »

I have a couple magicka characters that have penetration stuck at around 11k, even though there is only 9-10 CP in Spell Erosion. No sharpened weapons or penetration coming from gear. I adjusted Spell Erosion CP's last week for dungeon use. Penetration is now stuck at the values they were adjusted to and never reverted back when the CP's were removed. This is per penetration being reported by the add-ons PenTest and Combat Metrics. Unloading and reloading the add-ons have no effect. Reloading UI and/or the game has no effect. Resetting the Spell Erosion CP's have no effect. I usually parse around 80+k on the trial dummy. Now my parses are around 74k, so it seems that over-penetration is indeed happening and this is not a bug in the add-on.

This is not good as I run these characters for vet trial groups and can't afford to be over-penetrating on bosses. Never seen this before. Hasn't happened to all magicka characters, just my MagDen and MagPlar.

Bug report in-game has been submitted. Reference number: 200915-000594

I don't waste my 810cp capped points on Pen, only 5k and above is fine. Like others said, points are better spent on dps skills.