Problem with Grim Focus

Rureczka

Why is there an about 0.2s interval between light attack and ability's proc? It's highly annoying when you do a 5th light attack and instead of firing the ability you refresh its duration.
I know it could be resolved as it's not the case with Bound Armaments. When you do a 4th light attack with BA, it procs in an instant and you're free to fire it at its full strength. So why not fix the Grim Focus? Why hasn't it been adressed already? I've found a topic on that from Jan 2018, so it's a well-known case:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389130/we-need-a-fix-for-relentless-focus-merciless-resolve-and-light-attacks

Luckylancer

If this is true, I will be important to fix it. I dont have any nb but I would got annoyed if my arnaments would malfunction.

nukk3r

Luckylancer wrote: »

If this is true, I will be important to fix it. I dont have any nb but I would got annoyed if my arnaments would malfunction.

It is true, I did a dummy parse yesterday and can confirm that the issue is still there.

JinMori

Yea i also don;t get it. It's highly annoying. 200 ms is not much, but when you get the rotation down sometimes you can still reapply the buff instead of firing the bow.

itsfatbass

Im assuming this has to do with travel time of the proc. Doesn't it have around a 200ms delay??

Deathlord92

It’s cost me a lot of kills in cyrodiil makes me salty every time

VaxtinTheWolf

I think the light attack has to make contact for it to trigger the stack. Were you you using a ranged weapon?

Rureczka

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

I think the light attack has to make contact for it to trigger the stack. Were you you using a ranged weapon?

I've tested it with Staves, Bows and Melee Weapons, It really doesn't matter.
In both Grim Focus and Bound Armaments it procs even before a light attacks deals its damage. In fact light attack doesn't even need to hit the target, as it does proc from this current situation: LA->Ability->Ability hits->Target dies->LA doesn't hit as it does not reach the target.
It's there just for the sake of it and should have been changed a long time ago.

Shantu

Drives me bananas. Pointlessly annoying.

xI_The_Owl_Ix

The biggest reason why I dislike magblade parsing. Hope they change it

erio

Rureczka wrote: »

Why is there an about 0.2s interval between light attack and ability's proc? It's highly annoying when you do a 5th light attack and instead of firing the ability you refresh its duration.
I know it could be resolved as it's not the case with Bound Armaments. When you do a 4th light attack with BA, it procs in an instant and you're free to fire it at its full strength. So why not fix the Grim Focus? Why hasn't it been adressed already? I've found a topic on that from Jan 2018, so it's a well-known case:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389130/we-need-a-fix-for-relentless-focus-merciless-resolve-and-light-attacks

I am of the opinion that since every other class has some sort of aoe or undodgeable ability, nb should have one. I vote that you cast the ability and on the 5th light attack it automatically fires.

Crash427

erio wrote: »

Rureczka wrote: »

Why is there an about 0.2s interval between light attack and ability's proc? It's highly annoying when you do a 5th light attack and instead of firing the ability you refresh its duration.
I know it could be resolved as it's not the case with Bound Armaments. When you do a 4th light attack with BA, it procs in an instant and you're free to fire it at its full strength. So why not fix the Grim Focus? Why hasn't it been adressed already? I've found a topic on that from Jan 2018, so it's a well-known case:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389130/we-need-a-fix-for-relentless-focus-merciless-resolve-and-light-attacks

I am of the opinion that since every other class has some sort of aoe or undodgeable ability, nb should have one. I vote that you cast the ability and on the 5th light attack it automatically fires.

That would be awful. Its bad enough as is but at least you can plan when to fire it. If it shot automatically after a fifth light attack you'd be far more likely to miss

blktauna

I can't even get the stupid thing to proc so you are ahead of me there.

Saubon

Rureczka wrote: »

Why is there an about 0.2s interval between light attack and ability's proc? It's highly annoying when you do a 5th light attack and instead of firing the ability you refresh its duration.
I know it could be resolved as it's not the case with Bound Armaments. When you do a 4th light attack with BA, it procs in an instant and you're free to fire it at its full strength. So why not fix the Grim Focus? Why hasn't it been adressed already? I've found a topic on that from Jan 2018, so it's a well-known case:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389130/we-need-a-fix-for-relentless-focus-merciless-resolve-and-light-attacks

This is common issue, I usually weave 5 abilities between bow procs instead o 4 just to be sure. I can do 4 at dummy, but in trials there is a bit of a latency or projectile travel time if you are mag.

universal_wrath

Rureczka wrote: »

Why is there an about 0.2s interval between light attack and ability's proc? It's highly annoying when you do a 5th light attack and instead of firing the ability you refresh its duration.
I know it could be resolved as it's not the case with Bound Armaments. When you do a 4th light attack with BA, it procs in an instant and you're free to fire it at its full strength. So why not fix the Grim Focus? Why hasn't it been adressed already? I've found a topic on that from Jan 2018, so it's a well-known case:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389130/we-need-a-fix-for-relentless-focus-merciless-resolve-and-light-attacks

I can confirm that. I recently referbished my magblade and I have noticed this problem. There is another thing I would point out that I experienced myself. The proc time seems to be related to the distance of LA travel. If I play in melee range, the proc is almost instant, but if I play in range, the proc delays and if I activated immediately after LA, i refresh the skill.

Rureczka

Saubon wrote: »

This is common issue, I usually weave 5 abilities between bow procs instead o 4 just to be sure. I can do 4 at dummy, but in trials there is a bit of a latency or projectile travel time if you are mag.

Yeah, I oftentimes do that too just to avoid that annoyance.

universal_wrath wrote: »

I can confirm that. I recently referbished my magblade and I have noticed this problem. There is another thing I would point out that I experienced myself. The proc time seems to be related to the distance of LA travel. If I play in melee range, the proc is almost instant, but if I play in range, the proc delays and if I activated immediately after LA, i refresh the skill.

That's interesting. I've checked it out now and it seems to be true. When in melee range it procs slighly faster compared to attacking from distance, yet still is not instant unfortunately, which again could lead to refreshing instead of attacking.

Grianasteri

This happens to me regularly until I remember and focus on leaving enough time so that the proc fires instead of renewing.

It is intensely frustrating because we have enough going on already to focus on. Its also a big dps drop even if its only a few procs here and there you mess up.
.

shadowofnarsil

universal_wrath wrote: »

Rureczka wrote: »

Why is there an about 0.2s interval between light attack and ability's proc? It's highly annoying when you do a 5th light attack and instead of firing the ability you refresh its duration.
I know it could be resolved as it's not the case with Bound Armaments. When you do a 4th light attack with BA, it procs in an instant and you're free to fire it at its full strength. So why not fix the Grim Focus? Why hasn't it been adressed already? I've found a topic on that from Jan 2018, so it's a well-known case:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389130/we-need-a-fix-for-relentless-focus-merciless-resolve-and-light-attacks

I can confirm that. I recently referbished my magblade and I have noticed this problem. There is another thing I would point out that I experienced myself. The proc time seems to be related to the distance of LA travel. If I play in melee range, the proc is almost instant, but if I play in range, the proc delays and if I activated immediately after LA, i refresh the skill.

Rureczka wrote: »

Saubon wrote: »

This is common issue, I usually weave 5 abilities between bow procs instead o 4 just to be sure. I can do 4 at dummy, but in trials there is a bit of a latency or projectile travel time if you are mag.

Yeah, I oftentimes do that too just to avoid that annoyance.

universal_wrath wrote: »

I can confirm that. I recently referbished my magblade and I have noticed this problem. There is another thing I would point out that I experienced myself. The proc time seems to be related to the distance of LA travel. If I play in melee range, the proc is almost instant, but if I play in range, the proc delays and if I activated immediately after LA, i refresh the skill.

That's interesting. I've checked it out now and it seems to be true. When in melee range it procs slighly faster compared to attacking from distance, yet still is not instant unfortunately, which again could lead to refreshing instead of attacking.

Grianasteri wrote: »

This happens to me regularly until I remember and focus on leaving enough time so that the proc fires instead of renewing.

It is intensely frustrating because we have enough going on already to focus on. Its also a big dps drop even if its only a few procs here and there you mess up.
.

Agree with all this, I have been using Grim Focus regularly for 2 years and since the patch 1) the delay is real, and does indeed seem to be based on distance, 2) a conscientious and deliberate rotation pause consistently then enables firing the proc and 3) yes, it is frustrating for me as well. To be honest, I know from the patch notes they did make some tweaks to this skill, which makes me suspicious even though nothing was mentioned involving an additional cooldown change - one never knows......

universal_wrath

shadowofnarsil wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Rureczka wrote: »

Why is there an about 0.2s interval between light attack and ability's proc? It's highly annoying when you do a 5th light attack and instead of firing the ability you refresh its duration.
I know it could be resolved as it's not the case with Bound Armaments. When you do a 4th light attack with BA, it procs in an instant and you're free to fire it at its full strength. So why not fix the Grim Focus? Why hasn't it been adressed already? I've found a topic on that from Jan 2018, so it's a well-known case:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389130/we-need-a-fix-for-relentless-focus-merciless-resolve-and-light-attacks

I can confirm that. I recently referbished my magblade and I have noticed this problem. There is another thing I would point out that I experienced myself. The proc time seems to be related to the distance of LA travel. If I play in melee range, the proc is almost instant, but if I play in range, the proc delays and if I activated immediately after LA, i refresh the skill.

Rureczka wrote: »

Saubon wrote: »

This is common issue, I usually weave 5 abilities between bow procs instead o 4 just to be sure. I can do 4 at dummy, but in trials there is a bit of a latency or projectile travel time if you are mag.

Yeah, I oftentimes do that too just to avoid that annoyance.

universal_wrath wrote: »

I can confirm that. I recently referbished my magblade and I have noticed this problem. There is another thing I would point out that I experienced myself. The proc time seems to be related to the distance of LA travel. If I play in melee range, the proc is almost instant, but if I play in range, the proc delays and if I activated immediately after LA, i refresh the skill.

That's interesting. I've checked it out now and it seems to be true. When in melee range it procs slighly faster compared to attacking from distance, yet still is not instant unfortunately, which again could lead to refreshing instead of attacking.

Grianasteri wrote: »

This happens to me regularly until I remember and focus on leaving enough time so that the proc fires instead of renewing.

It is intensely frustrating because we have enough going on already to focus on. Its also a big dps drop even if its only a few procs here and there you mess up.
.

Agree with all this, I have been using Grim Focus regularly for 2 years and since the patch 1) the delay is real, and does indeed seem to be based on distance, 2) a conscientious and deliberate rotation pause consistently then enables firing the proc and 3) yes, it is frustrating for me as well. To be honest, I know from the patch notes they did make some tweaks to this skill, which makes me suspicious even though nothing was mentioned involving an additional cooldown change - one never knows......

You know, most frustrating thing is that even in range, bow does proc relentless much faster than destro. It is not about magicka or stamina morhps, it is about what weapons do you use. Restoration staff proc relentless faster than both destruction staff and bow because its LA travel time is near non existant. You can choose any morph of relentless and pair it with multie weapons, most optimal are melee and restoration staff. Sometimes in pvp, you see magblades spamming resto LA to proc relentless instead of destro LA.

JayKwellen

universal_wrath wrote: »

Restoration staff proc relentless faster than both destruction staff and bow because its LA travel time is near non existant. You can choose any morph of relentless and pair it with multie weapons, most optimal are melee and restoration staff. Sometimes in pvp, you see magblades spamming resto LA to proc relentless instead of destro LA.

Yup, this is absolutely why I do it. The fire destro in particular is just so damn slow that pretty much no one is getting hit by it unless they choose to let it happen. Poking with the resto staff is also super useful if you've got someone down to "one hit and you die" range, since that's when a lot of people start running and rolling frantically, and ain't no destro LA ever gonna hit someone roll dodging. The resto will though. It's also lightweight hilarious to have someone dodging away for dear life thinking they're safe, only to poke them with the little bop from the resto staff and kill them.

shadowofnarsil

Geesus, I’m glad I don’t PvP.

hakan

universal_wrath wrote: »

shadowofnarsil wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Rureczka wrote: »

Why is there an about 0.2s interval between light attack and ability's proc? It's highly annoying when you do a 5th light attack and instead of firing the ability you refresh its duration.
I know it could be resolved as it's not the case with Bound Armaments. When you do a 4th light attack with BA, it procs in an instant and you're free to fire it at its full strength. So why not fix the Grim Focus? Why hasn't it been adressed already? I've found a topic on that from Jan 2018, so it's a well-known case:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389130/we-need-a-fix-for-relentless-focus-merciless-resolve-and-light-attacks

I can confirm that. I recently referbished my magblade and I have noticed this problem. There is another thing I would point out that I experienced myself. The proc time seems to be related to the distance of LA travel. If I play in melee range, the proc is almost instant, but if I play in range, the proc delays and if I activated immediately after LA, i refresh the skill.

Rureczka wrote: »

Saubon wrote: »

This is common issue, I usually weave 5 abilities between bow procs instead o 4 just to be sure. I can do 4 at dummy, but in trials there is a bit of a latency or projectile travel time if you are mag.

Yeah, I oftentimes do that too just to avoid that annoyance.

universal_wrath wrote: »

I can confirm that. I recently referbished my magblade and I have noticed this problem. There is another thing I would point out that I experienced myself. The proc time seems to be related to the distance of LA travel. If I play in melee range, the proc is almost instant, but if I play in range, the proc delays and if I activated immediately after LA, i refresh the skill.

That's interesting. I've checked it out now and it seems to be true. When in melee range it procs slighly faster compared to attacking from distance, yet still is not instant unfortunately, which again could lead to refreshing instead of attacking.

Grianasteri wrote: »

This happens to me regularly until I remember and focus on leaving enough time so that the proc fires instead of renewing.

It is intensely frustrating because we have enough going on already to focus on. Its also a big dps drop even if its only a few procs here and there you mess up.
.

Agree with all this, I have been using Grim Focus regularly for 2 years and since the patch 1) the delay is real, and does indeed seem to be based on distance, 2) a conscientious and deliberate rotation pause consistently then enables firing the proc and 3) yes, it is frustrating for me as well. To be honest, I know from the patch notes they did make some tweaks to this skill, which makes me suspicious even though nothing was mentioned involving an additional cooldown change - one never knows......

You know, most frustrating thing is that even in range, bow does proc relentless much faster than destro. It is not about magicka or stamina morhps, it is about what weapons do you use. Restoration staff proc relentless faster than both destruction staff and bow because its LA travel time is near non existant. You can choose any morph of relentless and pair it with multie weapons, most optimal are melee and restoration staff. Sometimes in pvp, you see magblades spamming resto LA to proc relentless instead of destro LA.

nice. ill keep that in mind.

erio

Crash427 wrote: »

erio wrote: »

Rureczka wrote: »

Why is there an about 0.2s interval between light attack and ability's proc? It's highly annoying when you do a 5th light attack and instead of firing the ability you refresh its duration.
I know it could be resolved as it's not the case with Bound Armaments. When you do a 4th light attack with BA, it procs in an instant and you're free to fire it at its full strength. So why not fix the Grim Focus? Why hasn't it been adressed already? I've found a topic on that from Jan 2018, so it's a well-known case:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389130/we-need-a-fix-for-relentless-focus-merciless-resolve-and-light-attacks

I am of the opinion that since every other class has some sort of aoe or undodgeable ability, nb should have one. I vote that you cast the ability and on the 5th light attack it automatically fires.

That would be awful. Its bad enough as is but at least you can plan when to fire it. If it shot automatically after a fifth light attack you'd be far more likely to miss

Imagine a sorcs execute but it triggers on 5th light attack is what i was saying.

Strider__Roshin

Oh every Nightblade is well aware, but don't expect ZOS to fix it.

hexnotic

N/A

Sahidom

Some NB don't bother with Grim Focus. They should have just added a next attack damage bonus than the spectral bow. It would have had a smoother output to rotations.