Stop splitting elements to different classes and make 1 elemntal/mage class.

Aertew

Warde having Ice and sorcer having Lightning make no sense. Sorcerers should have illusion and Warden should have replaced Ice with more nature, since they are a druid class. There should just be a Battle-mage that use long range spells that can be massive AOE. Opinions?

the1andonlyskwex

It's way too late to fundamentally change class identities like that.

Also, Nightblade is already the illusion-based class.

Aertew

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

It's way too late to fundamentally change class identities like that.

Also, Nightblade is already the illusion-based class.

Havn't played Templar or Nightblade yet, so excuse me on that, I didn't know, but from alot of talk it sounds like all the illusion is, is going invisible. So if there are more abilities, I don't hear about them being used. Guess the lighting doesn't bug me that much since it is pretty cool and it is part of Sorc identity now. Though just seems wierd design wise in my opinion.

Celestro

Each class has been designed with both stamina and magicka qualities, so having a class that encompasses all magicka abilities and damage types while essentially taking away all the magicka aspects of other classes would be madness.

If that is indeed what you're stating anyways.

JobooAGS

Ummmm for mag
Dk = fire
Warden = ice
Sorcerer = lightning
Necro = all
Nb = illusion/magic
Templar = Restoration/magic/fire (vampire’s bane)

Aertew

Celestro wrote: »

Each class has been designed with both stamina and magicka qualities, so having a class that encompasses all magicka abilities and damage types while essentially taking away all the magicka aspects of other classes would be madness.

If that is indeed what you're stating anyways.

I meant like classes that have a whole skill line for one element, like Warden having Ice and sorcerer having lightning, there really isn't a relation to the elements to the classes. Like I said it seems weird a design choice. I get Dragon knight having fire attacks though since it makes sense.

YandereGirlfriend

If we are talking only about elemental damage affinities then I would LOVE this change.

Everyone raves about the power fantasy (Pyromancer) of the magDK because the class is all-in on that damage type and every skill that you use visibly fits into the class's theme.

Sorcerer is a wonky kludge of damage types that keeps the power fantasy ambiguous and severely limits the utility of what should be the class's signature damage type, Lightning. This is even more pronounced if you don't use pets. It also means that the class bonus to Lightning Damage is overwhelmingly weak compared to, say, the Warden's bonus to Frost and Magic damage.

Of course, many other aspects of combat feed into this (such as the OP nature of the Inferno Staff and its passives), but streamlining elemental affinities would be a fantastic first step toward balancing the elements and increasing the power fantasies of all classes.

ecru

magcro uses every element

YandereGirlfriend

Indeed, and that is what makes them unique. It's a good example of a power fantasy, at least in that respect.

Obviously there aren't currently enough damage types in the game to give every sub-class a monopoly on one of them.*

However, classes that are expressly designed to play into a certain damage type (magDK, magSorc, magWarden, stamDK come immediately to mind) shouldn't have their skills awkwardly and arbitrarily divvied up between several different damage types, as it dilutes the identity of the class and hinders balance and itemization.

*Of course, there is still room to increase the number of damage types based upon prior Elder Scrolls lore. Magicka Templars, for example, could be given Sun Damage (introduced in Skyrim:Dawnguard) while stamPlars could be given (Moon)Light Damage (introduced in base game Skyrim). That would leave magBlades as the only generic Magic Damage class and that would be fine since it would be unique to them. (Or, you could lean into whatever is meant by a 'Night Rune' from the Soul Shred ultimate description and create something new, such as 'Dark Damage').

universal_wrath

JobooAGS wrote: »

Ummmm for mag
Dk = fire
Warden = ice
Sorcerer = lightning
Necro = all
Nb = illusion/magic
Templar = Restoration/magic/fire (vampire’s bane)

Let me adjust this a bit,

DK= fire/magic
Warden=ice/magic/summon
Sorcerer=lightining/magic/summon
Necromancer=fire/ice/lightning/summon
Nightblade= summon/magic (dark magic)
Temar= fire/ magic (holy magic)

universal_wrath

Aertew wrote: »

Celestro wrote: »

Each class has been designed with both stamina and magicka qualities, so having a class that encompasses all magicka abilities and damage types while essentially taking away all the magicka aspects of other classes would be madness.

If that is indeed what you're stating anyways.

I meant like classes that have a whole skill line for one element, like Warden having Ice and sorcerer having lightning, there really isn't a relation to the elements to the classes. Like I said it seems weird a design choice. I get Dragon knight having fire attacks though since it makes sense.

you may call frost damage of warden is sub element since it only has 2 damage ability and rst are utility, main damage type of warden is its summons like cliff racer, chalk, and others in animal companion.

Sorcerer as well same to have the lightning as sub element and mainly a summon and magic type since its hard hitting abilities and most used as welll are actually magic based or pets.

Magicka necromancer is the only class in the game that has a balance of all elements which is why a set like elemnta succussesion fits perfectly with necromancers. Due to the nature of the necromancer abilities, I think it a natural enemy to warden.

Dragonknight has magic type damage as sub element and fire as main element.

Nightblade has has summon as sub element and magic as main.

Templar has fire as sub element and magic as main. Same as warden and necromancer, templar seem to be a natural enemy to nightblade.

MashmalloMan

I've been saying this forever. By updating the elemental affinities closer to DK (most of their damage = fire) and Warden (stronger elemental passive, 10% frost/magic passive) they would have a fix for so many of the games current design problems regarding class identity, set and skill choice and variety.

If they ever finally create Spell Crafting, there needs to be REAL reasons for classes to build different skills. As the current system stands, everyone would build for single target fire damage which is the largest argument against a system like that. If there is no incentives for different damage types, everyone would become a cookie cutter fire build.

CP brings this even further because it gives 10+% to all elements with 20+% for dot/direct damage. 5% for 1 element is absolute trash in comparison.

This results in a Sorc for example getting +30% for any magicka damage type while only 35% towards shock damage.. Add in the burning status effect being the strongest, Elemental Fire Blockades +20% damage done, fire staves 8% single target damage and how the majority of monster sets are currently FIRE and it's clear the +5% shock passive won't sway a sorcs decision at all.

Celestro

Aertew wrote: »

Celestro wrote: »

Each class has been designed with both stamina and magicka qualities, so having a class that encompasses all magicka abilities and damage types while essentially taking away all the magicka aspects of other classes would be madness.

If that is indeed what you're stating anyways.

I meant like classes that have a whole skill line for one element, like Warden having Ice and sorcerer having lightning, there really isn't a relation to the elements to the classes. Like I said it seems weird a design choice. I get Dragon knight having fire attacks though since it makes sense.

Ah I can see where youre coming from with that from a design standpoint then, especially if you're alluding to characteristics of the classes from other games.

Scion_of_Yggdrasil

Yes and no. Sometimes it just makes sense. DK and fire, Warden and Ice, but Sorcerer... Sorcs should be the shining example of all of the elements and schools of magic.

If we do get a new class, it would be nice to see the often asked for Spellsword, or its variants. Maybe then it could offer a little taste of everything.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I feel like the classes all need an update for their damages types. It would be very easy to do.

Dragonknights Magic = Fire / Stamina = Poison

Necromancer Magic = All Elements / Stamina = Disease

Nightblade Magic = Magic / Stamina = Disease

Sorcerer Magic = Lightning / Stamina = Physical

Templar Magic = Fire / Stamina = Physical

Warden Magic = Ice / Stamina = Poison

It would be a nice balance for the stamina classes and magic classes would all get a speciality that fits there classes Dragonknight are well dragons so fire they are mostly there. Templars have such a heavy focus on the sun and “burning” all fire would make more sense then this mixed bag. Nightblades are already pure magic damage.
Necromancers are already perfect elementals. Sorcerers get the title of lightning with their most used powers being magic damage it’s easy to fix charged fragments and just like that it’s shock damage. The class also need more AoEs seeing as Lightning Staff’s 8% is only to AoEs it’s off putting that Sorcerers can get more from fire staves then lightning staves.
Warden would be able to focus on ice damage once again mixed damage types makes it hard to focus your class to it’s full power. Pure damage types open up so many paths for all classes.

Pterion87

Celestro wrote: »

Each class has been designed with both stamina and magicka qualities, so having a class that encompasses all magicka abilities and damage types while essentially taking away all the magicka aspects of other classes would be madness.

If that is indeed what you're stating anyways.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that may apply to most classes except the dk. The stamina dk only have 3 skills, yes, 3 (and all 3 are morph) of stamina, that's why it is the weakest pve class of stamina.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Pterion87 wrote: »

Celestro wrote: »

Each class has been designed with both stamina and magicka qualities, so having a class that encompasses all magicka abilities and damage types while essentially taking away all the magicka aspects of other classes would be madness.

If that is indeed what you're stating anyways.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that may apply to most classes except the dk. The stamina dk only have 3 skills, yes, 3 (and all 3 are morph) of stamina, that's why it is the weakest pve class of stamina.

Then I must be the bearer of even worst news only Warden and Necromancer were made with stamina morphs in mind the core four had magic morphs that was mostly used my stamina build converted to stamina morphs.

Kardrik

An elementalist class would actually be quite awesome!
I would say, like others have suggested here, strengthen each of the class's affinities towards their magic type, and a new class could be an elementalist which is more or less classic Destruction mage.

Straight up fire tree, ice tree, and lightning tree.
You can do so much more with each of these elements than what the game has currently,
Would be fun for stamina builds, too! Good ol spellsword class for stam, and elementalist for magicka

Xvorg

Aertew wrote: »

Warde having Ice and sorcer having Lightning make no sense. Sorcerers should have illusion and Warden should have replaced Ice with more nature, since they are a druid class. There should just be a Battle-mage that use long range spells that can be massive AOE. Opinions?

Aertew wrote: »

Warde having Ice and sorcer having Lightning make no sense. Sorcerers should have illusion and Warden should have replaced Ice with more nature, since they are a druid class. There should just be a Battle-mage that use long range spells that can be massive AOE. Opinions?

That train left the station long time ago

lucky_Sage

Dk is the fire battle mage
Night blade illusion assassin/shadow blood mage
Sorc lighting and dark magic(alteration) summon daedra
Necro summons corpses and uses corpse for abilties.
Templar holy magic battle priest with spear stabs
Warden nature healer and animal with some ice tanky makes zero sense would of much rather had the a frost for dmg line love ice mages but zos ruined that

Vevvev

Technically any class can be an elementalist with the Destruction staff skill line but I understand what you're getting at. You want a class where all the damage types are weaved into the class kit.

Also people are forgetting Nightblade's other forms of illusion magic like fear, their ability to blur themselves to become harder to hit, and cripple their foes. Its more than just the shade and invisibility.

Xvorg

Vevvev wrote: »

Technically any class can be an elementalist with the Destruction staff skill line but I understand what you're getting at. You want a class where all the damage types are weaved into the class kit.

Also people are forgetting Nightblade's other forms of illusion magic like fear, their ability to blur themselves to become harder to hit, and cripple their foes. Its more than just the shade and invisibility.

Blur was an amazing skill... saddly ZoS changed it into that stupid AoE dmg reduction.

I would like passive dodging back again. There were counters in the same way there were counters to reflect, but instead they chose a more generic and lackluster game.

Celestro

Pterion87 wrote: »

Celestro wrote: »

Each class has been designed with both stamina and magicka qualities, so having a class that encompasses all magicka abilities and damage types while essentially taking away all the magicka aspects of other classes would be madness.

If that is indeed what you're stating anyways.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that may apply to most classes except the dk. The stamina dk only have 3 skills, yes, 3 (and all 3 are morph) of stamina, that's why it is the weakest pve class of stamina.

I dont think you understand what I was saying there. Regardless though, as you just mentioned, DK does indeed have magicka and stamina skills. The number isn't relevant to anything I said.

Artim_X

Storm calling BiS skill line! Go sorc or go home!

VocalThought

universal_wrath wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Ummmm for mag
Dk = fire
Warden = ice
Sorcerer = lightning
Necro = all
Nb = illusion/magic
Templar = Restoration/magic/fire (vampire’s bane)

Let me adjust this a bit,

DK= fire/magic
Warden=ice/magic/summon
Sorcerer=lightining/magic/summon
Necromancer=fire/ice/lightning/summon
Nightblade= summon/magic (dark magic)
Temar= fire/ magic (holy magic)

Let me adjust this a bit more
DK= Fire(Poison)/ Earth/ Dragon
Warden=Ice/Plants/ Animal
Sorcerer=Lightining/Dark Magic/Deidric Summoning
Necromancer= Unholy Magic/ Undead Summoning/ Commanding lifeforce
Nightblade= Shadow Magic/Power Draining/ Killer Instincts
Templar= Light Magic/ Holy Magic/ Aedric Weapon

Berchelous

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I feel like the classes all need an update for their damages types. It would be very easy to do.

Dragonknights Magic = Fire / Stamina = Poison

Necromancer Magic = All Elements / Stamina = Disease

Nightblade Magic = Magic / Stamina = Disease

Sorcerer Magic = Lightning / Stamina = Physical

Templar Magic = Fire / Stamina = Physical

Warden Magic = Ice / Stamina = Poison

It would be a nice balance for the stamina classes and magic classes would all get a speciality that fits there classes Dragonknight are well dragons so fire they are mostly there. Templars have such a heavy focus on the sun and “burning” all fire would make more sense then this mixed bag. Nightblades are already pure magic damage.
Necromancers are already perfect elementals. Sorcerers get the title of lightning with their most used powers being magic damage it’s easy to fix charged fragments and just like that it’s shock damage. The class also need more AoEs seeing as Lightning Staff’s 8% is only to AoEs it’s off putting that Sorcerers can get more from fire staves then lightning staves.
Warden would be able to focus on ice damage once again mixed damage types makes it hard to focus your class to it’s full power. Pure damage types open up so many paths for all classes.

I haven't played necromancers. How does the class use all elements? All i see is just skeleton

ealdwin

Berchelous wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I feel like the classes all need an update for their damages types. It would be very easy to do.

Dragonknights Magic = Fire / Stamina = Poison

Necromancer Magic = All Elements / Stamina = Disease

Nightblade Magic = Magic / Stamina = Disease

Sorcerer Magic = Lightning / Stamina = Physical

Templar Magic = Fire / Stamina = Physical

Warden Magic = Ice / Stamina = Poison

It would be a nice balance for the stamina classes and magic classes would all get a speciality that fits there classes Dragonknight are well dragons so fire they are mostly there. Templars have such a heavy focus on the sun and “burning” all fire would make more sense then this mixed bag. Nightblades are already pure magic damage.
Necromancers are already perfect elementals. Sorcerers get the title of lightning with their most used powers being magic damage it’s easy to fix charged fragments and just like that it’s shock damage. The class also need more AoEs seeing as Lightning Staff’s 8% is only to AoEs it’s off putting that Sorcerers can get more from fire staves then lightning staves.
Warden would be able to focus on ice damage once again mixed damage types makes it hard to focus your class to it’s full power. Pure damage types open up so many paths for all classes.

I haven't played necromancers. How does the class use all elements? All i see is just skeleton

Their primary damage skill line Grave Lord uses each type of elemental damage:

Frozen Colossus = Frost
Flame Skull = Flame
Blastbones = Flame
Unnerving Boneyard = Frost
Skeletal Mage = Shock
Shocking Siphon = Shock