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ESO drop rates
ACamaroGuy
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Should the developers and programmers of ESO increase the drop rates on items? Are you tired of farming for that one armor, weapon or jewelry peace over and over again?
Edited by ACamaroGuy on August 28, 2020 4:45PM For the Empire
ESO drop rates 64 votes
Increase the drop rates
45%
29 votes
Keep drop rates as they are
50%
32 votes
Decrease drop rates
4%
3 votes
0
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Depends which one we are talking about, if it's about inferno staff of succession, yes.1 -
relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Keep drop rates as they areSurely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.2 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Keep drop rates as they areESO is a lot less grindy compared to other similar MMOs ...5 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.1 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.Edited by tmbrinks on August 28, 2020 5:25PMTenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger61,215 achievement points2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Keep drop rates as they areZos effectively increased the drop rates a couple of years ago when they added the transmutation system to the game so we can change the trait. Instead of farming a specific weapon and done, we were farming for a specific trait on that weapon making the grind 9 times longer.
On top of this, Zos added the ability to trade gear/weapons with anyone in the group at the time the boss was defeated. If you run with friends, guildmates, with the idea they will trade you the item if they get it that is another increase in the drop rate. If you run with strangers who will not trade, that is a personal choice.
So yes, Zos already did this.2 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.
Look, out of about 50 runs, about 20 staves dropped, only 2 of those were inferno. Now, that was either extremely unlucky, or something is going on.
You know just because you have 4 staves doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily 1/4.
Same thing for advancing jokeda jewelry, if the chance to get it was really 1/6 then you would on average see 2 drops per raid, but that's not what actually happens.
So confirmation bias? No not really. I guess it is only if you close your eyes and pretend that if it 4 staves than the chance much be 1/4.
Edited by JinMori on August 28, 2020 5:46PM1 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭decrese the dropped packet rates by a factor of 1000x or more
Edited by Gythral on August 28, 2020 9:19PM“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy0 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.
Look, out of about 50 runs, about 20 staves dropped, only 2 of those were inferno. Now, that was either extremely unlucky, or something is going on.
You know just because you have 4 staves doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily 1/4.
Same thing for advancing jokeda jewelry, if the chance to get it was really 1/6 then you would on average see 2 drops per raid, but that's not what actually happens.
So confirmation bias? No not really. I guess it is only if you close your eyes and pretend that if it 4 staves than the chance much be 1/4.
That's why I crossed out confirmation bias... since it's actually selection bias.
By the way. The odds of getting 2 inferno staves out of 20 drops is 6.69%... about 1 in 15. Not exactly uncommon. (Assuming there is a 25% drop rate of each)
It's like doing a poll of "who likes school", and then only people you poll are those that are failing school... of course you're going to get a high percentage to say they don't like it
Edited by tmbrinks on August 28, 2020 6:07PMTenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger61,215 achievement points3 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Increase the drop ratesI want borderlands 3 droprates a literal lootsplosion!! Normal adds maybe dropping random gear at random rates like boss may drop 1 wep or like 3 weps and a ring neck and duplicates would make runs alot more rewarding and less disappointing.1 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.
Look, out of about 50 runs, about 20 staves dropped, only 2 of those were inferno. Now, that was either extremely unlucky, or something is going on.
You know just because you have 4 staves doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily 1/4.
Same thing for advancing jokeda jewelry, if the chance to get it was really 1/6 then you would on average see 2 drops per raid, but that's not what actually happens.
So confirmation bias? No not really. I guess it is only if you close your eyes and pretend that if it 4 staves than the chance much be 1/4.
That's why I crossed out confirmation bias... since it's actually selection bias.
By the way. The odds of getting 2 inferno staves out of 20 drops is 6.69%... about 1 in 15. Not exactly uncommon. (Assuming there is a 25% drop rate of each)
It's like doing a poll of "who likes school", and then only people you poll are those that are failing school... of course you're going to get a high percentage to say they don't like it
The point was never about the percentage itself, the point was about how getting an inferno staff is not the same as getting an ice or resto or lightning. And you are trying to change the subject.
Inferno does not drop to the same rate as the other 3. And the second rarest is lightning.
At the end of the day you tried to change the subject so this will be the last reply. It's clear what you wanted to try.
The basic point i wanted to make is that just because there are 4 staves, doesn't mean that each of them has the same drop rate. That is all.
People just cannot stomach not being wrong, so need to change the subject. You can go and try it yourself. Try medusa or advancing jokeda, if you run enough dungeons, you will see that the drop rate is not equal for every piece.Edited by JinMori on August 28, 2020 7:06PM1 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lower the drop rates for Embershield, raise it for the BSW Inferno staff. Could probably say this about a dozen other items.
Increasing drop rates isn't the issue. Balancing them is more important.
Oh, and do something about the utterly useless weapons. Like the Berserking Warrior staves. In a set where the devs removed the bow because "it doesn't make sense in a melee set." Oh, but that inferno staff does...2 -
CaffeinatedMayhem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Keep drop rates as they areIf anything drop rates need to be evened out. It's easy to see what the "rare" drops are: BSW Inferno staff, 1h/shield on any tanking set, Lightning/fire staves on any mag DPS set, axes on bleeds sets, restoration staves on healing sets, etc. While some people do score rare drops regularly, they are very much the exception.Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on August 28, 2020 7:06PM1 -
MagicalLija✭✭✭✭✭Some stuff which is more in META should get a higher drop rate.
I'm mostly talking about Inferno Staffs:- Mother's Sorrow
- Siroria
- Maelstrom Staffs
- Burning Spellweave
Stuff like this. I'm so unbelievably sick and tired of getting 10 Ice and Electric MS staffs.
It would break the economy now sure since people grind the staves and sell them for a couple ~90k but yeah.1 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.
Look, out of about 50 runs, about 20 staves dropped, only 2 of those were inferno. Now, that was either extremely unlucky, or something is going on.
You know just because you have 4 staves doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily 1/4.
Same thing for advancing jokeda jewelry, if the chance to get it was really 1/6 then you would on average see 2 drops per raid, but that's not what actually happens.
So confirmation bias? No not really. I guess it is only if you close your eyes and pretend that if it 4 staves than the chance much be 1/4.
That's why I crossed out confirmation bias... since it's actually selection bias.
By the way. The odds of getting 2 inferno staves out of 20 drops is 6.69%... about 1 in 15. Not exactly uncommon. (Assuming there is a 25% drop rate of each)
It's like doing a poll of "who likes school", and then only people you poll are those that are failing school... of course you're going to get a high percentage to say they don't like it
The point was never about the percentage itself, the point was about how getting an inferno staff is not the same as getting an ice or resto or lightning. And you are trying to change the subject.
Inferno does not drop to the same rate as the other 3. And the second rarest is lightning.
At the end of the day you tried to change the subject so this will be the last reply. It's clear what you wanted to try.
The basic point i wanted to make is that just because there are 4 staves, doesn't mean that each of them has the same drop rate. That is all.
People just cannot stomach not being wrong, so need to change the subject. You can go and try it yourself. Try medusa or advancing jokeda, if you run enough dungeons, you will see that the drop rate is not equal for every piece.
How am I changing the subject? (Yes, I tried to use an analogy to describe a similar situation..)
How can you say the bolded part? What data do you have to show it. I'm saying that the situation you described has a 6.69% change of happening by RANDOM CHANCE That's not rare.
The data you (and others) use to come to these conclusions is flawed, it's biased.
You honestly don't think I've farmed for items myself? Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger61,215 achievement points3 -
Disturbed_One✭✭✭✭relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.
Look, out of about 50 runs, about 20 staves dropped, only 2 of those were inferno. Now, that was either extremely unlucky, or something is going on.
You know just because you have 4 staves doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily 1/4.
Same thing for advancing jokeda jewelry, if the chance to get it was really 1/6 then you would on average see 2 drops per raid, but that's not what actually happens.
So confirmation bias? No not really. I guess it is only if you close your eyes and pretend that if it 4 staves than the chance much be 1/4.
That's why I crossed out confirmation bias... since it's actually selection bias.
By the way. The odds of getting 2 inferno staves out of 20 drops is 6.69%... about 1 in 15. Not exactly uncommon. (Assuming there is a 25% drop rate of each)
It's like doing a poll of "who likes school", and then only people you poll are those that are failing school... of course you're going to get a high percentage to say they don't like it
The point was never about the percentage itself, the point was about how getting an inferno staff is not the same as getting an ice or resto or lightning. And you are trying to change the subject.
Inferno does not drop to the same rate as the other 3. And the second rarest is lightning.
At the end of the day you tried to change the subject so this will be the last reply. It's clear what you wanted to try.
The basic point i wanted to make is that just because there are 4 staves, doesn't mean that each of them has the same drop rate. That is all.
People just cannot stomach not being wrong, so need to change the subject. You can go and try it yourself. Try medusa or advancing jokeda, if you run enough dungeons, you will see that the drop rate is not equal for every piece.
You're offering as "proof" in a sample of 20 that you only got 2 inferno that the drops rates are different?? and have the nerve to call somebody "wrong"
They used basic statistics. Everybody should know it.
[Edit to remove bait]Edited by [Deleted User] on August 28, 2020 7:59PM3 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Disturbed_One wrote: »relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.
Look, out of about 50 runs, about 20 staves dropped, only 2 of those were inferno. Now, that was either extremely unlucky, or something is going on.
You know just because you have 4 staves doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily 1/4.
Same thing for advancing jokeda jewelry, if the chance to get it was really 1/6 then you would on average see 2 drops per raid, but that's not what actually happens.
So confirmation bias? No not really. I guess it is only if you close your eyes and pretend that if it 4 staves than the chance much be 1/4.
That's why I crossed out confirmation bias... since it's actually selection bias.
By the way. The odds of getting 2 inferno staves out of 20 drops is 6.69%... about 1 in 15. Not exactly uncommon. (Assuming there is a 25% drop rate of each)
It's like doing a poll of "who likes school", and then only people you poll are those that are failing school... of course you're going to get a high percentage to say they don't like it
The point was never about the percentage itself, the point was about how getting an inferno staff is not the same as getting an ice or resto or lightning. And you are trying to change the subject.
Inferno does not drop to the same rate as the other 3. And the second rarest is lightning.
At the end of the day you tried to change the subject so this will be the last reply. It's clear what you wanted to try.
The basic point i wanted to make is that just because there are 4 staves, doesn't mean that each of them has the same drop rate. That is all.
People just cannot stomach not being wrong, so need to change the subject. You can go and try it yourself. Try medusa or advancing jokeda, if you run enough dungeons, you will see that the drop rate is not equal for every piece.
You're offering as "proof" in a sample of 20 that you only got 2 inferno that the drops rates are different?? and have the nerve to call somebody "wrong"
They used basic statistics. Everybody should know it.
[Edit to remove bait]
My point was not about rarity, or complaining about it necessarily, i only pointed out that just because there are 4 staves doesn't mean the chance to drop for each of them is 1/4.
But people have trouble understanding this.
Although inferno staff of succession drop should be either increased or you get a chance for a weapon drop at each stage.
So basically, you guys made an argument that i didn't really bring up.
If you farm for sets like jokeda gold jewlery or medusa inferno you will realize after some runs that the chance to drop is not equal to other sets.
By the way, i didn't get 2 staves. And the actual medusa staves drops might actually be more than 20 now that i think about it. I didn;t really stand there and count them, but it was a lot of resto and ice staves, and very few inferno and lightning. For every group i joined.
[snip]
Yes, if we look at the actual drop rate, it is not that rare even compared to some other mmos, that was never the actual point.
[Edited for Baitng]Edited by Psiion on August 28, 2020 10:02PM0 -
Disturbed_One✭✭✭✭Disturbed_One wrote: »relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.
Look, out of about 50 runs, about 20 staves dropped, only 2 of those were inferno. Now, that was either extremely unlucky, or something is going on.
You know just because you have 4 staves doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily 1/4.
Same thing for advancing jokeda jewelry, if the chance to get it was really 1/6 then you would on average see 2 drops per raid, but that's not what actually happens.
So confirmation bias? No not really. I guess it is only if you close your eyes and pretend that if it 4 staves than the chance much be 1/4.
That's why I crossed out confirmation bias... since it's actually selection bias.
By the way. The odds of getting 2 inferno staves out of 20 drops is 6.69%... about 1 in 15. Not exactly uncommon. (Assuming there is a 25% drop rate of each)
It's like doing a poll of "who likes school", and then only people you poll are those that are failing school... of course you're going to get a high percentage to say they don't like it
The point was never about the percentage itself, the point was about how getting an inferno staff is not the same as getting an ice or resto or lightning. And you are trying to change the subject.
Inferno does not drop to the same rate as the other 3. And the second rarest is lightning.
At the end of the day you tried to change the subject so this will be the last reply. It's clear what you wanted to try.
The basic point i wanted to make is that just because there are 4 staves, doesn't mean that each of them has the same drop rate. That is all.
People just cannot stomach not being wrong, so need to change the subject. You can go and try it yourself. Try medusa or advancing jokeda, if you run enough dungeons, you will see that the drop rate is not equal for every piece.
You're offering as "proof" in a sample of 20 that you only got 2 inferno that the drops rates are different?? and have the nerve to call somebody "wrong"
They used basic statistics. Everybody should know it.
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My point was not about rarity, or complaining about it necessarily, i only pointed out that just because there are 4 staves doesn't mean the chance to drop for each of them is 1/4.
But people have trouble understanding this.
Although inferno staff of succession drop should be either increased or you get a chance for a weapon drop at each stage.
So basically, you guys made an argument that i didn't really bring up.
If you farm for sets like jokeda gold jewlery or medusa inferno you will realize after some runs that the chance to drop is not equal to other sets.
By the way, i didn't get 2 staves. And the actual medusa staves drops might actually be more than 20 now that i think about it. I didn;t really stand there and count them, but it was a lot of resto and ice staves, and very few inferno and lightning. For every group i joined.
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Yes, if we look at the actual drop rate, it is not that rare compared to some other mmos, that was never the actual point.
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Of course the drop rates COULD be different, they can program it to be whatever they want. But it's likely they are similar.
I guess I don't even understand your point then. You say one thing and then contradict it with the next statement. But, to each their own.
You literally said "Inferno does not drop to the same rate as the other 3. And the second rarest is lightning" and your "proof" is something that happens often by random chance.Edited by Psiion on August 28, 2020 10:04PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Increase the drop ratesIts some trolling sets, medusa might be the old SPC, remember farming it, well it was +50 runs, so many bows, even destro staffs was very rare. No jewelry at all, know this as I farmed in normal, had jewelry from vault.
After the first anniversary event I had gold so spent over a million on keys and got it.
Now for some reason SPC jewelry and weapons was not so hard to get after Summerset got released.
They keep confusing Khajiit, granted this is probably easy.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
Eifleber✭✭✭✭✭Increase the drop ratesDrop rates are generally ok - but sometimes it's utterly frustrating to do 100+ runs and still don't get that one inferno staff.
For example.
Must say that it wouldn't be bad if you'd also get 1 (dungeon specific) voucher per normal completion /2 per veteran and say 100 vouchers get you an item of choice or enchantment that changes the set an item belongs to.❆
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✭relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
This ^
I've come on these kind of topic time to time to explain this.
A token system would be way more useful and less boring.
X1 token = Random part of 1 set
X2 token = Choosing part of 1 set with random trait
X3 token = Choose part and trait[ PC EU ]
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✭✭✭✭✭Keep drop rates as they arerelentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.relentless_turnip wrote: »Surely it not as simple as increasing drop rates. I could be farming for frost staff of succession, flame staff of succession or sword and board... You see what I mean?
I currently have an equal chance of getting any of the above or none of them...
They could have a token system you could obtain by trading with the appropriate merchant, allowing you to get the item you want in exchange for many items you don't want.
Increasing drop rates for motif's, furnishing mats etc... Could be another debate? Changing that decreases their market value, as they become less rare this will upset other players that rely on that method for income.
Just like how you have an equal chance of getting inferno medusa compared to resto or ice.... Come on.
The people who have poor luck are the only ones who say anything. Those who get it as expected do not.
Confirmation bias sorry... selection bias at its best.
Look, out of about 50 runs, about 20 staves dropped, only 2 of those were inferno. Now, that was either extremely unlucky, or something is going on.
You know just because you have 4 staves doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily 1/4.
Same thing for advancing jokeda jewelry, if the chance to get it was really 1/6 then you would on average see 2 drops per raid, but that's not what actually happens.
So confirmation bias? No not really. I guess it is only if you close your eyes and pretend that if it 4 staves than the chance much be 1/4.
That's why I crossed out confirmation bias... since it's actually selection bias.
By the way. The odds of getting 2 inferno staves out of 20 drops is 6.69%... about 1 in 15. Not exactly uncommon. (Assuming there is a 25% drop rate of each)
It's like doing a poll of "who likes school", and then only people you poll are those that are failing school... of course you're going to get a high percentage to say they don't like it
and why we notice getting what we do not want which I suspect is part of your point.
Further, just looking at our personal drop chances does not provide a large enough sample to determine what the actual drop rate is. It is why you continue to note samples of the information you track to ensure you get a reasonable sample size to be able to deduce what is actually happening.2 -
stefj68✭✭✭✭✭Keep drop rates as they areI got 4 medusa inferno staff yesterday, run it 6 times... 2x precise 1x infused 1x trained... got 0 medusa chest in 4 days farming... yes sometimes drop rates are just annoying... 0 lightning/ice staffs
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Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭Increase the drop ratesI'd like the drop rates to be actually random. Because they do not seem to be. Like if i want some stam dps set from a dungeon, best to go on heal
am i rite? And like when ever some set is bis, it's very hard to get those right kind of weapons from set. For instance when viper set got nerfed, suddenly bows and 1-h and 2-h weapons were dropping all the time. It just seems like it is not honestly random at all. 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Increase the drop ratesSpecific weapons are always a nightmare in my experience to the point where I usually don't bother and use something else
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