Thanks for ruinning sorc healer zos.

Katboy333

I used to be able to heal 21k with my full healer's twilight, now only 14k. The healing twilight was the only advantage you had as a sorcerer healer. Might aswell slot combat prayer instead of the twilight and get an extra skill, but if Im gonna do that why even play a sorcerer healer in the first place.
FYI yes I can heal engame content as a sorc healer just fine, so no I dont want to heal with another class. Just stop with these *** nerfs in response to crybabies. If your gonna kill pets just get rid of them alltogether and replace the summon tree with somethingelse already. As someone who played this game since 2014 and seen all the changes to pets over the years Im getting real tired of this ***...

Scarletblaze

sorc healers run cbp to begin with anyways...

nukk3r

Twilight is an OSHI- heal. Combat prayer is your main heal/buff. I wonder how you weren't kicked from groups.

Scarletblaze

pm me directly, i am more than happy to help you out with healing

Grandchamp1989

Healer is slowly going out of fashion and Zos is speeding up the proces.

Healing Ritual nerf, CLeansing ritual nerf, pet heal nerf, olo and SPC nerf, hollowfang nerf

Now healers just wearing dps hybrid sets spamming light and heavy attacks to proc debuffs. Currently healer are like some old celebrity trying to clinch onto any branch for dear life, in an attempt to keep any shred of relevance... before they're finally replaced with another DPS and self heals.

It's sad but what you gonna do.

Scarletblaze

spc was buffed lol it's insanely good in trials atm. and healers have never been about full healing...its ALWAYS been about buffs/debuffs to maximize group dmg output. healers and tanks share basically the same gear set pools now too...its all about supporting the group, not healing.

Grandchamp1989

Scarletblaze wrote: »

spc was buffed lol it's insanely good in trials atm. and healers have never been about full healing...its ALWAYS been about buffs/debuffs to maximize group dmg output. healers and tanks share basically the same gear set pools now too...its all about supporting the group, not healing.

"Spell Power Cure: Reduced the duration of the Major Courage granted from this set to 5 seconds, down from 10"

Its effect was literally cut in half. The 50% proc chance it had before did nothing because it would always apply due to HOTS - IF you overhealed. Now when you overheal the effect is literally halfed lol.

Scarletblaze

on paper, but in action results are very good...still out performing olo

Elwendryll

I'm a main sorc. I understand your will to only play sorc, I suggest however that you stop relying on a 2 people instant heal. Combat prayer is the spam heal you should be using. You should only need the matriarch heal if someone makes a mistake somewhere, it shouldn't be your main heal.

Also:
"All pets from this skill line now use a hybrid of your Spell Damage and Max Magicka, rather than purely Max Magicka. This change was done to reduce the total power of these abilities when stacking a singular stat."

It means you just need to get some spell damage instead of stacking everything in magicka if you want good matriarch heals, it's not that big of a nerf, once you tweak your build.

Consider using power surge as well. It contributes a lot to your total healing.

Anyway, sorc healers are good, they will be fine.

Scarletblaze

Elwendryll wrote: »

I'm a main sorc. I understand your will to only play sorc, I suggest however that you stop relying on a 2 people instant heal. Combat prayer is the spam heal you should be using. You should only need the matriarch heal if someone makes a mistake somewhere, it shouldn't be your main heal.

Also:
"All pets from this skill line now use a hybrid of your Spell Damage and Max Magicka, rather than purely Max Magicka. This change was done to reduce the total power of these abilities when stacking a singular stat."

It means you just need to get some spell damage instead of stacking everything in magicka if you want good matriarch heals, it's not that big of a nerf, once you tweak your build.

Consider using power surge as well. It contributes a lot to your total healing.

Anyway, sorc healers are good, they will be fine.

well said! sorc healers are still good!

Antis3n1l

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Scarletblaze wrote: »

spc was buffed lol it's insanely good in trials atm. and healers have never been about full healing...its ALWAYS been about buffs/debuffs to maximize group dmg output. healers and tanks share basically the same gear set pools now too...its all about supporting the group, not healing.

"Spell Power Cure: Reduced the duration of the Major Courage granted from this set to 5 seconds, down from 10"

Its effect was literally cut in half. The 50% proc chance it had before did nothing because it would always apply due to HOTS - IF you overhealed. Now when you overheal the effect is literally halfed lol.

You seem to forget that SPC has no cooldown so you can proc it as soon as it runs out. an uptime of 90%+ is realy easy to get with it

Grandchamp1989

Antis3n1l wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Scarletblaze wrote: »

spc was buffed lol it's insanely good in trials atm. and healers have never been about full healing...its ALWAYS been about buffs/debuffs to maximize group dmg output. healers and tanks share basically the same gear set pools now too...its all about supporting the group, not healing.

"Spell Power Cure: Reduced the duration of the Major Courage granted from this set to 5 seconds, down from 10"

Its effect was literally cut in half. The 50% proc chance it had before did nothing because it would always apply due to HOTS - IF you overhealed. Now when you overheal the effect is literally halfed lol.

You seem to forget that SPC has no cooldown so you can proc it as soon as it runs out. an uptime of 90%+ is realy easy to get with it

Proc'ing spell power cure was never an issue. With multiple HOTS the 50% proc was instant to begin with. Even one HOT would provice enough tics to make it instant.

Keeping major courage up during combat when people are not at full health is much harder as it require overheal. So it was much safer to have 10 seconds to heal your team than having 5 seconds to re-proc it.

It was a huge nerf to uptime, they literally cut the effect in half and buffed something that wasn't a problem to begin with.

It's still one of the better choices for healers which isn't saying much these days.

Darkstorne

How often do you need an auto-target emergency dual heal to hit for 20k+..?

As a healer, I'm really sad to see my role becoming so undesirable, but the answer to that isn't "bigger heals". The game design is so built around the idea that if DDs and/or tanks take big damage then they're doing something wrong, and that therefore big heals are rarely (if ever) needed. Usually a single HoT is enough for a good group that knows what they're doing, so we see groups comprised of a tank and 3DDs being the dream team.

The answer imo, without completely redesigning combat, is to reduce the healing power of all healing skills and in return for that loss of healing power make sure every healing spell in the game also provides a buff of some kind. That could be damage buffs like Combat Prayer has, Regen and damage mitigation buffs (like the FG circle skill), and building SPC / Powerful Assault style weapon damage buffs into HoTs like Radiating Regen and Vigor. Make sure a tank slotting a single healing spell, and DDs chucking orbs around, isn't usually enough to keep an entire group safely healed, and make sure that DDs know that a healer throwing out 4+ different healing skills means their DPS will skyrocket as a result (to make up for the lack of a third DD). Having Major Courage as a morph for a healing skill also gives healers a lot more choice over gear too...

EmEm_Oh

Katboy333 wrote: »

I used to be able to heal 21k with my full healer's twilight, now only 14k. The healing twilight was the only advantage you had as a sorcerer healer. Might aswell slot combat prayer instead of the twilight and get an extra skill, but if Im gonna do that why even play a sorcerer healer in the first place.
FYI yes I can heal engame content as a sorc healer just fine, so no I dont want to heal with another class. Just stop with these *** nerfs in response to crybabies. If your gonna kill pets just get rid of them alltogether and replace the summon tree with somethingelse already. As someone who played this game since 2014 and seen all the changes to pets over the years Im getting real tired of this ***...

I think your type of healing was more eccentric. Combat Prayer was used most of the time on Sorcs. Fwiw, I've played magsorc for 5 years. Twilight heals are done by myself on dynamic situations as they'll heal myself and another, but I'm dps and it helps buffing an advance as I support one particularly powerful tank or another dps that is greater than myself and know we can both push inside a keep or push outside to defend and give the rest of the group a chance to advance out where they couldn't.

Katboy333

Elwendryll wrote: »

I'm a main sorc. I understand your will to only play sorc, I suggest however that you stop relying on a 2 people instant heal. Combat prayer is the spam heal you should be using. You should only need the matriarch heal if someone makes a mistake somewhere, it shouldn't be your main heal.

Also:
"All pets from this skill line now use a hybrid of your Spell Damage and Max Magicka, rather than purely Max Magicka. This change was done to reduce the total power of these abilities when stacking a singular stat."

It means you just need to get some spell damage instead of stacking everything in magicka if you want good matriarch heals, it's not that big of a nerf, once you tweak your build.

Consider using power surge as well. It contributes a lot to your total healing.

Anyway, sorc healers are good, they will be fine.

I dont rely on the healing twilight to heal, its my burst heal, I constantly overheal in my games so Im full max magicka. I play with pugs all the time on vet and believe me my burst made all the difference, Im used to having to heal more than I should. I use prayer when the group needs it, otherwise its just so annoying having to run around trying to buff pugs who cant stack, not really a problem in trials though.

PunkAben

Switch to a templar the are insane for support the group in Cyrodiil.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EUG2DvcGJG0&feature=youtu.be

The will never run out of magical !

I wonder why only healing skills are with 3 sec delay, all ability should be with 3 sec delay, then it will be a end of macro user.

GoodFella146

Of course you got nerfed because ZOS wants you to make a werewolf.

zaria

Scarletblaze wrote: »

spc was buffed lol it's insanely good in trials atm. and healers have never been about full healing...its ALWAYS been about buffs/debuffs to maximize group dmg output. healers and tanks share basically the same gear set pools now too...its all about supporting the group, not healing.

In trials its about buffs, in dungeons you run an heal / dd hybrid and you scale heal or DD on need, typically more heal on last boss. I tend to be asked for more heals even if none dies

vectoraz22

If you're not using and reapplying combat prayer everytime it comes up then your really giving your group a huge disservice. The damage buff from cbp needs to be up at times for the extra dps you get from the buff. And If your not doing your job as a healer by applying buff's then your not really a good healer at all.

hexnotic

Oh honey... You aren't slotting combat prayer? Sounds like you've got bigger issues than your bird not healing as much as you'd like it too.

scorpius2k1

vectoraz22 wrote: »

If you're not using and reapplying combat prayer everytime it comes up then your really giving your group a huge disservice. The damage buff from cbp needs to be up at times for the extra dps you get from the buff. And If your not doing your job as a healer by applying buff's then your not really a good healer at all.

I use CBP all the time but man, sometimes when the group keeps dancing all over the place it becomes quite the task to keep the buff up and I'm having to use 2-3x the magic just to keep it applied. Any ideas on a better strategy to combat that?

Also me: I should stop running pugs as much as I do.

the1andonlyskwex

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

vectoraz22 wrote: »

If you're not using and reapplying combat prayer everytime it comes up then your really giving your group a huge disservice. The damage buff from cbp needs to be up at times for the extra dps you get from the buff. And If your not doing your job as a healer by applying buff's then your not really a good healer at all.

I use CBP all the time but man, sometimes when the group keeps dancing all over the place it becomes quite the task to keep the buff up and I'm having to use 2-3x the magic just to keep it applied. Any ideas on a better strategy to combat that?

Also me: I should stop running pugs as much as I do.

Stop spending 25% of your time trying to give 2 people an 8% buff and instead just contribute an equivalent or greater amount of damage yourself.

scorpius2k1

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

vectoraz22 wrote: »

If you're not using and reapplying combat prayer everytime it comes up then your really giving your group a huge disservice. The damage buff from cbp needs to be up at times for the extra dps you get from the buff. And If your not doing your job as a healer by applying buff's then your not really a good healer at all.

I use CBP all the time but man, sometimes when the group keeps dancing all over the place it becomes quite the task to keep the buff up and I'm having to use 2-3x the magic just to keep it applied. Any ideas on a better strategy to combat that?

Also me: I should stop running pugs as much as I do.

Stop spending 25% of your time trying to give 2 people an 8% buff and instead just contribute an equivalent or greater amount of damage yourself.

Exactly. I do that already and keep a healthy practice of playing tank, heal, and dps on a regular basis and have done so for literal years of playing ESO. I run vet hm dlc and trials on the regular as well and do just fine regardless, probably the reason it stands out so much in pug groups. More or less trying to share a bit of humor here about the lack of conceptual group stacking and similar teaming methods by so many players. Seems stacking would be a common sense practice playing an MMO, but some are new (or don't care) or have had entirely too many caffeinated products in a short time and cannot hold still. Thus, I adjust as needed

Katboy333

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

vectoraz22 wrote: »

If you're not using and reapplying combat prayer everytime it comes up then your really giving your group a huge disservice. The damage buff from cbp needs to be up at times for the extra dps you get from the buff. And If your not doing your job as a healer by applying buff's then your not really a good healer at all.

I use CBP all the time but man, sometimes when the group keeps dancing all over the place it becomes quite the task to keep the buff up and I'm having to use 2-3x the magic just to keep it applied. Any ideas on a better strategy to combat that?

Also me: I should stop running pugs as much as I do.

Stop spending 25% of your time trying to give 2 people an 8% buff and instead just contribute an equivalent or greater amount of damage yourself.

Exactly. I do that already and keep a healthy practice of playing tank, heal, and dps on a regular basis and have done so for literal years of playing ESO. I run vet hm dlc and trials on the regular as well and do just fine regardless, probably the reason it stands out so much in pug groups. More or less trying to share a bit of humor here about the lack of conceptual group stacking and similar teaming methods by so many players. Seems stacking would be a common sense practice playing an MMO, but some are new (or don't care) or have had entirely too many caffeinated products in a short time and cannot hold still. Thus, I adjust as needed

Exactly why I cant be bothered most of the time with prayer since I only play with pugs, sometimes I literally need to cast it once per player. Im better off applying crusher nonstop on the boss instead of wasting my time chasing dps.

Danksta

In end game, sorcs healers weren't even using twilight tbh

vectoraz22

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

I use CBP all the time but man, sometimes when the group keeps dancing all over the place it becomes quite the task to keep the buff up and I'm having to use 2-3x the magic just to keep it applied. Any ideas on a better strategy to combat that?

I main a dps but I have 2 templar healer alts which one I use primarliy to run all my vet content and trials. Combat prayer buffs ppl standing in front of you so the healer should be standing behind the group to buff your group with combat prayer. If you have dps that is a problem and wants to stand outside of your radius to heal or buff then disregard him completely or politely tell him to move closer to the group,

In my experience ppl who do this really don't understand basic game mechanics and aren't contributely a lot as a whole anyways so don't over extend yourself for that 1 person.

tsaescishoeshiner

A 14k heal autotargeted on TWO players with the lowest health in 28 meters around you (not just in front) is still amazing. The Matriarch heal was stronger than it needed to be.

The problem is it's one of like TWO sorc healing skills, and takes two bar slots. For two bar slots, it should have more utility than dealing negligible damage and an active burst heal.

the1andonlyskwex

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

A 14k heal autotargeted on TWO players with the lowest health in 28 meters around you (not just in front) is still amazing. The Matriarch heal was stronger than it needed to be.

The problem is it's one of like TWO sorc healing skills, and takes two bar slots. For two bar slots, it should have more utility than dealing negligible damage and an active burst heal.

Maybe I'm terrible, but I often find myself slotting two burst heals anyway on other classes. I find that I don't always have time to swap bars before needing to heal someone after a big hit. I can usually make at least one of them provide additional utility beyond just healing though.

While the matriarch doesn't provide any of the same utility, it's actually preferable in some ways, because you don't have to keep track of different burst healing behavior based on which bar you're on. Additionally, its damage is always on, so you don't need to spend mental energy managing extra buff timers.

PunkAben

vectoraz22 wrote: »

If you're not using and reapplying combat prayer everytime it comes up then your really giving your group a huge disservice. The damage buff from cbp needs to be up at times for the extra dps you get from the buff. And If your not doing your job as a healer by applying buff's then your not really a good healer at all.

It is slot in bar 1 number 1 skills but I can't play healer in Cyrodiil with a delay at 3 sec. People die around me in 3 sec and if get attack enemy don't have 3 sec delay at attack ability and special macro user can kill in less time then 3 sec.

DMuehlhausen

nukk3r wrote: »

Twilight is an OSHI- heal. Combat prayer is your main heal/buff. I wonder how you weren't kicked from groups.

While this is correct in theory....to many idiot DD in the world think they do more damage hitting the space bar 1000 times in a fight or just circling the enemies non stop. I have it on my bar for when I get competent people in the group that stay together and stand the F still, but most of the time I'm rezzing morons that circle out of my Extended Ritual and get killed.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

If you arent running Combat Prayer and relying on a burst heal to make or break your healer build, I would suggest that you spend some time looking at how most healers build. The Twilight is an oh crap button, not you main source of heals in group content.

Even after nerfs, it's still one of the best Oh Crap buttons there is.