Werewolf v Vampire 1v1

Weesacs

Who is going to win ...

Gythral

Nerfs win every time

fierackas

WW, the Vampires have all been cured

Vevvev

Werewolf

Vampire only if they have the ultimate saved to use their ultimate when the werewolf goes into werewolf form, and only when the werewolf doesn't kite the vampire ultimate form once used.

If neither of those conditions are satisfied.... werewolf wins every time. They have a better kit that works while vampire has a mishmash of utility and a steroidal boost known as Blood Scion. Take Blood Scion away and vampire has no chance.

SlimeBro1

Werewolf

Werewolves have better self healing than vampires.


Let that sink in.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Vampire

Vampires have access to all abilities of their class, all weapon skill lines, guild abilities and more, Werwwolves only have 5 abilities.

Fur_like_snow

Feel like a vamp could build 500 ultimate than use scion with balorgh. Might work.

Vevvev

Werewolf

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

Werewolves have better self healing than vampires.


Let that sink in.

Its complete and total heresy. A mythical monster known for siphoning and feeding off life ends up getting less healing than a hairy beast that howls at moons.

The old vampire had way better healing because they could heal by feeding, which could be done in combat, and had Devouring Swarm which healed for a lot, especially if you used it in a crowd of enemies. New vampire seems more focused on eating as much of its own health pool as possible instead of replenishing it.

SlimeBro1

Werewolf

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vampires have access to all abilities of their class, all weapon skill lines, guild abilities and more, Werwwolves only have 5 abilities.

yet that 5 abilities is still more of a complete kit than what vampire gets and you can only bandied fix vampire's kit with other abilities so much.

Yet werewolves already have a complete kit right there. I still think vampires would lose simply because werewolves receive no negatives.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Vampire

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vampires have access to all abilities of their class, all weapon skill lines, guild abilities and more, Werwwolves only have 5 abilities.

yet that 5 abilities is still more of a complete kit than what vampire gets and you can only bandied fix vampire's kit with other abilities so much.

Yet werewolves already have a complete kit right there. I still think vampires would lose simply because werewolves receive no negatives.

This is a Vampire versus a Werewolf, nothing indicates the Vampire need use any Vampire abilities though.

So basically this can be Werewolf vs Stamina DK/Mage templar/Stam Sorceror who just also happens to have the Vampire skill-line and just having said skill-line makes them a Vampire.

dsalter

Werewolf

the werewolf wins by default because werewolves are very strong in 1v1 situations due to sheer pressure and control.

SlimeBro1

Werewolf

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vampires have access to all abilities of their class, all weapon skill lines, guild abilities and more, Werwwolves only have 5 abilities.

yet that 5 abilities is still more of a complete kit than what vampire gets and you can only bandied fix vampire's kit with other abilities so much.

Yet werewolves already have a complete kit right there. I still think vampires would lose simply because werewolves receive no negatives.

This is a Vampire versus a Werewolf, nothing indicates the Vampire need use any Vampire abilities though.

So basically this can be Werewolf vs Stamina DK/Mage templar/Stam Sorceror who just also happens to have the Vampire skill-line and just having said skill-line makes them a Vampire.

Well if we're using that logic then technically speaking a werewolf doesnt need to be transformed either.

Untransformed they are still a werewolf.

The thread implies vamp abilities and werewolf transformation is indeed used, I would imagine. Because then with your logic we'd just be talking about "Stam vs Magicka 1v1"

Ryuvain

Vampire

Im a werewolf but I admit: class abilities + vamp > werewolf. Only because class abilities > vamp and werewolf.

Was nerfing wolves the intention of this thread? That's what it's going to cause.

I know vamps are mad about nerfs but getting werewolf nerfed will just make everyone angry. Werewolf was dumpstered already for a long time, and they still are inferior to normal classes.

Guthix_of_the_Green

Werewolf

vampire has 0% health regen and fell down a few 5 ft drops, on his way to the battle field.

ZaroktheImmortal

Vampires have been nerfed into the ground they gave them a new ability line then nerfed the only ability anyone wanted to use on it while giving vampires all these drawbacks even at stage one including extra ability cost to non vamp abilities that no one will want to use any more cause they nerfed the only decent one and couldn't make a decent ability line.

ZaroktheImmortal

Ryuvain wrote: »

Im a werewolf but I admit: class abilities + vamp > werewolf. Only because class abilities > vamp and werewolf.

Was nerfing wolves the intention of this thread? That's what it's going to cause.

I know vamps are mad about nerfs but getting werewolf nerfed will just make everyone angry. Werewolf was dumpstered already for a long time, and they still are inferior to normal classes.

Well to be honest in their current state it's bad for everyone they give you an ability line that's bad and it cost more to do non vamp abilities at least werewolf you don't get any drawbacks outside of werewolf form. I don't want werewolf nerfed I want them to fix vampires.

Jeremy

Weesacs wrote: »

Who is going to win ...

Depends on the werewolf. Depends on the Vampire.

ZaroktheImmortal

At this point I just wish they'd give me a skin at least that matches vampire look so I can have the pale look I like without all these drawbacks.

Scrollup

Werewolf

Werewolf will win if its just a regular WW vs a regular Vamp.

Elder Vamp will win obviously. but if there is an Elder WW then its a toss up.

Tommy_The_Gun

Vampire

Ahh... The salty thread... Wonder why we did not had those last year during Elsweyr story when WW was laying around on the floor with its limbs cut-off...

Back then even thinking of comparing those was considered "a joke". Vamps were um... "meta" for both PvE & PvP... And yet they wanted so much to finally have a "re-vamp"... Well I was warning people it may happen if you ask for changes... I guess a lot of Vamps would want to re-vert Vampire skill line to how it was before...

Anyway, I am not advocating for any of them. When I play on my Vamp - I like Vamp. When I play on my WW - I like WW. So I am not trying to "pick a side" here. I am trying to be objective.

I guess it would all depend on a context / build / player, but I would say that in a duel it would be 50/50. WW could try to burst vamp down. True. On the other hand Vamp could try to sprint / invisibilty and attack from stelth to stun / burst down WW (or use vamp ulti). WW has a poison dmg /snare / negative effects removal weakness that can be easily exploited. Vamp has fire dmg / low health recovery weakness - but it is more universal imho. It can still use class / weapon / guild skills. And low health recovery is compensated by vamp health drain abbilities.

Cyro is different. In open world PvP without a doubt Vamp is winning there. WW does not have access to some ctitical skills like snare / negative effect removal - while Vamp can and this makes it more universal and an obvious winner.
IC and BGs I do not consider because in IC basically whoever is using Imperial Physique and has more stacks - wins. BGs on the other hand have team mm RNG.

Overall I would like to say WW & Vamp are close to each other, on a similar level. They both have its strenghs & weakneses. They both have its unique playstyle and usecase. The only desiding factor is type of content and guess curently there is more content in which Vamp has better chances of winning.

Edit: One important thing I forgot about. Rare, but it happens. If WW build is caught outside of its WW form it has no chances vs average Vamp.

Josira

Werewolf

Truely,I ticked the box of what it really means to-nO i WilL not StoP With THeSE JokeS unhAnD mE Sir!

In all seriousness,A dedicated Werewolf Build against a Dedicated Vampire Build? easy win for werewolf.
if this wasnt about dedicated builds for them? A vampire would win. but it wouldnt be 'because vampire skill tree' it would be because they have access to their class abilities. and would be more or less 'A x class won against a werewolf' rather then Vampire vs Werewolf.
And since most melee classes have better options then to pick anything from the vampire class...well..Whats the point.
The answer is none. give me internet points now please.

MerguezMan

Werewolf

Assuming we talk about dedicated werewolf/vampire builds, I'd say WW easily.

In ESO context, though, I'd say the loading screen wins.

SlimeBro1

Werewolf

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Ahh... The salty thread... Wonder why we did not had those last year during Elsweyr story when WW was laying around on the floor with its limbs cut-off...

Back then even thinking of comparing those was considered "a joke". Vamps were um... "meta" for both PvE & PvP... And yet they wanted so much to finally have a "re-vamp"... Well I was warning people it may happen if you ask for changes... I guess a lot of Vamps would want to re-vert Vampire skill line to how it was before...

Anyway, I am not advocating for any of them. When I play on my Vamp - I like Vamp. When I play on my WW - I like WW. So I am not trying to "pick a side" here. I am trying to be objective.

I guess it would all depend on a context / build / player, but I would say that in a duel it would be 50/50. WW could try to burst vamp down. True. On the other hand Vamp could try to sprint / invisibilty and attack from stelth to stun / burst down WW (or use vamp ulti). WW has a poison dmg /snare / negative effects removal weakness that can be easily exploited. Vamp has fire dmg / low health recovery weakness - but it is more universal imho. It can still use class / weapon / guild skills. And low health recovery is compensated by vamp health drain abbilities.

Cyro is different. In open world PvP without a doubt Vamp is winning there. WW does not have access to some ctitical skills like snare / negative effect removal - while Vamp can and this makes it more universal and an obvious winner.
IC and BGs I do not consider because in IC basically whoever is using Imperial Physique and has more stacks - wins. BGs on the other hand have team mm RNG.

Overall I would like to say WW & Vamp are close to each other, on a similar level. They both have its strenghs & weakneses. They both have its unique playstyle and usecase. The only desiding factor is type of content and guess curently there is more content in which Vamp has better chances of winning.

Edit: One important thing I forgot about. Rare, but it happens. If WW build is caught outside of its WW form it has no chances vs average Vamp.

What is vampire's unique play style, exactly?

Killing itself? Dying alone?

If you GENUINELY think the vampire health recovery penalty is compensated by vampire drain (vampire's only drain ability) then that is pretty much all I need to see. I hope you know that vampiric drain is one of the worst abilities in the game? And slotting it is literally harmful to the character you're playing as? You heal more for simply tapping radiating regen once. Or any other class heal for that matter.

And that....werewolf has more self-healing than vampire? Yeah, kinda crazy.

If a full bar vampire fought a transformed werewolf, assuming both chars have builds focused on being a werewolf or vampire. Vampire will lose every single time because it'll be too busy killing itself to actually deal any damage. All werewolf has to do is kite out the Blood Scion since vamps have no gap closer. Boom. Instant win. Or even better, kite out the vamp till they kill themselves with blood frenzy. Instant win.

And that 'heal' you say compensates the lack of HP recovery can be interrupted by Werewolf's fearing roar and put on a CD.

You are trying to be objective without taking any of ^ that into consideration.

(Also I think it is pretty clear the OP is referring to a pure vamp vs pure werewolf 1v1, no class abilities and all of that jaz. If a vamp wins because they can slot class abilities, then that really isn't winning because they are a vampire, that's winning because they're x class.)

Ryuvain

Vampire

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Ahh... The salty thread... Wonder why we did not had those last year during Elsweyr story when WW was laying around on the floor with its limbs cut-off...

Back then even thinking of comparing those was considered "a joke". Vamps were um... "meta" for both PvE & PvP... And yet they wanted so much to finally have a "re-vamp"... Well I was warning people it may happen if you ask for changes... I guess a lot of Vamps would want to re-vert Vampire skill line to how it was before...

Anyway, I am not advocating for any of them. When I play on my Vamp - I like Vamp. When I play on my WW - I like WW. So I am not trying to "pick a side" here. I am trying to be objective.

I guess it would all depend on a context / build / player, but I would say that in a duel it would be 50/50. WW could try to burst vamp down. True. On the other hand Vamp could try to sprint / invisibilty and attack from stelth to stun / burst down WW (or use vamp ulti). WW has a poison dmg /snare / negative effects removal weakness that can be easily exploited. Vamp has fire dmg / low health recovery weakness - but it is more universal imho. It can still use class / weapon / guild skills. And low health recovery is compensated by vamp health drain abbilities.

Cyro is different. In open world PvP without a doubt Vamp is winning there. WW does not have access to some ctitical skills like snare / negative effect removal - while Vamp can and this makes it more universal and an obvious winner.
IC and BGs I do not consider because in IC basically whoever is using Imperial Physique and has more stacks - wins. BGs on the other hand have team mm RNG.

Overall I would like to say WW & Vamp are close to each other, on a similar level. They both have its strenghs & weakneses. They both have its unique playstyle and usecase. The only desiding factor is type of content and guess curently there is more content in which Vamp has better chances of winning.

Edit: One important thing I forgot about. Rare, but it happens. If WW build is caught outside of its WW form it has no chances vs average Vamp.

What is vampire's unique play style, exactly?

Killing itself? Dying alone?

If you GENUINELY think the vampire health recovery penalty is compensated by vampire drain (vampire's only drain ability) then that is pretty much all I need to see. I hope you know that vampiric drain is one of the worst abilities in the game? And slotting it is literally harmful to the character you're playing as? You heal more for simply tapping radiating regen once. Or any other class heal for that matter.

And that....werewolf has more self-healing than vampire? Yeah, kinda crazy.

If a full bar vampire fought a transformed werewolf, assuming both chars have builds focused on being a werewolf or vampire. Vampire will lose every single time because it'll be too busy killing itself to actually deal any damage. All werewolf has to do is kite out the Blood Scion since vamps have no gap closer. Boom. Instant win. Or even better, kite out the vamp till they kill themselves with blood frenzy. Instant win.

And that 'heal' you say compensates the lack of HP recovery can be interrupted by Werewolf's fearing roar and put on a CD.

You are trying to be objective without taking any of ^ that into consideration.

(Also I think it is pretty clear the OP is referring to a pure vamp vs pure werewolf 1v1, no class abilities and all of that jaz. If a vamp wins because they can slot class abilities, then that really isn't winning because they are a vampire, that's winning because they're x class.)

That's pretty unfair to say vamp can only use vamp abilities. You're obviously setting it up to fail to make werewolf win. One main draw to vamp is that it's an add-on to your class. That's how it was designed. Just like how wolves are designed to be locked in their abilities.

Chrlynsch

SlimeBro1 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Ahh... The salty thread... Wonder why we did not had those last year during Elsweyr story when WW was laying around on the floor with its limbs cut-off...

Back then even thinking of comparing those was considered "a joke". Vamps were um... "meta" for both PvE & PvP... And yet they wanted so much to finally have a "re-vamp"... Well I was warning people it may happen if you ask for changes... I guess a lot of Vamps would want to re-vert Vampire skill line to how it was before...

Anyway, I am not advocating for any of them. When I play on my Vamp - I like Vamp. When I play on my WW - I like WW. So I am not trying to "pick a side" here. I am trying to be objective.

I guess it would all depend on a context / build / player, but I would say that in a duel it would be 50/50. WW could try to burst vamp down. True. On the other hand Vamp could try to sprint / invisibilty and attack from stelth to stun / burst down WW (or use vamp ulti). WW has a poison dmg /snare / negative effects removal weakness that can be easily exploited. Vamp has fire dmg / low health recovery weakness - but it is more universal imho. It can still use class / weapon / guild skills. And low health recovery is compensated by vamp health drain abbilities.

Cyro is different. In open world PvP without a doubt Vamp is winning there. WW does not have access to some ctitical skills like snare / negative effect removal - while Vamp can and this makes it more universal and an obvious winner.
IC and BGs I do not consider because in IC basically whoever is using Imperial Physique and has more stacks - wins. BGs on the other hand have team mm RNG.

Overall I would like to say WW & Vamp are close to each other, on a similar level. They both have its strenghs & weakneses. They both have its unique playstyle and usecase. The only desiding factor is type of content and guess curently there is more content in which Vamp has better chances of winning.

Edit: One important thing I forgot about. Rare, but it happens. If WW build is caught outside of its WW form it has no chances vs average Vamp.

What is vampire's unique play style, exactly?

Killing itself? Dying alone?

If you GENUINELY think the vampire health recovery penalty is compensated by vampire drain (vampire's only drain ability) then that is pretty much all I need to see. I hope you know that vampiric drain is one of the worst abilities in the game? And slotting it is literally harmful to the character you're playing as? You heal more for simply tapping radiating regen once. Or any other class heal for that matter.

And that....werewolf has more self-healing than vampire? Yeah, kinda crazy.

If a full bar vampire fought a transformed werewolf, assuming both chars have builds focused on being a werewolf or vampire. Vampire will lose every single time because it'll be too busy killing itself to actually deal any damage. All werewolf has to do is kite out the Blood Scion since vamps have no gap closer. Boom. Instant win. Or even better, kite out the vamp till they kill themselves with blood frenzy. Instant win.

And that 'heal' you say compensates the lack of HP recovery can be interrupted by Werewolf's fearing roar and put on a CD.

You are trying to be objective without taking any of ^ that into consideration.

(Also I think it is pretty clear the OP is referring to a pure vamp vs pure werewolf 1v1, no class abilities and all of that jaz. If a vamp wins because they can slot class abilities, then that really isn't winning because they are a vampire, that's winning because they're x class.)

Why do you think the Op is referring to a pure Vamp build? Vampire is not limited to only vamp abilities they have 2 bars, that is one of their greatest strengths over the werewolf, so why would you tie your hands behind your back without being asked to? Vampires can also choose to run however many vamp abilities as they want for their build and still take advantage of their vamp passives.

So the question who would win in a 1v1 becomes a lot harder to answer because certain class have great tools for dealing with werewolf, while others may struggle.