relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
Look, out of about 50 runs, about 20 staves dropped, only 2 of those were inferno. Now, that was either extremely unlucky, or something is going on.
You know just because you have 4 staves doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily 1/4.
Same thing for advancing jokeda jewelry, if the chance to get it was really 1/6 then you would on average see 2 drops per raid, but that's not what actually happens.
So confirmation bias? No not really. I guess it is only if you close your eyes and pretend that if it 4 staves than the chance much be 1/4.
That's why I crossed out confirmation bias... since it's actually selection bias.
By the way. The odds of getting 2 inferno staves out of 20 drops is 6.69%... about 1 in 15. Not exactly uncommon. (Assuming there is a 25% drop rate of each)
It's like doing a poll of "who likes school", and then only people you poll are those that are failing school... of course you're going to get a high percentage to say they don't like it
The point was never about the percentage itself, the point was about how getting an inferno staff is not the same as getting an ice or resto or lightning. And you are trying to change the subject.
Inferno does not drop to the same rate as the other 3. And the second rarest is lightning.
At the end of the day you tried to change the subject so this will be the last reply. It's clear what you wanted to try.
The basic point i wanted to make is that just because there are 4 staves, doesn't mean that each of them has the same drop rate. That is all.
People just cannot stomach not being wrong, so need to change the subject. You can go and try it yourself. Try medusa or advancing jokeda, if you run enough dungeons, you will see that the drop rate is not equal for every piece.
The point was never about the percentage itself, the point was about how getting an inferno staff is not the same as getting an ice or resto or lightning. And you are trying to change the subject.
Inferno does not drop to the same rate as the other 3. And the second rarest is lightning.
At the end of the day you tried to change the subject so this will be the last reply. It's clear what you wanted to try.
The basic point i wanted to make is that just because there are 4 staves, doesn't mean that each of them has the same drop rate. That is all.
People just cannot stomach not being wrong, so need to change the subject. You can go and try it yourself. Try medusa or advancing jokeda, if you run enough dungeons, you will see that the drop rate is not equal for every piece.
Disturbed_One wrote: »
You're offering as "proof" in a sample of 20 that you only got 2 inferno that the drops rates are different?? and have the nerve to call somebody "wrong"
They used basic statistics. Everybody should know it.
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My point was not about rarity, or complaining about it necessarily, i only pointed out that just because there are 4 staves doesn't mean the chance to drop for each of them is 1/4.
But people have trouble understanding this.
Although inferno staff of succession drop should be either increased or you get a chance for a weapon drop at each stage.
So basically, you guys made an argument that i didn't really bring up.
If you farm for sets like jokeda gold jewlery or medusa inferno you will realize after some runs that the chance to drop is not equal to other sets.
By the way, i didn't get 2 staves. And the actual medusa staves drops might actually be more than 20 now that i think about it. I didn;t really stand there and count them, but it was a lot of resto and ice staves, and very few inferno and lightning. For every group i joined.
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Yes, if we look at the actual drop rate, it is not that rare compared to some other mmos, that was never the actual point.
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relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
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That's why I crossed out confirmation bias... since it's actually selection bias.
By the way. The odds of getting 2 inferno staves out of 20 drops is 6.69%... about 1 in 15. Not exactly uncommon. (Assuming there is a 25% drop rate of each)
It's like doing a poll of "who likes school", and then only people you poll are those that are failing school... of course you're going to get a high percentage to say they don't like it